Originally Posted by madawgz (Post 16459444)

just means more traffic will flow back into torrent and warez sites...

Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 16460271)

Yep. Obviously the idiots in charge of the mainstream media companies still don't get it. they are going to be shocked at how few people actually are going to pay for a subscription. All the people they've manage to convince to stop using torrents adn go to sites like Hulu wil go right back to them. As long as these companies continue to over estiamte the value of thier content they are going to have major issues with piracy. these companies are going to have to learn that thie movies, tv shows and music just aren't going to have a good ROI as they used to in the past and they need to learn to accept less or they'll have to accept NOTHING.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 16460544)

What I think ultimately could happen is we see the death of the huge budget blockbuster. They will stop making big action movies or movies that need a lot of special effects if they can't make their money back on them. We will still have movies, the will just be smaller, lower budget things that don't need to do a huge amount of business to make a profit.

Originally Posted by sharphead (Post 16460745)

There you go.... just a matter of time before YouTube turns into a subscription service.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 16460544)

What I think ultimately could happen is we see the death of the huge budget blockbuster. They will stop making big action movies or movies that need a lot of special effects if they can't make their money back on them. We will still have movies, the will just be smaller, lower budget things that don't need to do a huge amount of business to make a profit.

Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 16461042)

And ironically the idiots that pirate movies will be the first one's complaining about the lack of blockbuster movies even though they are the very reason for their extinction.

I know copyright laws are fucked up. I mean no reason anyone should have 95 year copyrights. They were never meant to last that long. That's just one example. Doesn't justify stealing movies, music etc. If the pirates spent as much time and effort on organizing and lobbying Congress for REAL and FAIR copyright reform as they do in pirating shit, maybe something would actually get done.

Originally Posted by EscortBiz (Post 16457331)

newspaper charging online wont work hulu charging wont work either, yeah some people will pay but nothing to write home about, just them announcing they will start charging will have people stop going there today, surfers have been spoiled rotten and as long as youtube and 1000 other places have everything for free it will be hard for them to make money. Porn sites operate with 0.1% of the staff these guys do, we spend a penny for every 100 dollars they spend on production,

unless strict laws are passed related to content theft and sharing, the movie, music and software industry will continue to get destroyed beyond recognition

the old fucks in washington dont understand this shit, they dont understand 100+ billion dollars a year being stolen from the music, software and movie industry, they dont understand that its destroying entire companies and families, and like everything else the solutions and hearings only come after complete destruction

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 16457371)

Actually, it was not the consumer who shifted. It was desperate business owners, and I use that term loosely.

Online shitheads started to realize the more 'free' the more traffic. The more traffic the more sales. The more traffic and sales the more you could charge for advertising, or glorified spots (TGP) and then you bragged about it.

So then you started a flock of sheep all doing the same thing. Trying to copy what you were doing. They did not take any classes, or read any books. They just tried to copy what you were doing. Stealing your meta tags, and pages, or layouts, and what you did.

They have some success, or not as much, so they give away more free. Instead of 10-15 sec videos, they must be 30-60-120 seconds. Instead of 12 pictures they were 15, then 16, then 20. More free meant more members, more visitors, more money.

Then, in no time, you have 10,000 sheep trying to do the traffic and numbers game until it does not work anymore. Along come the tubes and then start out with the 30 seconds, then a minute ,then 3, then 5, then 20. Repeat the same process all over again.

New business model. People making money hand over fist. Mass traffic. 10,000 sheep trying to copy cat that with same site, same sponsors, same content, same techniques. Not as successful, ok, so more content, longer freebies, and so on...

The fact has always been most people do not KNOW HOW TO SELL!

They have managed for a decade to play the traffic, free and numbers game. But when it stopped working a year or two ago. They threw more and more traffic at the wall, and less was sticking. Because that is not a sales process. That is called crossing your toes and hoping to get lucky.

Those who know how to sell will survive this storm. Those who do not, will not. Paying for what you use is a business model. Giving away everything for free is not. Which is what most corporations are now finding.

Desperation and greed for traffic and hope of sales is what opened this up. But big business is starting to realize, just as most in adult should, you are not after volume. You are after SALES, conversions, customers (unless you are in the traffic game).

:2 cents: