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Fletch XXX · 03-06-2009, 01:43 PM

great quote lol

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"We do not debate guns around here much anymore," said the Senate's no. 2 Democrat, Dick Durbin of Illinois, during debate on the D.C. gun amendment. "Basically, we reached a point where there are not many people who will stick their political necks out to vote for sensible gun control — too big a hassle."

lol

neb · 03-06-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum

To be fair Ill post the DJI chart for you, clearly you can see the carnage soon as it was clear Obama was clearly going to be President.

I have no proof to back this up or say it is bs either way. What I do know is that showing a graph that doesn't include the previous 8 years doesn't give the full picture. Therefore, just another example that taken in pieces, stats can say anything you want them too.

Additionally, anyone that puts the economy on one party over the other vs. pointing fingers at both parties for refusing to work together is either blind, too egotistically full of themselves to admit "their" party might be wrong or just ignorant. The pissing match that is politics is the culprit. In hindsight I wish Hillary was President so she could of whipped it out, shown them all who has the biggest cock and then they could of gotten something accomplished.

03-06-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

all the fucks on here saying oh obama this and obama that... must be lower income folks... cause im loosing my ass right now in the market... and it sucks.... Im better off pulling out cash and digging a hole in my backyard and putting it there....

Actually, like I do with my wife to avoid pregnancy, I "pulled out" the majority of my investments out about 8 months BEFORE Bush left, as I was seeing signs of a plummet. The signs of this freefall were more than apparent BEFORE Obama becoming president was even close to being a lock.

This is a case of a something being beat to death by one, buried by another, and everybody is blaming the undertaker. Seriously... Obama isn't sitting there making all of these decisions, just like Bush didn't make them all. There is a process to push things through, and last I checked, it takes some external votes to put these things into action.

Now isnt the time to bitch and moan. Now is the time to put aside every dime you can, make smart decisions with your finances and do your best to ride this out. It takes a lot more than 1 month to crash an economy.

Donfoolio · 03-06-2009, 02:05 PM

My only happiness in all this is that when things do pop off most of the spoon fed sheep minded morons posting lame conjecture unfounded idiotic opinions here will probably get eaten. You morons who believe this is one mans fault really need to STOP talking about Politics and leave that kind of talk to the MEN. You fucking idiots know NOTHING of what you speak, you just have fun entertaining your small petty minds with what you believe "might" be or "might" happen. You don't know because you understand NOTHING about humanity or even your PATHETIC SELVES! All this shit boils down to logic and common sense yet you all banter and shout about completely inane nonsense.

Congratulations you are 90% spoon fed fuck heads that were BRED to be this stupid and confused so that this takeover will be all the more EASY, Thank You!

mynameisjim · 03-06-2009, 02:15 PM

Even the most incompetent person on Earth couldn't screw things up this bad in 30 days.

This was over a decade in the making.

lol @ everyone who is blaming Obama. Look, Bush lost jobs throughout his ENTIRE FUCKING presidency. Do you think that had some effect on what is going on now?

There is plenty of blame to go around for all parties and politicians, not to mention wall street.

neb · 03-06-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

Maybe you should be blaming the companies instead of the president? Last I checked stocks are based on a companies performance, not a countrys. I know it has some relevence but give me a break.

Not always, in the last 12 months, Church and Dwight has been profitable as they have always been. By always I mean every quarter the company has been around, like 108 straight years. But their stock has dropped from $66 a share a year ago to $46 a share while profits continue to increase, that is not a result of performance by the company. Church and Dwight by the way = Arm & Hammer

The economy is in the tank for so many reasons, no way can someone point at one thing and say "thats it" You could say Clinton for getting fannie may to open the flood gates, you could say the republicans for letting the big six consult and account for so long before they had to split it up. The bottom line is neither side is clean on this, not even close.

