Originally Posted by Rangermoore (Post 16160368)

Last year at this time I had to go to the hospital because of an injury I received in Iraq in 2004, I spent 11 days and when I got the bill I almost had to go back..$77,000 I just took the bill to the VA and it was paid. I hear people complain about the care at the VA but here in Vegas I have no issues with them. I see my doc's every 3 months and I get great care. Allot of times I have to go to NON VA docs for treatment and it's not problem. If the obama plan is like the VA coverage than with some tweaking it would be ok.... Just my 2 cents :2 cents:

Originally Posted by BCyber (Post 16160373)

I guess I have a hard time understanding why it costs $77,000 for 11 days in the hospital. I don't care what happened and what kind of machines they had to run you through that just sounds like way to much fucking money...let alone these million dollar bills I hear about.

Originally Posted by BCyber (Post 16151820)

What should I do about my bleeding eyeball right now????????????

Originally Posted by BCyber (Post 16151805)

I have no insurance since I'm off my parents last year. Last night I got smashed in the fuckin eye and my fuckin eyebaall or something is bleeding. What do I do?

Originally Posted by Sosa (Post 16160377)

pay for your own fucking insurance. I'm tired of my tax money going to other peoples bills.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 16161073)

I saw that later in this thread you said everything was okay now. But I wanted to say something about the original post here.

You asked "What do I do?"

Well, when I was 27 I would have went to the doctor and paid for it. Just like my dad did, just like my grandfather did when he was young, just like his father and on and on back through history.

I do have insurance now. But I'm going to be 48 years old in Nov. I never had any health insurance until I was 41 years old.

It's a calculated risk...but a pretty damn good one. The vast majority of young folks do not need health insurance. It's just a waste of your money and a good way for insurance companies to get rich.

Hell, I never knew anybody in their 20's who had their own health insurance when I was your age. Of course now employers are basically forced by the govt. to hand out health care. And as I understand the new healthcare plan being debated....EVERYONE will be forced to buy health insurance. No matter what your age.

Yeah, it'll be nice for the small percentage of younger people who may have a catastrophic car accident or disease. But for the vast majority it's just gonna be a bit of a money grab.

I have to say that IF they are gonna socialize medicine, I'd be more in favor of the "Single Payer" (the govt.) system. This new plan just seems to be another way to make more money for the medical industry and insurance companies to me.

Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 16153179)

Maybe because it is ..... ( oups ..... soory the rain on your party ).

