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Bastian · 12-07-2002, 10:44 AM

Is Universal Pass a true free avs? Also, has anyone had any problems with sexyavs, xxxpassport.com or freenetpass? I'm thinking of using one of them, but can't decide which to try.

GoGoBar · 12-07-2002, 11:04 AM

Free Net Pass isn't bad, I've never used the other two.

If you want a good free avs to use tho go with Free Age Card. $25/join and $20/recurring on free signups, and their ratios are as good as the others, I've used several. You can't beat recurring on free joins

I know everone recommends things so you'll use their referral code, and I'm gonna put mine, but I'll also link without it, it's your call as this is a real recommendation not just a shot to get some people under me

Sign up with me as a referral

Or just visit http://www.freeagecard.com

Your call, but I'd of course appreciate the credit

JackFoley · 12-07-2002, 11:06 AM

I don't think there are any true free AVS programs, they all upsell to something.

Shooter · 12-07-2002, 11:09 AM

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Originally posted by JackFoley
I don't think there are any true free AVS programs, they all upsell to something.

Well, sort of....

True free AVSs (Free Net Pass, Sex Key, etc.) - Surfer's membership to the AVS is free, and the trial to the paysite is free. So it really is free.

Fake free AVSs (Free Age Card, Adult Port, etc.) - Surfer's membership to the AVS is free, but they have to buy a month to the paysite

So in scenario A it really is free to the surfer if they cancel the paysite membership

gleem · 12-07-2002, 11:11 AM

Agreed, Freeagecard does the best for my traffic, makes more per click when you add in the rebills. But Freeagecard is not a true "free" avs since they charge for 1 month access to a porn site when the surfer signs up.

As far as which ones you will/will not have problems with, 99% of the time you will have problems with any AVS you use, just which one will hassle you the least to make you money.

Universal Pass, and freenetpass are "true" free avs's, xxxpassport is not, they bill one month on another pornsite when the surfer gets his free xxxpassport id.

On the truely free AVS's, SexKey is offering $20 a free signup this month, maybe the way to go while that offer stands.

GoGoBar · 12-07-2002, 11:16 AM

That $5 sexkey bonus is exactly why we're NOT promoting them anymore. And if you're watching Hank you know why

Bastian · 12-07-2002, 11:27 AM

What do you mean about the bonus? Why would that stop you from promotong them? I don't understand.

GoGoBar · 12-07-2002, 11:35 AM

The $5 bonus hank is offer is becuase he is pushing TWO paysites on surfers when they signup for sexkey, his normal site of his own and a personals site.

I own a moderately sized adult personals site which I have run and grown over the past two years or so. I have sent Hank a lot of signups in the past (hundreds of thousands of dollars worth).

Now he's taking MY traffic and selling signups to one of my competitors with it. In my opinion this is not right. He's in the AVS business, not the adult personals business.

People get greedy for a few extra dollars and it always turns bad.

JackFoley · 12-07-2002, 11:40 AM

I don't see the difference between that and selling a $40/month porn site membership on the AVS signup page... 99% of AVS webmasters are trying to upsell to their own sites/sponsors, so that's competition for them as well.

Personally, Sexkey is the only free AVS I've had success with in the past.

GoGoBar · 12-07-2002, 11:44 AM

First, he's selling BOTH to surfers (of course the one is optional but checked by default).

Second, I've had a good relationship with him for some time and he knows what I do. For him to go around me like that is just not right to me. I wouldn't do it to him. Him doing that is like me putting up 100 sexkey sites and then promoting other free avs's in the content areas. His traffic from his links page would be going to the content areas and I'd be selling them to his competition. It's just not right

If it was someone I had barely dealt with and didn't know or care what I did who did that I really wouldn't care. But like I said, we've sent him a lot of traffic and sales and he knows what we do.

gleem · 12-07-2002, 11:58 AM

So, I run a hardcore, asian, teen paysites, but I aint bitchin cause an AVS runs an ad for a paysite in my niches in their middle page ads.
You know what, my feeders to my paysites still sell despite the fact!

Running an adult personals site isn't a unique thing anymore, now if he copied your site, that would be another story. If you have a good pitch and product, it shouldn't affect your bottom line, especially if you sending him alot of sales.