Poindexterity · 03-06-2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by StuartD

Wait, wasn't every stock crashing under Bush before Obama even won a single vote?

absolutely not.
every american citizen
owned three cars and two homes,
we all had hundreds of thousands
in savings, and each and every
aspect of the financial system
was peachy fucking keen.

everything crashed the day obama was sworn in.

smh

uno · 03-06-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sherm

Actually, like I do with my wife to avoid pregnancy, I "pulled out" the majority of my investments out about 8 months BEFORE Bush left, as I was seeing signs of a plummet. The signs of this freefall were more than apparent BEFORE Obama becoming president was even close to being a lock.

This is a case of a something being beat to death by one, buried by another, and everybody is blaming the undertaker. Seriously... Obama isn't sitting there making all of these decisions, just like Bush didn't make them all. There is a process to push things through, and last I checked, it takes some external votes to put these things into action.

Now isnt the time to bitch and moan. Now is the time to put aside every dime you can, make smart decisions with your finances and do your best to ride this out. It takes a lot more than 1 month to crash an economy.

Exactly, the winds for this perfect storm have been brewing for a very long time. The recession started way before he was even the frontrunner which still wasn't even clear until months later.

escorpio · 03-06-2009, 02:48 PM

I blame the rap music.

DirtyDanza · 03-06-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sherm

Actually, like I do with my wife to avoid pregnancy, I "pulled out" the majority of my investments out about 8 months BEFORE Bush left, as I was seeing signs of a plummet. The signs of this freefall were more than apparent BEFORE Obama becoming president was even close to being a lock.

This is a case of a something being beat to death by one, buried by another, and everybody is blaming the undertaker. Seriously... Obama isn't sitting there making all of these decisions, just like Bush didn't make them all. There is a process to push things through, and last I checked, it takes some external votes to put these things into action.

Now isnt the time to bitch and moan. Now is the time to put aside every dime you can, make smart decisions with your finances and do your best to ride this out. It takes a lot more than 1 month to crash an economy.

no doubt... I lost shitloads with wamu... talking shitloads... on bonds... that then turned to junk...

I pulled shitloads out as well... but now what... sit on cd's and shitty 3%? now im watching those banks go down... BOA is trading 3 bucks they are supposed to be the largest.... I got bunch in with usbank.. they are at 8.82 so far today down 19cents last week they were 14 bucks...

I got money in stuff that should be thriving right now... but it's not because of the way shit is...

we bust our asses working I know you work hard as fuck sherm... you should be able to make money on your money... thats the american way...

obama gives it away...

obama may be good for porn but bad for everything else.... you want to pay more in taxes?

look at lvs today.... that stock should be at 40 bucks min per share... it's trading under 2 bucks ive taken a killing in that ...... im talking a killing.... I just hope thenew properties they open bring it up but if everyone is being taxed they won't be playing....

he needs to lower all taxes for everyone.... big guys , small guys and everyone in between and we can spend ourselvs out of this.....

look what washington state did

they sent 250k 1 dollar checks to 250k people....
would it have been better to send out 250 1000 dollar checks

TheDoc · 03-06-2009, 03:02 PM

1) This topic is stupid.

2) Obama only spent more money in at a single time - he did not spend more money than any president in history - that's a twisted lie. ~ Bush did and that's 100% FACT.

2) The eco crashing is due to the change in investments. All money was in oils, ect. Now people "are" shifting to technology - which aren't worth as much.. Same bullshit happens with every president when the parties change power.

3) You not changing your investments is why you lost. That's a fact.
I haven't lost any money in the Markets since this started - and I won't.

4) Nobody "banned" your guns, just the sale of some. A "HOUSE" here in Tucson was attacked by a group of men all holding ak47's. - It happens all over our Country, every single day of the week.

5) We aren't fucked - not even close to it. - We aren't even where it has been MANY times before. The stock market can crash to shit, it means jack shit. ~ First - it was 100% fake and should have never grew in the first place - but people needed to become richer so they screwed with it. It's not tied to our "entire" Country like it was, we do not 100% depend on those products - and we continue to produce and export, a growing amount.... It's all very simple.

We got screwed under Bush - That's a Fact.

Whatever issues you have - are 100% your own and not Obama's fault at all.

DirtyDanza · 03-06-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

1) This topic is stupid.

2) Obama only spent more money in at a single time - he did not spend more money than any president in history - that's a twisted lie. ~ Bush did and that's 100% FACT.

2) The eco crashing is due to the change in investments. All money was in oils, ect. Now people "are" shifting to technology - which aren't worth as much.. Same bullshit happens with every president when the parties change power.

3) You not changing your investments is why you lost. That's a fact.
I haven't lost any money in the Markets since this started - and I won't.

4) Nobody "banned" your guns, just the sale of some. A "HOUSE" here in Tucson was attacked by a group of men all holding ak47's. - It happens all over our Country, every single day of the week.

5) We aren't fucked - not even close to it. - We aren't even where it has been MANY times before. The stock market can crash to shit, it means jack shit. ~ First - it was 100% fake and should have never grew in the first place - but people needed to become richer so they screwed with it. It's not tied to our "entire" Country like it was, we do not 100% depend on those products - and we continue to produce and export, a growing amount.... It's all very simple.

We got screwed under Bush - That's a Fact.

Whatever issues you have - are 100% your own and not Obama's fault at all.

your facts are twisted brother.... they are not facts...

as for the 4 with ak's isint that the one where the homeowner was able to get in and return fire and made them flee? so he was able to protect himself from the bad guys right? +1 for the gun owners... so banning the sale of some of these guns would be like someone saying well we have this medicine that can save your life but we can't sell it to you....

you think criminals get guns from gun stores?

the only thing you got right in your post was the fact that the market should have never grown to this level it was a false level... which happend under clinton back in the "dot com" craze.. I remember waking up one morning and seeing quallcom at like 600 bucks per share....

TheDoc · 03-06-2009, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

no doubt... I lost shitloads with wamu... talking shitloads... on bonds... that then turned to junk...

I pulled shitloads out as well... but now what... sit on cd's and shitty 3%? now im watching those banks go down... BOA is trading 3 bucks they are supposed to be the largest.... I got bunch in with usbank.. they are at 8.82 so far today down 19cents last week they were 14 bucks...

I got money in stuff that should be thriving right now... but it's not because of the way shit is...

we bust our asses working I know you work hard as fuck sherm... you should be able to make money on your money... thats the american way...

obama gives it away...

obama may be good for porn but bad for everything else.... you want to pay more in taxes?

look at lvs today.... that stock should be at 40 bucks min per share... it's trading under 2 bucks ive taken a killing in that ...... im talking a killing.... I just hope thenew properties they open bring it up but if everyone is being taxed they won't be playing....

he needs to lower all taxes for everyone.... big guys , small guys and everyone in between and we can spend ourselvs out of this.....

look what washington state did

they sent 250k 1 dollar checks to 250k people....
would it have been better to send out 250 1000 dollar checks

He "needs" to continue to do what "he said he would do" - which "is what he has been doing" - Being so....

He should work to start closing corporate tax holes. Holes you aren't large enough to take advantage of. At that point, he will lower the Corporate tax rate(s).

Personal taxes will require a total change in the tax structure for you to pay less taxes. I don't expect Obama to correct that. And lower personal taxes does NOT start spending - just like tax cuts to big companies (that they did get) does not spark job creation.

DirtyDanza · 03-06-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

He "needs" to continue to do what "he said he would do" - which "is what he has been doing" - Being so....

He should work to start closing corporate tax holes. Holes you aren't large enough to take advantage of. At that point, he will lower the Corporate tax rate(s).

