well gays are hated by most christian factions

Are you still married to your Christian wife or did you two separate?

allahu akbar

Let me guess... Read Dawkins much? Perhaps Bertrand?

:winkwink:

People want to be able to pick and choose what to take literally, what to take seriously, etc. It just doesn't work that way.

Sure, they just have one less thing to blame it on. At least you'll never hear them say "God told me to do it."

But they might still blame it on the voices in their head:1orglaugh

Crazy is crazy no matter what label you put on it. :2 cents:

In arguments relating to religion, there are 2 different kinds of hacks...

Hack #1 believes that the bible is the true word of god and condemns anyone that doesn't believe it, and of course gives you the usual "if you do ::insert sinful activity here::, or don't believe in god/Jesus/etc. you are going to hell" argument.

Hack #2 believes the bible is a fairy tale, and goes to any length to let the believers know that. They give you the usual "invisible man in the clouds" argument, and call anyone that believes in the bible a sheep.

I think we need more of a new hack, hack #3, that may or may not believe the bible is real, but they don't give a rat's ass what anyone else believes. For those of you that are slow, hack #3 may believe the bible is the true world of god, or he may believe it is bullshit, but he keeps it to himself either way, because forcing his opinion on others is the true bullshit.

For a very long time I was hack #2, but then I realized if believing in religion gets you through the day, and you keep it to your fucking self, then more power to you...

If only hack #1 didn't impose his/her beliefs on all of the other hacks then your philosophy would work. Hack #2 exists because hack #1 can't keep his fucking yap shut and stop passing legislation that tells all of the other hacks how to live their lives.

Let's be completely honest here, hack #2 would still exist even if hack #1 kept their beliefs to themselves. If someone believes in something then there will always be another person to tell them they are an idiot, a sheep, delusional, etc. Hack #2 is just way more vocal because hack #1 can't keep their opinions to themselves.

Either way, I'm fucking sick of both of them. If you believe in god I don't think you are a bad person, so long as you don't judge me because I don't believe. You can tell me you believe in the Great Pumpkin, and as long as you don't try and shove it down my throat I won't give you shit. When you are brought up in a certain religion it is damn hard to change your views, because it is all you know...

Wooooooooooow

Both, I love the Christian / Atheist debate, I just dislike the idiots who think that watching a youtube video gives them enough knowledge to argue for either side.

Yeah I was just teasing you, your teapot analogy was Bertrand's and I came across it first in Dawkin's "The God Delusion" which is a fascinating read.

I usually stay out of these conversations. I have studied world religions for many years and was indoctrinated in one for close to 20.

Anyone who even has the slightest grasp of human history and religion should KNOW that all religions are an assimilation of a prior one. Most theologians will readily admit that most of what you read in the bible is mostly allegory. Personal Stories, Fictional Parables, Historical Accounts, etc. that someone one day said, "I am going to put these things together and call it a holy book. Let's start a bigger, better religion!" Hell, some of the books in the bible where written centuries apart and after Christ died and at the time almost no one even KNEW about what eventually became the old testament.

Let us also not over look the fact that almost all of the original writing was in Sanskrit and copied over and over again. Then people started converting it from one language to the next. Even to this day there are still incorrect translations that most people are unaware of when they sit in their pew and read from the book.

The funniest part for me is that all christian holidays are pagan in origin.

Anyways, trying to have a conversation with uneducated people is like trying to teach a 5 year old on the principles of quantum physics. They just don't understand what the hell you're talking about.

Dawkins is one of my favourite writers, I love his full on approach to dealing with religions and always find it amusing when someone tries to argue the point of how he preaches his word as opposed to what he actually says. Though the argument of proving Religion is kind of stale within the present era, there's really nothing to argue past the burden of proof.

I was waiting for a devoted Christian to post why monkeys still exist if we evolved from them.:1orglaugh

I think you'll find that few atheists have a problem with people like Jay Bakker.

The problem with religion are the people who try to force it into the classroom, into politics, etc. If nobody speaks out against them, theirs will be the only voice that is heard.

And no, discussion does not imply forcing your opinion on others. If someone tells you that Rick Astley is the best musician in human history, is he forcing you to become a Rick Astley fan? If someone tells you Coke tastes better than Pepsi, is he forcing you to start buying Coke instead of Pepsi?

I think this might go to 30 or 40 pages.....

It's masterful marketing. Create a need (avoid sin), and under that large tent over there you will find solace and a community of like minded individuals.

The bible belongs in the fucking toilet, along with the koran, the book of Mormon, and all the other ridiculous intolerant pieces of shit holy books.

You have the best fucking avatar on GFY! Who is that chick?

Damnnnnnnn......... nicely put. I usually trash on the bible and Christians but there may be something to it after all. :thumbsup

And yet you seem to stand for the same things they stand for. Hmmmm! I don't believe you.

You got me. I confess. I cykoe6 do hereby fucking accept Jesus H Fucking Christ as my personal Lord and fucking Savior. Now where are my fucking 72 virgins?!?!? :mad:

So you are a wing nut and a pedo too now, eh?

What's this got to do with the fact that you like cock slapped over your chin??

people can and have been fanatical about everything and anything. ending religion will not cure human nature and end war and suffering. people with obsessive hate about religion are mirror images of religious extremists. who cares.

eziekel 12:35 - "And the lord passed down these words unto thee and proclaimed 'take this however ya want dude, I don't give a fuck.' "

I wouldnt give a shit if what they believed didnt affect me in any way. Problem is, thats not how life works.

People knocking on my door to tell me about their Mormon shit is one example. Religious fanatics killing others and causing me to have have to take off my shoes in airport security is another. You cant say that what others believe has no affect on you, because it does. And thats why you should give a shit.

Case in point.

Ban time.