GoGoBar · 12-07-2002, 12:14 PM

It's not effecting sales at all as my site has nothing to do with my avs sites. It's a personal thing

Some of us do business with people becuase we like dealing with them and we trust them and we try to form good realtionships with people. Some people do business trying to squeeze out every dime they can as quick as they can. Some of us are in this business with long term goals and realtionships in mind and some people are around for the quick buck.

I was asked what the reason was, I gave an honset answer, if you don't like the reason get on with your life as it has no personal bearing on you

Sometimes I wonder why people take my decisions so personally when it has no effect on them.

Bastian · 12-07-2002, 12:59 PM

I don't mind the discussion. But if anyone else has any thoughts on the original topic I posted I'd appreciate it.

Troels · 12-07-2002, 01:07 PM

http://www.keyshield.com/ is free for the surfer.

TeraBabes · 12-07-2002, 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by GoGoBar
That $5 sexkey bonus is exactly why we're NOT promoting them anymore. And if you're watching Hank you know why

I understand your reasons now (after reading the rest of your posts), but this original statement seemed to imply this was more than a "personal" decision... it seemed to be a business decision and a warning to other webmasters.

Maybe the $5 bonus isn't good for you, but it's more money in my pocket, that's for sure.

TeraBabes · 12-07-2002, 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by Bastian
I don't mind the discussion. But if anyone else has any thoughts on the original topic I posted I'd appreciate it.

Personally, I've had more success with the truly free AVS's than I have with the others. Ratios are meaningless... just look at how much money you take home at the end of the day. Try a few out and see how you do.

With SK's $5 bonus this month, I CAN'T use anyone else. Sure, FAC (for example) pays more per signup, but conversions (for me) are much, MUCH worse.

GoGoBar · 12-07-2002, 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by TeraBabes

I understand your reasons now (after reading the rest of your posts), but this original statement seemed to imply this was more than a "personal" decision... it seemed to be a business decision and a warning to other webmasters.

Maybe the $5 bonus isn't good for you, but it's more money in my pocket, that's for sure.

Not at all, I have no problem with anyone else using sexkey. Hank's a good guy at heart and his conversions are pretty good, he just got a little greedy and I'm not sending my traffic to my competition for his profit.

However, on the original topic, we do make more per click with freeagecard than sexkey

TeraBabes · 12-07-2002, 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by GoGoBar

However, on the original topic, we do make more per click with freeagecard than sexkey

Per click to the AVS application? That's a useless stat, IMO. Figure out how much you make per unique visitor (to the page when you are asking them to verify their age), and get back to me.

If it's still more with FAC, more power to ya!

baddog · 12-07-2002, 01:55 PM

If you are only promoting one AVS you are doing yourself a great disservice. Create entrances from all of them, and increase your income potential by as many times as the number of AVS's you use.

I would suggest including AdultLogin in the mix, feel free to use the link in my sig.

sexyavs · 12-07-2002, 02:23 PM

SexyAvs has been paying $20.00 a free signup for almost a year.

Surfer is charged $0.00 at signup.

Try it and submit a site, we offer 6 different tours and matching join forms to each tour (I dont believe any other AVS does). Our stats are second to none.

Icq me if you need any help or have any questions.
11403900

Honestly, you should create a site and submit it to 20 different avs's and see what your stats look like.

I would use them all

Chris
http://sexyavs.com
http://nakedpass.com

GoGoBar · 12-07-2002, 02:48 PM

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Originally posted by TeraBabes

Per click to the AVS application? That's a useless stat, IMO. Figure out how much you make per unique visitor (to the page when you are asking them to verify their age), and get back to me.

If it's still more with FAC, more power to ya!

By per click I meant per click to the site not per click to the avs join form. Sorry, I should have said per visitor

baddog · 12-07-2002, 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by sexyavs
Try it and submit a site, we offer 6 different tours and matching join forms to each tour (I dont believe any other AVS does).

better check out the competition, we have 20+ catcher sites, and join boxes for many niches. We also allow you to make your own join box, or link straight to Jettis. Your choice.