Personal taxes will require a total change in the tax structure for you to pay less taxes. I don't expect Obama to correct that. And lower personal taxes does NOT start spending - just like tax cuts to big companies (that they did get) does not spark job creation.

he "needs" to get out of office.... shit we'd be better with hillary at this point... or a chimpanzee

TheDoc · 03-06-2009, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

your facts are twisted brother.... they are not facts...

as for the 4 with ak's isint that the one where the homeowner was able to get in and return fire and made them flee? so he was able to protect himself from the bad guys right? +1 for the gun owners... so banning the sale of some of these guns would be like someone saying well we have this medicine that can save your life but we can't sell it to you....

you think criminals get guns from gun stores?

the only thing you got right in your post was the fact that the market should have never grown to this level it was a false level... which happend under clinton back in the "dot com" craze.. I remember waking up one morning and seeing quallcom at like 600 bucks per share....

What fact of mine is twisted? Bush did spend more, he is only trying to ban high powered guns, bush created the mess we are in with all that he did, none of this is in question by anyone but you.

I know where Criminals get guns from.. They steal them from people like my Dad who buys them in Guns Stores. ~ Fact

A home owner having a HAND GUN - is not in question here. Those are legal, he isn't trying to ban them, regulate those, stop those or anything. Actually - It "PROVES" that we don't need ak47's at all in this Country - a handgun is MORE THAN ENOUGH PROTECTION.

Clinton didn't do this, and the Dot Com thing which a major success for our Country. The fact of deregulation through the Republicans is what allowed this Countries to 'ake the books.

TheDoc · 03-06-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

he "needs" to get out of office.... shit we'd be better with hillary at this point... or a chimpanzee

Nobody, Hillary or McCain could have stopped what happened. Both would have 100% signed the "exact" same bill - that Bush started.

Everything he has done, was said it would be done before hand - and most was started by Bush before he left office.

I think you are confused on what is really going on.

TheDoc · 03-06-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

or a chimpanzee

We had a Chimpanzee - He totally fucked everything up.

papill0n · 03-06-2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

you call me a lunitic now....

but just wait....

what will you do to protect yourself when the shit hits the fan and people are robing and stealing just to eat and feed their family... how will youprotect yours?

it's a circle dood... obama knows it thats why he wants to ban them....

when everyone is starving and can't feed themselvs or their children and he already spent all the money on stupid shit like healthcare what will they do for food?

what will all the baby mommas on welfare with 10 kids do to feed these 10 kids... they will try to rob the upperclass and for that we have weapons... ill stop you at 800yards with a headshot... you gonna open your door up?

he needs to cut taxes for everyone.... all brackets... all this money he spent on this bullshit should have went to the military because were about to hit the fan with iran....

instead he spends how much on bullshit....

So america has gone from the greatest and most powerful nation on Earth and it is all Obama's fault. Where the hell is that genius Bush to fix everything

oh and to answer your question I am going to do jack shit about that ridiculous hypothetical you just proposed

DirtyDanza · 03-06-2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

What fact of mine is twisted? Bush did spend more, he is only trying to ban high powered guns, bush created the mess we are in with all that he did, none of this is in question by anyone but you.

I know where Criminals get guns from.. They steal them from people like my Dad who buys them in Guns Stores. ~ Fact

A home owner having a HAND GUN - is not in question here. Those are legal, he isn't trying to ban them, regulate those, stop those or anything. Actually - It "PROVES" that we don't need ak47's at all in this Country - a handgun is MORE THAN ENOUGH PROTECTION.

Clinton didn't do this, and the Dot Com thing which a major success for our Country. The fact of deregulation through the Republicans is what allowed this Countries to 'ake the books.

while I agree with you that handguns are great for protection I never miss with mine... I disagree in the fact of what I can and can't own as far as guns go... id like to see em come get my m107... you saying thats too much for a "civilian" to own?

sometimes you need bigger guns to get bigger jobs done....

as for criminals the ban does nothing to stop criminals.. if they are intent on hurting you they will do it with a wrench...

you carry a nice emblem in your avitar so im assuming you know as well as I do that someone with training can over take an ak with no weapon... thats not the question at hand... it's the fact the gov is not here to tell me what I can and can't own... just like the bush admin should not tell adults what they can and can't watch.....

