Actually, you know what? You sound like some broke dick nigga. What the fuck is the problem drug testing people that government assistance? Shouldnt these people be actively seeking jobs? Who the fuck is looking for a job if they are high??

Right it is a two part deal. If we help them help themselves they will have a better life and break the chain. Tough love bitches. Sink or swim. If we do that we help ourselves because our country is stronger and safer. Everyone wins, but when us tax payers want to get tough, we just labeled as racist. The democratic party is the biggest problem of all because they pander to these people for votes.

They do that now even on govt programs. Because they are junkies and have $100 a day habbits.

Let them go rob and steal, they will either get shot and be killed or caught and end up in jail. We need a generation of cleansing, we need to give everyone two things:

the tools and help to succeed and
the rope to hang themselves.

It needs to be one or the other. We can't keep giving people hand outs with no accountability or responsibility. If we don't fix this problem that people stealing from you today will father 10 kids and in 15 years these will be 15 more people stealing from you.

data is extremely relevant and only an ignorant thinks otherwise. Political correctness shouldn't overcloud knowledge and common sense...

I do have a right to say it, and sure, there might be some consequences, but calling people racist names isn't a hate crime. maybe trespassing if you don't leave when they ask, but hey, I don't need to prove it and you're not a lawyer or a LEO.

but you are right, you have 100% right to pump out a kid that will be born into poverty and squalor and never have a fighting chance since "THE MAN" is keeping his family down. hell, who cares about what future the kid might have as long as the parent has the right to reproduce. they want to have another kid they can't afford on their own and you better believe they are gonna have it and its not anyone's business they are on public assistance!!! (great mentality)

hell, you need more gov't oversight to have a dog than a kid.

This is probably best for another topic but aren't there religions that insist you "reproduce and multiply" no matter what? That you don't use any forms of birth control, etc...

And they arent now?

I suppose some are. But trying to drug test people on assistance is like trying to put winos into AA. It ain't gonna ever work.

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Even if the mixed people WERE labeled as black, that would just mean blacks are more like 10% of the pop instead of 12%.. what is your big point?

I agree with you there.

I agree. FUCK poor people. They are just lazy right? I mean, fucking drug taking layabouts getting high OFF MY FUCKING TAX MONEY!

GAS THEM ALL. AND THEN SHOOT THEM. AND RAPE THEIR CATS.

and many of those also say "no sex outside marriage" which is funny when single mom's claim to keep the baby due to religious mores but seem to of forgotten that one...

This is why I hate conversations on this topic, it always comes down to 'fuck those lazy bastards' when most of the people on welfare are actually trying. There are no jobs right now, this shit is not going to get better and meanwhile people need to fucking eat.

As mentioned above, there are many more that DON'T do the shit you suggest.

Only if white rap was more popular...

Thank you. This conversation always goes this direction and it's fucking pathetic. Both sides agree on 'fuck the poor people' for some reason or another.

and some are lazy bastards that do sit around and get checks and spend it at the bar.. I know one personally.

Doesn't spending money at the bar also help the economy? Why do you care what they spend it on? As long as they are spending it in the US, what difference does it make to you if they're eating Top Ramen or drinking beer with it? Get off your high horse and stop trying to micromanage the lives of people you have no control over anyway.

So fucking what? What do you propose, a tracking device? Some people are going to abuse anything out there, it does not mean that it shouldn't exist or that you should try to impose ridiculous rules on everyone. No kids? What a fucking joke. Why don't we just kill them while we're at it?

Poor people are often treated like the enemy but they are vital to our economy. Hilariously enough, ultra rich people are not. What is is now, 1.4 trillion dollars controlled by the richest 400 families?

Yes, it is basic economics: If you subsidize something you get more of it.

My point is that you and everyone else who thinks you can "prove" something
worth while with these stats are a bunch of fucking idiots wallowing in your
insecurity and thus looking for some measure to uplift yourself and you find it in
a collective race evaluation.

The problem with these types of discussions is that the ignorant are often too
ignorant to understand their own ignorance. Which produces circular arguments
that never end.

The only people who ever post these stats are people who have "issues" with race
or have issues with someone else who has issues with race.

I can't imagine the kind of stupidity that would cause me to go to the library or
surf the net endlessly looking for that one set of statistics that makes White
people look like shit and then running to post it on GFY as if it will achieve some
kind of "racial victory".

Pardon me for not engaging in such meaningless bullshit for my "racial pride".

My pride rest in the fact that I don't need to cling to my racial group
for self assurance and esteem.

I don't "feel out of place" just because I'm the only negro in the room.
I feel just fine, because I have the ability to make my ass fit in the room and
don't need 10 bro's behind me to lean on for support.

If I picked one thing that I am most sick off it would be people who need to
"prop themselves up" with their race.

If all you have "going for you" is your race, then you don't really have shit at all.

Pffffffffff!

I changed my mind, I like you. I do want to point out that I am quick to pull up these statistics when this argument arises because I am a fan of facts. It irritates me to no end when people get pissed off by facts. A higher percentage of black people are on welfare, so fucking what? It's just a simple, verifiable fact. Nothing more. I am aware that racists use these facts to justify their stupidity, I just don't care.

You all need a drink now!

Thanks bro.

I'm a very easy person to like when I'm not hiding behind my keyboard warrior bunker. :1orglaugh

its annoying when you see people with master's degrees sitting around doing jack shit all day and not trying to get a job. and i won't get off my high horse on this one b/c even when I was eligible for unemployment i still didn't take it.

but yeah, you're right, they are helping the economy 1 drink at a time

Same here.... never once took a single unemployment check in my life. (but because it seemed like too much effort to get one, not because I was morally opposed to it or anything...)

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Oh dear fucking God. Are you claiming that people would rather get a pittance of a check from welfare than work? People are sitting around because there aren't enough fucking jobs out there, I don't really care what they do with their money after it's theirs.

Not at all. There is always going to be poor people and there is always going to be rich people, and people in the middle.

Not all poor people are lazy, some are hard blue collar workers, some are not that smart or have mental problems or handicap, some are drug users and can't hold a job down, some are lazy. There are all different types of poor people.

The problem I have is the poor people who are non skilled and make min wage or don't work at all, but yet they want to have a bunch of kids they can not afford.

I am all for throwing out the support needed to help poor people make their way up to middle class or even succeed beyond that. Provide them with the education, tools, and jobs and drug programs. Make them earn every penny they get from the govt. However, some people will never succeed no matter how much you try to help them. those people need to be cut off from govt tax dollars.

I agree and disagree at the same time.

You're right, there are all kinds of poor people, just like any other group of people. And yes, some are unskilled and have no experience at anything.... but no one is providing them with "tools", education or jobs and no one is ever going to. And those are the ones you want to cut off? People with college degrees can't get jobs right now... how do you expect an uneducated, inexperienced poor person to get one?

Oh right... after we round up all the Mexicans in Arizona there will be plenty of mindless minimum wage hard-labor jobs available for them. I'm sure the poor will jump all over that opportunity.

How many poor people have you hired this year?

easy... before you go to pick up your check you have to have current drug test on file. If you don't you don't get paid until you piss in the cup. If that bothers you then hey go get a fucking job and don't take the govt's money.

there are jobs out there if you aren't holding out for another $80k a year job. some people think they are too good to do an honest day of hard work.

LOL, I passed piss tests serving on active military duty... do you really believe people getting assistance aren't capable of defeating a piss test? :1orglaugh

This isn't fantasy world. This is reality. Drug tests cost a lot of money. The most likely reason they don't do them already is because it's a waste of money. People getting free money will beat the piss test every time.

Is there some free job factory I don't know about? There aren't enough jobs, you can't just let everyone 'go get one'. As far as cutting off drug users, what the fuck? :1orglaugh They are going to cost you money no matter what, boot them from one system and they'll go to another (rehabilitation, jail) and cost you even more money. Some shit you just have to deal with, a certain percentage of people being fuck ups is one of them.

Do you actually look into any of the subjects that piss you off because you are dead ass fucking wrong. There is a huge deficit on ALL jobs right now, people around here would be happy with $8 - $10 an hour but there aren't enough companies hiring. This is fucking ridiculous.

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So they are having the kids for religious reasons? M daughter workers for DCFS, I will have to ask her how many people have told her that.

Well, I hate to say it...but I managed to understand exactly what he was saying. Because it is common fucking sense along with fact. He worded it properly and I'm sure I'm not the only one who understood what he was saying.

You have a daughter? I would have much preferred if the government had banned you from having kids because you contribute to the delinquency of America.

See how God damned fucking retarded that is?

why do i argue with people on here about politics. such a fucking waste of time. I'm out.

It's a fair question. You are the one that thinks the poor should straighten up, get educated, get a job, take government drug tests.... so how many have you hired or helped educate?

Studies show that 42% of all statistics are just randomly made up on the spot. But only 23% of people know this 75% of the time.

i was at the mcdonalds drive thru, they are hiring.

but that doesn't count, does it

oh, and all the job postings on craigslist and monster, they are all bs too right?

i just got my brother a programming job so he could quit the last job he had so there is an opening there too.

people who stay on the dole see no motivation to get off. get a fucking hustle, plan and simple, sell shit on ebay, take a crappy job, do something besides get a handout. and while you are on welfare DON'T HAVE ANY MORE FUCKING KIDS