TeraBabes · 12-07-2002, 03:09 PM

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Originally posted by GoGoBar

By per click I meant per click to the site not per click to the avs join form. Sorry, I should have said per visitor

Per click to what site? Your main site that uses the AVS?

What it all comes down to is $$. Figure out your $/day, divide by #uniques, and viola, you've got your winner.

TeraBabes · 12-07-2002, 03:11 PM

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Originally posted by sexyavs
.... Our stats are second to none....

Your stats are pretty nice. I'll give you that

But at least for me (via limited testing), they conversions weren't as good as some of your competition's... ie, SK, FNP.

playa · 12-07-2002, 03:14 PM

sexkey deleted my link list,,
said i was spamming and wasn't sending enough sign ups,, blah

baddog · 12-07-2002, 03:20 PM

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Originally posted by playa
wasn't sending enough sign ups,, blah

I am sorry, but I willl never understand that logic. Who cares how many signups you are sending? As long as you are providing content for the other members. . . . . while signups are nice for sure, I am not going to delete content for those that are members just because someone has no marketing skills (not implying anything playa

)

GoGoBar · 12-07-2002, 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by TeraBabes

Per click to what site? Your main site that uses the AVS?

What it all comes down to is $$. Figure out your $/day, divide by #uniques, and viola, you've got your winner.

Yes, this is why I said I do better with FAC than with sexkey, why do you have such a problem with that?

sexyavs · 12-07-2002, 03:37 PM

I mean totally seperate tours, not different join boxes etc.. These are all designed to match the join box of your choice.. They are very nice

Our conversions are awesome and we put a lot of traffic into our link list, even more lately..

At 20.00 per, the competition would have to convert over 35% better.

Like I said.. I would use them all , we pay , have paid and continue to pay.

How much time does it take to create an extra doorway?
5 minutes?

Chris

<IMX> · 12-07-2002, 03:40 PM

You need webmasters to sell passes, not just leech traffic. But it really doesn't make since to delist the sites, just push them to the bottom of the tier.

TeraBabes · 12-07-2002, 04:06 PM

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Originally posted by GoGoBar

Yes, this is why I said I do better with FAC than with sexkey, why do you have such a problem with that?

I have no problem with that at all - was just having trouble following what you were saying. And as I said, "More power to you." That's just not the case for me.

Sounds like you should have switched to FAC long ago...

gleem · 12-07-2002, 04:24 PM

TeraBabes, to figure out your true conversion rate, join page ratios are useless, but you also have to consider that if the join page ratio isn't 1:100 or better depending on the traffic, then the join page isn't doing it's job.

If you don't know your front page hits to join ratio, all your work is meaningless cause you will never truly know which AVS you make the most money with.

The kicker is if 1 AVS gives you a 8 cent per click value, and the other gives you 5 cents a click, you need to average in the per click value from the members section to spsonors too! This can make all the difference in the world.

TeraBabes · 12-07-2002, 05:01 PM

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Originally posted by gleem
TeraBabes, to figure out your true conversion rate, join page ratios are useless, but you also have to consider that if the join page ratio isn't 1:100 or better depending on the traffic, then the join page isn't doing it's job.

If you don't know your front page hits to join ratio, all your work is meaningless cause you will never truly know which AVS you make the most money with.

The kicker is if 1 AVS gives you a 8 cent per click value, and the other gives you 5 cents a click, you need to average in the per click value from the members section to spsonors too! This can make all the difference in the world.

This argument makes sense, but I can't see how this would be better than just looking at the bottom line.

If for every x number of visitors you make $10 with AVS #1 and only $5 with AVS #2... well, despite differences in each system's click counting, payout per join, etc., obviously you should go with #1.

gleem · 12-07-2002, 05:25 PM

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Originally posted by TeraBabes

This argument makes sense, but I can't see how this would be better than just looking at the bottom line.

If for every x number of visitors you make $10 with AVS #1 and only $5 with AVS #2... well, despite differences in each system's click counting, payout per join, etc., obviously you should go with #1.

My point is that using click out counters, you may get 10 cent perclick going to AVS#1 and 5cents a click to AVS #B and your sending traffic to these sites yourself, obviously you go with AVS #1.