DirtyDanza · 03-06-2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

We had a Chimpanzee - He totally fucked everything up.

his name was Bill Clinton....

TheDoc · 03-06-2009, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RageCash-Ben

So america has gone from the greatest and most powerful nation on Earth and it is all Obama's fault. Where the hell is that genius Bush to fix everything

oh and to answer your question I am going to do jack shit about that ridiculous hypothetical you just proposed

Come on now.. If we ALLLL had ak47's - We could "all protect our food" - When the ENTIRE COUNTRY runs out of food - Nobody will dare shoot anyone because we will all have guns. Nobody would ever hold up a food line with an ak47 or just mow everyone down... naaaa. So instead of food, we will eat the guns - and the Country will be saved!

TheDoc · 03-06-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

while I agree with you that handguns are great for protection I never miss with mine... I disagree in the fact of what I can and can't own as far as guns go... id like to see em come get my m107... you saying thats too much for a "civilian" to own?

sometimes you need bigger guns to get bigger jobs done....

as for criminals the ban does nothing to stop criminals.. if they are intent on hurting you they will do it with a wrench...

you carry a nice emblem in your avitar so im assuming you know as well as I do that someone with training can over take an ak with no weapon... thats not the question at hand... it's the fact the gov is not here to tell me what I can and can't own... just like the bush admin should not tell adults what they can and can't watch.....

An ak47 is NOT protected under the Constitution - You have no right to the ownership of it, just like you have no right to tank, a bio weapon, a rocket, or a nuke.

Obama is simply putting back in what was taken out of law. He didn't make this law up. He isn't TAKING your gun - he is banning the sale of it.

I'm a gun owner and a Marine - and I 100% support the ban.

Bryan G · 03-06-2009, 03:30 PM

I cannot believe people are blaming this all on Obama. I knew all the Republicans would mind you. The economy was going to shit before, does not matter if Obama, Bush, McCain, whoever. Same shit would have happened.

Splum · 03-06-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Nobody, Hillary or McCain could have stopped what happened. Both would have 100% signed the "exact" same bill - that Bush started.

Haha you are a moron, the stimulus bill that just got passed was 110% Obama administration lol. Not a single fucking Republican voted for it OR wrote a single line in it. Sheep ass idiot.

DirtyDanza · 03-06-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

An ak47 is NOT protected under the Constitution - You have no right to the ownership of it, just like you have no right to tank, a bio weapon, a rocket, or a nuke.

Obama is simply putting back in what was taken out of law. He didn't make this law up. He isn't TAKING your gun - he is banning the sale of it.

I'm a gun owner and a Marine - and I 100% support the ban.

Im not going to sit and argue with a fellow grunt...

we will agree to disagree on that....

btw it's not just AK's

it's all assault weapons...

SL|M! · 03-06-2009, 04:07 PM

Lehman Brothers crashed while Bush was in office. Most economists blame that the downfall of Lehman was the catalyst for this whole disaster. Paulson and Bush made a decision not to bail them out and shit hit the fan.

DirtyDanza · 03-06-2009, 04:11 PM

btw car crashes kill more people in america everyday than guns do (all firearms) why not ban driving?

Splum · 03-06-2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SL|M!

Lehman Brothers crashed while Bush was in office. Most economists blame that the downfall of Lehman was the catalyst for this whole disaster. Paulson and Bush made a decision not to bail them out and shit hit the fan.

Obama's "stimulus" plan turned the fan on to high. His administration is corrupt and criminal.

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President Obama's economic recovery package will actually hurt the economy more in the long run than if he were to do nothing, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said Wednesday.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ver-long-haul/

TheDoc · 03-06-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum

Haha you are a moron, the stimulus bill that just got passed was 110% Obama administration lol. Not a single fucking Republican voted for it OR wrote a single line in it. Sheep ass idiot.

