Originally Posted by WhiplashDug (Post 15039864)

But, that does not change the fact, that the funding practices are not currently against any rules, so therefor the election results are what they are. If we as a country continue down this path of using the COURT SYSTEM to overturn every thing the VOTER vote for just because one side didn't like the outcome, where does that leave us?

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 15040381)

are you fucking retarded? really? you think you are clever by directing attention away from real arguments will moronic, played out, 3rd grade semantics?

let me help you out in another way so that even you, a total fucking idiot can understand the idea that was being expressed that everyone but you understood. people vote in free elections and elect people who represent their values/political positions to represent them in our government. the government is a reflection of the will and values of the people. proposition 8 didn't get voted down by whaling captains in Norway or by the King of Eskimos... it got voted down by residents of California who chose to vote.

i'm not saying you can't suck a cock and push some little twinks shit in. please... i'm all for you exercising your right to do so. don't think i have any intention of telling you what cock to suck, where, how or why. do what you want. its the stupidity that i have a problem with.

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 15040381)

are you fucking retarded? really? you think you are clever by directing attention away from real arguments will moronic, played out, 3rd grade semantics?

let me help you out in another way so that even you, a total fucking idiot can understand the idea that was being expressed that everyone but you understood. people vote in free elections and elect people who represent their values/political positions to represent them in our government. the government is a reflection of the will and values of the people. proposition 8 didn't get voted down by whaling captains in Norway or by the King of Eskimos... it got voted down by residents of California who chose to vote.

i'm not saying you can't suck a cock and push some little twinks shit in. please... i'm all for you exercising your right to do so. don't think i have any intention of telling you what cock to suck, where, how or why. do what you want. its the stupidity that i have a problem with.

Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 15039414)

Homosexuality is nature's way of telling you your genes represent an evolutionary dead end and you shouldn't continue them through any form of breeding.

Let them marry, but I say no kids what so ever. Mother nature obviously knows best.

Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 15039447)

How come we have to pander to homosexuals, clearly an unnatural act, but we find pedophelia to be disgusting?

Sexuality's primary purpose is reproduction of the species. That makes homosexuality unnatural.

Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 15039625)

I'm just playing the Devil's advocate here.

I don't actually think Homosexuals should be treated it any different way than anybody else. Do what you want, be with who you want, it really doesn't bother me.

I do think it's interesting that we find one kind of sexual deviancy disgusting while thinking of others as just the way people were made though.

Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 15040050)

You and I were not talking about law, or regulation or society we're talking about the nature of sexuality. That's it. Nothing more.

Simply that homosexuality is unnatural, or at very least, it's nature's way of ending evolutionary dead ends.

Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 15040481)

If you want to make the argument for realism vs. traditional American political practices and structures, here you go.

Realistically, Prop 8 was an extremely close election.

Realistically, the subject matter of Prop 8 is going to be put to vote again.

Realistically, there is going to be a lot of sturm und drang on the issue, but it is pretty obvious how the movie ends. Prop 8 will eventually fail in California and homosexuals and heterosexuals in California will have equal rights.


Utah meddled in California politics to the tune of many many millions of dollars. The people in favor of Prop 8 changed the California state constitution with money from Utah. Because of the wording and the campaign ads, many people who voted did not understand that NO was a vote for gay marriage and YES for a vote for changing the state constitution. Additionally, their propaganda included many bald-faced lies, including that Obama supported Prop 8, when he has clearly stated he does not. Many people voted YES because they were Obama supporters and wanted to go with what he backed, only they were given inaccurate information.

Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 15040481)

If you want to make the argument for realism vs. traditional American political practices and structures, here you go.

Realistically, Prop 8 was an extremely close election.

Realistically, the subject matter of Prop 8 is going to be put to vote again.

Realistically, there is going to be a lot of sturm und drang on the issue, but it is pretty obvious how the movie ends. Prop 8 will eventually fail in California and homosexuals and heterosexuals in California will have equal rights.

Originally Posted by wtfent (Post 15038223)

Don't take any offense to it, you are just the only gay person I'm close to so you get to here my bitching, we are family and always will be. True family should be that group of people that can always tell you how things really are without all the BS you here from strangers and so called friends. Would you rather have everybody always agree with you or have a few that tell you how it really is? I totally except you for who you are, lol no need to slowly back away, thats taking it to far.

You are so right about this having nothing to do with gays getting married so please don't take offense now that we cleared that up. To you its about civil liberties, to me its about protecting our constitution. I was just proving a point with what I wrote you. Where will the civil liberty fights stop after this? They say be careful what you wish for because it might come true. If this passes every freak in the world will use this as an excuse to defend whatever weird civil liberty they want to defend.

There is a brother and sister couple in Germany right now trying to fight for their civil liberties. They think because they are adults and have kids together they should be allowed to marry even though they are blood related.

Like we both agreed on, this has nothing to do with gays but where will this insanity all stop.

30 years ago nobody ever thought another man would want to marry another man, just imagine in another 30 years what will be going on.