But if you are building feeders for AVS#1 & #2 it gets more complicated cause then you are dealing with alot of the AVS's internal linklist traffic and sales.

I don't know, I guess you jus need to be tracking you clicks out and not trusting anyone elses stats.

TeraBabes · 12-07-2002, 06:20 PM

Absolutely.

12-07-2002, 11:06 AM	#3
JackFoley Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Pac-land Posts: 858	I don't think there are any true free AVS programs, they all upsell to something. __________________ SUBMIT \| TRADE \| CONTACT

12-07-2002, 11:11 AM	#5
gleem Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sunny Land Posts: 5,593	Agreed, Freeagecard does the best for my traffic, makes more per click when you add in the rebills. But Freeagecard is not a true "free" avs since they charge for 1 month access to a porn site when the surfer signs up. As far as which ones you will/will not have problems with, 99% of the time you will have problems with any AVS you use, just which one will hassle you the least to make you money. Universal Pass, and freenetpass are "true" free avs's, xxxpassport is not, they bill one month on another pornsite when the surfer gets his free xxxpassport id. On the truely free AVS's, SexKey is offering $20 a free signup this month, maybe the way to go while that offer stands. __________________ Contact me: \\// E: webmaster /at/ unprofessional.com

12-07-2002, 11:40 AM	#9
JackFoley Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Pac-land Posts: 858	I don't see the difference between that and selling a $40/month porn site membership on the AVS signup page... 99% of AVS webmasters are trying to upsell to their own sites/sponsors, so that's competition for them as well. Personally, Sexkey is the only free AVS I've had success with in the past. __________________ SUBMIT \| TRADE \| CONTACT

12-07-2002, 11:58 AM	#11
gleem Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sunny Land Posts: 5,593	So, I run a hardcore, asian, teen paysites, but I aint bitchin cause an AVS runs an ad for a paysite in my niches in their middle page ads. You know what, my feeders to my paysites still sell despite the fact! Running an adult personals site isn't a unique thing anymore, now if he copied your site, that would be another story. If you have a good pitch and product, it shouldn't affect your bottom line, especially if you sending him alot of sales. __________________ Contact me: \\// E: webmaster /at/ unprofessional.com

12-07-2002, 02:23 PM	#20
sexyavs Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 615	SexyAvs has been paying $20.00 a free signup for almost a year. Surfer is charged $0.00 at signup. Try it and submit a site, we offer 6 different tours and matching join forms to each tour (I dont believe any other AVS does). Our stats are second to none. Icq me if you need any help or have any questions. 11403900 Honestly, you should create a site and submit it to 20 different avs's and see what your stats look like. I would use them all Chris http://sexyavs.com http://nakedpass.com __________________ <br> <a href="http://www.sexypassport.com/webmaster/webmaster.php?siteid=752359">Join the Highest Paying FREE AVS. </a><br> <a href="http://nakedpass.com/webmaster/webmaster.php">Naked Pass New FREE Avs Also Pays $20.00 Per FREE Signup!! </a><br> Have you checked out <a href="http://makefuckingmoney.com">Make Fucking Money!</a> Get Paid on FREE Memberships!

12-07-2002, 10:44 AM	#1
Bastian Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 140	An AVS question Is Universal Pass a true free avs? Also, has anyone had any problems with sexyavs, xxxpassport.com or freenetpass? I'm thinking of using one of them, but can't decide which to try.

12-07-2002, 11:04 AM	#2
GoGoBar Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 1,439	Free Net Pass isn't bad, I've never used the other two. If you want a good free avs to use tho go with Free Age Card. $25/join and $20/recurring on free signups, and their ratios are as good as the others, I've used several. You can't beat recurring on free joins I know everone recommends things so you'll use their referral code, and I'm gonna put mine, but I'll also link without it, it's your call as this is a real recommendation not just a shot to get some people under me Sign up with me as a referral Or just visit http://www.freeagecard.com Your call, but I'd of course appreciate the credit

12-07-2002, 11:16 AM	#6
GoGoBar Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 1,439	That $5 sexkey bonus is exactly why we're NOT promoting them anymore. And if you're watching Hank you know why

12-07-2002, 11:27 AM	#7
Bastian Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 140	What do you mean about the bonus? Why would that stop you from promotong them? I don't understand.