Listen fuck wad... I could say the sky is Pink (and be wrong) and you could say the the truth, and say it's blue, and....

Nobody, gives a fly fuck what you say - all you do is spew shit all over the place making the entire place smell.

Anyway... Most of the bill WAS lifted off the Desk of Bush. The Cronies were changed, money moved, and life went on. This bailout "would have happened 100% either way!"

Problem with nut jobs like you is you don't "REALLY" respect our Country.... You can't handle that our country "works" and "voted" a direction "the mass majority wants" - and you fucks can't handle it. - You directly are a disgrace to America.

TheDoc · 03-06-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum

Obama's "stimulus" plan turned the fan on to high. His administration is corrupt and criminal.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ver-long-haul/

So the TrillionSSSSSSS that Bush and Company blew, lied, gave to friends companies, stole, murdered over, lied about over a war, forced a war, fucked us all........ All that is... under the rug?

Splum · 03-06-2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Anyway... Most of the bill WAS lifted off the Desk of Bush.

You are a bald faces liar and a bad one at that. So is it the Democratic party line to spin this POS bill as a Bush originated bill?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...lative_history

pornask · 03-06-2009, 04:45 PM

Wow, no matter how much they get fuck in the ass, Obama apologists will always stand by to bow down to him and dip their noses deep inside his ass.

TheDoc · 03-06-2009, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum

You are a bald faces liar and a bad one at that. So is it the Democratic party line to spin this POS bill as a Bush originated bill?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...lative_history

I'm not a Democrat, I'm not registered as one and I didn't vote for Obama. Ass hat.

What part of "It would have happened either way" confuses you? It doesn't mean Bush wrote the fucking thing.

Splum · 03-06-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

So the TrillionSSSSSSS that Bush and Company blew, lied, gave to friends companies, stole, murdered over, lied about over a war, forced a war, fucked us all........ All that is... under the rug?

1. George W. Bush is not the President, your excuses are over.
2. It is 2009 and Obama Hussein Barack is the current President of the United States.
3. The guys in the white suits should arrive to pick you up soon you kook.

Splum · 03-06-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

It doesn't mean Bush wrote the fucking thing.

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Anyway... Most of the bill WAS lifted off the Desk of Bush.

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

NBoth would have 100% signed the "exact" same bill - that Bush started.

Are you bipolar or something?

TheDoc · 03-06-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum

1. George W. Bush is not the President, your excuses are over.
2. It is 2009 and Obama Hussein Barack is the current President of the United States.
3. The guys in the white suits should arrive to pick you up soon you kook.

1) GW Bush was pres - so you need to remember almost every major fuck-up was directly caused by "HIS ACTIONS."

2) At least I don't need to school you on that.

3) Wow - White suit guys round 2 - I welcome it.

TheDoc · 03-06-2009, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum

Are you bipolar or something?

You are clearly too fucking stupid to have a conversation with and clearly you can't read for shit.

Splum · 03-06-2009, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

What part of "It would have happened either way" confuses you?

I promise you a McCain stimulus bill would have looked VERY different.
I do believe a Clinton stimulus bill would also have been very different.

You dont get it, the bill you are thinking of that Congress passed during the Bush administration was completely separate.

Obama's bill was written by, voted for, and pushed on the American people by the Obama administration and the Democrats in the senate and congress. You own this bill buddy, and your party will live and die by it.

baddog · 03-06-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Im confused W was in office for almost 8 months and 911 was clintons fault. This guy is in for 30 days and its all his own doing.

At least we got that clarified.

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Originally Posted by pornguy

Err.. If you bail out the poor or middle class, they WILL SPEND the money. Its the rich that horde it.

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Originally Posted by neb

I have no proof to back this up or say it is bs either way. What I do know is that showing a graph that doesn't include the previous 8 years doesn't give the full picture. Therefore, just another example that taken in pieces, stats can say anything you want them too.