1 JAPAN 82.1
2 SINGAPORE 81.9
3 CANADA 81.2
4 FRANCE 80.9
5 SWEDEN 80.7
6 SWITZERLAND 80.7
7 AUSTRALIA 80.7
8 ISRAEL 80.6
9 ICELAND 80.6
10 NEW ZEALAND 80.2
11 ITALY 80.1
12 MONACO 80
13 SPAIN 79.9
14 NORWAY 79.8
15 GREECE 79.5
16 AUSTRIA 79.4
17 MALTA 79.3
18 NETHERLANDS 79.3
19 LUXEMBOURG 79.2
20 GERMANY 79.1
21 BELGIUM 79.1
22 UNITED KINGDOM 78.9
23 FINLAND 78.8
24 JORDAN 78.7
25 BOSNIA/HERZEG 78.3
26 CYPRUS 78.2
27 UNITED STATES 78.1
28 DENMARK 78.1
29 IRELAND 78.1
30 PORTUGAL 78
31 ALBANIA 77.8
32 KUWAIT 77.5
33 SOUTH KOREA 77.4
34 COSTA RICA 77.4
35 CUBA 77.3
36 CHILE 77.2
37 LIBYA 77.1
38 ECUADOR 76.8
39 SLOVENIA 76.7
40 CZECH REP 76.6
41 ARGENTINA 76.5
42 GEORGIA 76.5
43 URUGUAY 76.1
44 SAUDI ARABIA 76.1
45 UNITED ARAB EMIRATES 75.9
46 MEXICO 75.8
47 PARAGUAY 75.6
48 TUNISIA 75.6
49 BRUNEI 75.5
50 POLAND 75.4
51 DOMINICA 75.3
52 SERBIA/MONTEN 75.3
53 SLOVAKIA 75.2
54 PANAMA 75.2
55 CROATIA 75.1
56 SRI LANKA 75
57 BAHRAIN 74.9
58 LITHUANIA 74.7
59 QATAR 74.4
60 SAINT VINCENT 74.3
61 SAINT LUCIA 74.3
62 OMAN 73.9
63 ALGERIA 73.8
64 MAURITIUS 73.8
65 JAMAICA 73.6
66 SURINAME 73.5
67 VENEZUELA 73.5
68 SOLOMON ISLANDS 73.4
69 LEBANON 73.4
70 DOMINICAN REP 73.4
71 BARBADOS 73.2
72 CHINA 73.2
73 HUNGARY 73.2
74 TURKEY 73.1
75 MALAYSIA 73
76 ST. KITTS 72.9
77 THAILAND 72.8
78 BULGARIA 72.8
79 ANTIGUA AND BARBUDA 72.7
80 SEYCHELLES 72.6
81 ESTONIA 72.6
82 COLOMBIA 72.5
83 BRAZIL 72.5
84 ARMENIA 72.4
85 NORTH KOREA 72.2
86 ROMANIA 72.2
87 EL SALVADOR 72.1
88 LATVIA 71.9
89 EGYPT 71.9
90 SAMOA 71.6
91 MOROCCO 71.5
92 VIET NAM 71.3
93 CAPE VERDE 71.3
94 NICARAGUA 71.2
95 PALAU 71
96 SYRIA 70.9
97 MARSHALL ISL 70.9
98 IRAN 70.9
99 PHILIPPINES 70.8
100 MICRONESIA 70.7
101 MOLDOVA 70.5
102 INDONESIA 70.5
103 TONGA 70.4
104 FIJI 70.4
105 PERU 70.4
106 BELARUS 70.3
107 GUATEMALA 70
108 IRAQ 69.6
109 HONDURAS 69.4
110 INDIA 69.3
111 KYRGYZSTAN 69.1
112 TUVALU 69
113 TURKMENISTAN 68.6
114 BELIZE 68.2
115 UKRAINE 68.1
116 SAO/TOME 68
117 KAZAKHSTAN 67.6
118 MONGOLIA 67.3
119 TRINIDAD/TOB 67
120 TIMOR-LESTE 66.9
121 BOLIVIA 66.5
122 GUYANA 66.4
123 AZERBAIJAN 66.3
124 NEW GUINEA 66
125 RUSSIA 65.9
126 BAHAMAS 65.7
127 GRENADA 65.6
128 BHUTAN 65.5
129 UZBEKISTAN 65.4
130 MALDIVES 65.1
131 TAJIKISTAN 65
132 PAKISTAN 64.1
133 NAURU 63.8
134 VANUATU 63.6
135 BANGLADESH 63.2
136 COMOROS 63.1
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138 KIRIBATI 62.9
139 MADAGASCAR 62.5
140 MYANMAR 62.5
141 COOK ISLANDS 62
142 CAMBODIA 61.7
143 EQUATORIAL GUINEA 61.2
144 NEPAL 60.9
145 NIUE 60.5
146 ERITREA 60.1
147 GHANA 59.5
148 TOGO 58.3
149 HAITI 57.6
150 SENEGAL 57.1
151 KENYA 56.6
152 LAOS 56.3
153 GAMBIA 55
154 CONGO 54
155 MAURITANIA 53.9
156 BENIN 53.9
157 REP OF CONGO 53.7
158 GABON 53.5
159 CAMEROON 53.3
160 BURKINA FASO 52.6
161 UGANDA 52.3
162 BURUNDI 51.7
163 TANZANIA 51.5
164 SUDAN 50.3
165 BOTSWANA 50.2
166 MALI 49.9
167 NAMIBIA 49.9
168 GUINEA 49.8
169 RWANDA 49.8
170 ETHIOPIA 49.4
171 SOMALIA 49.3
172 COTE D IVOIRE 49.2
173 NIGERIA 47.8
174 GUINEA/BISSAU 47.5
175 CHAD 47.4
176 NIGER 44.3
177 AFGHANISTAN 44.2
178 CENTRAL AFRICA 44
179 MALAWI 43.5
180 DJIBOUTI 43.3
181 SOUTH AFRICA 42.4
182 LIBERIA 41.1
183 MOZAMBIQUE 41
184 SIERRA LEONE 40.9
185 LESOTHO 40.2
186 ZIMBABWE 39.7
187 ZAMBIA 38.6
188 ANGOLA 37.9
189 SWAZILAND 32

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/sort.php

or from CIA stats ( number 30 )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ife_expectancy

So easy to repeat those talking points ... just like in 2003 ....

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 16153473)

Well they turned my friend down because he did not fulfill anougn of the requirements.

As for life extancy, these lists disagree with you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ife_expectancy

This one said it dropped this year.

http://geography.about.com/library/weekly/aa042000b.htm



Seems to me that people would not bother if they were going to get free health care, unless they have a house to lose. But the truth is they would not operate or treat him and Medicaid turned him down.