12-07-2002, 11:35 AM	#8
GoGoBar Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 1,439	The $5 bonus hank is offer is becuase he is pushing TWO paysites on surfers when they signup for sexkey, his normal site of his own and a personals site. I own a moderately sized adult personals site which I have run and grown over the past two years or so. I have sent Hank a lot of signups in the past (hundreds of thousands of dollars worth). Now he's taking MY traffic and selling signups to one of my competitors with it. In my opinion this is not right. He's in the AVS business, not the adult personals business. People get greedy for a few extra dollars and it always turns bad.

12-07-2002, 11:44 AM	#10
GoGoBar Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 1,439	First, he's selling BOTH to surfers (of course the one is optional but checked by default). Second, I've had a good relationship with him for some time and he knows what I do. For him to go around me like that is just not right to me. I wouldn't do it to him. Him doing that is like me putting up 100 sexkey sites and then promoting other free avs's in the content areas. His traffic from his links page would be going to the content areas and I'd be selling them to his competition. It's just not right If it was someone I had barely dealt with and didn't know or care what I did who did that I really wouldn't care. But like I said, we've sent him a lot of traffic and sales and he knows what we do.

12-07-2002, 12:14 PM	#12
GoGoBar Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 1,439	It's not effecting sales at all as my site has nothing to do with my avs sites. It's a personal thing Some of us do business with people becuase we like dealing with them and we trust them and we try to form good realtionships with people. Some people do business trying to squeeze out every dime they can as quick as they can. Some of us are in this business with long term goals and realtionships in mind and some people are around for the quick buck. I was asked what the reason was, I gave an honset answer, if you don't like the reason get on with your life as it has no personal bearing on you Sometimes I wonder why people take my decisions so personally when it has no effect on them.

12-07-2002, 12:59 PM	#13
Bastian Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 140	I don't mind the discussion. But if anyone else has any thoughts on the original topic I posted I'd appreciate it.

12-07-2002, 01:07 PM	#14
Troels Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Between the clouds Posts: 1,035	http://www.keyshield.com/ is free for the surfer.

12-07-2002, 01:55 PM	#19
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	If you are only promoting one AVS you are doing yourself a great disservice. Create entrances from all of them, and increase your income potential by as many times as the number of AVS's you use. I would suggest including AdultLogin in the mix, feel free to use the link in my sig.

12-07-2002, 03:14 PM	#25
playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	sexkey deleted my link list,, said i was spamming and wasn't sending enough sign ups,, blah

12-07-2002, 03:37 PM	#28
sexyavs Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 615	I mean totally seperate tours, not different join boxes etc.. These are all designed to match the join box of your choice.. They are very nice Our conversions are awesome and we put a lot of traffic into our link list, even more lately.. At 20.00 per, the competition would have to convert over 35% better. Like I said.. I would use them all , we pay , have paid and continue to pay. How much time does it take to create an extra doorway? 5 minutes? Chris __________________ <br> <a href="http://www.sexypassport.com/webmaster/webmaster.php?siteid=752359">Join the Highest Paying FREE AVS. </a><br> <a href="http://nakedpass.com/webmaster/webmaster.php">Naked Pass New FREE Avs Also Pays $20.00 Per FREE Signup!! </a><br> Have you checked out <a href="http://makefuckingmoney.com">Make Fucking Money!</a> Get Paid on FREE Memberships!

12-07-2002, 03:40 PM	#29
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12-07-2002, 04:24 PM	#31
gleem Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sunny Land Posts: 5,593	TeraBabes, to figure out your true conversion rate, join page ratios are useless, but you also have to consider that if the join page ratio isn't 1:100 or better depending on the traffic, then the join page isn't doing it's job. If you don't know your front page hits to join ratio, all your work is meaningless cause you will never truly know which AVS you make the most money with. The kicker is if 1 AVS gives you a 8 cent per click value, and the other gives you 5 cents a click, you need to average in the per click value from the members section to spsonors too! This can make all the difference in the world. __________________ Contact me: \\// E: webmaster /at/ unprofessional.com

12-07-2002, 06:20 PM	#34
TeraBabes Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Under Water Posts: 2,067	Absolutely. __________________ This place is too big.