Of course they can, but you want to compare 8 years to 2 months?

Splum · 03-06-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

You are clearly too fucking stupid to have a conversation with and clearly you can't read for shit.

Sorry I only read FACTS buddy not bullshit. Try researching before opening your mouth.
Hoorah motherfucker.

TheDoc · 03-06-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum

I promise you a McCain stimulus bill would have looked VERY different.
I do believe a Clinton stimulus bill would also have been very different.

You dont get it, the bill you are thinking of that Congress passed during the Bush administration was completely separate.

Obama's bill was written by, voted for, and pushed on the American people by the Obama administration and the Democrats in the senate and congress. You own this bill buddy, and your party will live and die by it.

Again for the moron that can't read - I didn't vote for him and he isn't in my party.

But you are for damn sure wrong on this Bill. This bill was being drafted (at this size) under Bush. The difference is where the Money went - But that is 100% expected and changes 100% of the time under every president - bailout or not. So that factor - is pointless. A few goodies did get added in - however goodies got taken out too.

A bailout, of this size, would have happened 100% either way - without question. The republicans are pissed because the money didn't go to PAY for wallstreet again so they can all get padded accounts - rather a massive amount - actually went into America.

Yeah - That's why Republicans and people like you are "really" pissed - you don't want to help American(S) - You only care about yourself - you're scum.. straight up.

Splum · 03-06-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

But you are for damn sure wrong on this Bill. This bill was being drafted (at this size) under Bush.

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The House version of the bill, H.R. 1, was introduced on January 25, 2009. It was sponsored by Democrat David Obey, the House Appropriations Committee chairman, and was co-sponsored by nine other Democrats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...lative_history

As my Negus Obama would say "You got served, beatch!"

TheDoc · 03-06-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum

Sorry I only read FACTS buddy not bullshit. Try researching before opening your mouth.
Hoorah motherfucker.

Hey stoopid... did you read that Wiki article?

"Based largely on broad proposals made by President Obama"

Based largely on broad proposals.... Wait, you mean he didn't come up with the entire thing all by himself? Fucking crazy! I wonder where he got allllllll that info so fast.

Splum · 03-06-2009, 05:09 PM

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"Based largely on broad proposals made by President Obama"

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Anyway... Most of the bill WAS lifted off the Desk of Bush.

Take your meds brotha that bipolar is kicking in again.

baddog · 03-06-2009, 05:23 PM

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Yeah - That's why Republicans and people like you are "really" pissed - you don't want to help American(S) - You only care about yourself - you're scum.. straight up.

Am I to understand that you feel this "stimulus" plan is a good idea?

Pleasurepays · 03-06-2009, 05:45 PM

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Err.. If you bail out the poor or middle class, they WILL SPEND the money. Its the rich that horde it.

how do you "horde" money?

you are saying "rich people" put money under their pillows?

rich people invest money. they buy investment instruments. they put their money in banks which in turn loan you that money to buy a car. they buy cars and planes and boats. they invest in new business.

where is it you think these poor people are spending money? at poor people businesses buying .10 shirts and socks? of course not, they are buying tvs, mobile phones, designer jeans, gold teeth and 24" wheels from rich people who actually create those companies and products, which then creates jobs, which then puts money in peoples pockets to spend it on retarded shit like people in this country LOVE to do.

how the fuck can someone who is over the age of 10 say "the rich horde money"

here's a hint for you.. the economy and the financial markets are not a zero sum system. wealth is created. economies grow. you can't "horde" money unless you are putting it in a vault and pulling it out of the system.

pocketkangaroo · 03-06-2009, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

how do you "horde" money?

you are saying "rich people" put money under their pillows?

rich people invest money. they buy investment instruments. they put their money in banks which in turn loan you that money to buy a car. they buy cars and planes and boats. they invest in new business.

where is it you think these poor people are spending money? at poor people businesses buying .10 shirts and socks? of course not, they are buying tvs, mobile phones, designer jeans, gold teeth and 24" wheels from rich people who actually create those companies and products, which then creates jobs, which then puts money in peoples pockets to spend it on retarded shit like people in this country LOVE to do.

how the fuck can someone who is over the age of 10 say "the rich horde money"

here's a hint for you.. the economy and the financial markets are not a zero sum system. wealth is created. economies grow. you can't "horde" money unless you are putting it in a vault and pulling it out of the system.

In fairness, under Bush there were massive tax cuts and benefits for the wealthy. Everyone was told it would trickle down, create jobs, and so on. Look where we are right now.

Pleasurepays · 03-06-2009, 05:55 PM

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In fairness, under Bush there were massive tax cuts and benefits for the wealthy. Everyone was told it would trickle down, create jobs, and so on. Look where we are right now.

i have no interest in debating the finer points of economics. if you look at the net effect of the tax cuts and federal revenue, it grew. "tax cuts" have nothing to do with the housing market crash, with two wars etc

pocketkangaroo · 03-06-2009, 05:58 PM

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i have no interest in debating the finer points of economics. if you look at the net effect of the tax cuts and federal revenue, it grew. "tax cuts" have nothing to do with the housing market crash, with two wars etc

If it has nothing to do with the current problems, how is it going to fix it? It couldn't help avoid it apparently.

Splum · 03-06-2009, 06:05 PM

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In fairness, under Bush there were massive tax cuts and benefits for the wealthy. Everyone was told it would trickle down, create jobs, and so on. Look where we are right now.

Yes lets recap where we are right now...

Mortgage defaults have caused banks to freeze credit lines so they can horde what cash they have to protect their businesses from failing.

The mortgages are in default because Americans have irresponsibly over extended themselves on credit.

The mortgages existed in the first place due to low interest rates(set by the Fed) and lower acceptance thresholds(set by banks and brokers).

Seems to me we have several guilty parties and not a single one of them are the "wealthy".

1. Lower to middle class Americans buying homes they cant afford.
2. Banks and brokers(who as a whole cant be defined as "the rich") overextended credit.
3. The federal government(specifically the Federal Reserve) lowering interest rates to dangerous levels.

This crisis was not caused by "jobs" or "wealthy" individuals, it was caused by systematic abuses by many levels of the wealth chain.

To simply say "tax cuts for the rich caused this" would be false and simplistic.

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03-06-2009, 02:15 PM	#55
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03-06-2009, 03:02 PM	#61
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	1) This topic is stupid. 2) Obama only spent more money in at a single time - he did not spend more money than any president in history - that's a twisted lie. ~ Bush did and that's 100% FACT. 2) The eco crashing is due to the change in investments. All money was in oils, ect. Now people "are" shifting to technology - which aren't worth as much.. Same bullshit happens with every president when the parties change power. 3) You not changing your investments is why you lost. That's a fact. I haven't lost any money in the Markets since this started - and I won't. 4) Nobody "banned" your guns, just the sale of some. A "HOUSE" here in Tucson was attacked by a group of men all holding ak47's. - It happens all over our Country, every single day of the week. 5) We aren't fucked - not even close to it. - We aren't even where it has been MANY times before. The stock market can crash to shit, it means jack shit. ~ First - it was 100% fake and should have never grew in the first place - but people needed to become richer so they screwed with it. It's not tied to our "entire" Country like it was, we do not 100% depend on those products - and we continue to produce and export, a growing amount.... It's all very simple. We got screwed under Bush - That's a Fact. Whatever issues you have - are 100% your own and not Obama's fault at all. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

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Bryan G Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,338	I cannot believe people are blaming this all on Obama. I knew all the Republicans would mind you. The economy was going to shit before, does not matter if Obama, Bush, McCain, whoever. Same shit would have happened. __________________ Bryan skype: bryan.glass3 \| ICQ 302999591

03-06-2009, 04:07 PM	#76
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