What this industry needs desperately is a summit meeting

[Mutt]

Before this industry goes completely into the toilet I think as a whole we should at least give it a shot at trying to save our own businesses by whatever means we may have.
I think it's time for a summit meeting of those who might be smart enough, might have the resources to actually do something - those excluded are those with a history of shady billing practices and involvement in 'user submitted' tube sites, 5-10 medium sized paysite owners(100-200 sales a day), and 5-10 of the largest free site owners. 20-30 people, that's it - to discuss the challenges that the entire industry is facing and to consider what actions can be taken if any.

[Lycanthrope]

In the end, a handful of giants will control everything.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Mutt

Before this industry goes completely into the toilet I think as a whole we should at least give it a shot at trying to save our own businesses by whatever means we may have.
I think it's time for a summit meeting of those who might be smart enough, might have the resources to actually do something - those excluded are those with a history of shady billing practices and involvement in 'user submitted' tube sites, 5-10 medium sized paysite owners(100-200 sales a day), and 5-10 of the largest free site owners. 20-30 people, that's it - to discuss the challenges that the entire industry is facing and to consider what actions can be taken if any.

Your logic's already flawed toots.

If you really think the 'BROS' have the whole industry's best interests in mind you are lost. You need to go to more conferences, and seminars. Listen.

Only then.. will you come to see the truth.

The medium, smaller, and niche players have more of the 'best interest' in mind when it comes to the "industry" then the BROS or fry cooks. The 'men in the middle' for lack of better term are the sweet spot.

[mynameisjim]

I've always said I can't believe there is no industry group in adult. Every other industry has one.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Your logic's already flawed toots.

If you really think the 'BROS' have the whole industry's best interests in mind you are lost. You need to go to more conferences, and seminars. Listen.

Only then.. will you come to see the truth.

The medium, smaller, and niche players have more of the 'best interest' in mind when it comes to the "industry" then the BROS or fry cooks. The 'men in the middle' for lack of better term are the sweet spot.

conferences and seminars

[seeric]

hahaha.

good luck man.

will never happen.

we couldnt even get people to get together and be serious about stopping piracy, let alone saving an entire market space.

good luck though.

what it really needs is a couple well placed hand grenades.

[notoldschool]

Ha ha..never happen.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Mutt

conferences and seminars

Exactly right.

Go a conference and listen to your "BROS" and "ballas".

It's crystal clear they only have their own self serving interests in mind.

Not any symbiotic circle jerk for the "best welfare of the industry" toots.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

will never happen.

we couldnt even get people to get together and be serious about stopping piracy, let alone saving an entire market space.

Exactly...

[nnweb]

there has always been shady shit going on in this business.... why is everyone just now making a big deal of it?

[seeric]

Originally Posted by nnweb

there has always been shady shit going on in this business.... why is everyone just now making a big deal of it?

because the money is drying up. content is worth shit. the credit industry (the one we rely on for sales) is in disarray...etc etc.

[stickyfingerz]

I suggest we implement an industry wide tax. We form a foundation that will take 39% of all sales from anyone making over 250 sales a week. We will take that money and spread it around to make sure everyone in this industry gets some of it. I would like to put myself in charge of the distribution of said wealth. Ill decide who gets what, and how much. Its not fair to tax anyone that makes less than 250 sales a week (for now). The more sales you make the more we will assist you in redistributing those sales to the needy. At 350 sales your percentage will go up to 52%, at 450 66%, and so on and so forth. Everyone needs to do their part in this.

[seeric]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

I suggest we implement an industry wide tax. We form a foundation that will take 39% of all sales from anyone making over 250 sales a week. We will take that money and spread it around to make sure everyone in this industry gets some of it. I would like to put myself in charge of the distribution of said wealth. Ill decide who gets what, and how much. Its not fair to tax anyone that makes less than 250 sales a week (for now). The more sales you make the more we will assist you in redistributing those sales to the needy. At 350 sales your percentage will go up to 52%, at 450 66%, and so on and so forth. Everyone needs to do their part in this.

sure thing barack.

[jpwhits]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

I suggest we implement an industry wide tax. We form a foundation that will take 39% of all sales from anyone making over 250 sales a week. We will take that money and spread it around to make sure everyone in this industry gets some of it. I would like to put myself in charge of the distribution of said wealth. Ill decide who gets what, and how much. Its not fair to tax anyone that makes less than 250 sales a week (for now). The more sales you make the more we will assist you in redistributing those sales to the needy. At 350 sales your percentage will go up to 52%, at 450 66%, and so on and so forth. Everyone needs to do their part in this.

Obama? McFail.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

sure thing barack.

Hey if you accept it from our government well why not our industry? lol

[EXPORT]

Originally Posted by Lycanthrope

In the end, a handful of giants will control everything.

as in every industry...

I understand "some" people sucking up to hahaha

[Rorschach]

this industry is in the maturing and consolidation phase... tube sites and the devaluing of content are just some of the strategies that the big players use to force the smaller players out of the market. economics 101...

[BFT3K]

How about this idea...

Someone who is way better than me at designing a site, registers a name like HonestPornSites.com (which is available as I am typing this).

Develop the site to list only sites that are honest to both the surfer, as well as those in the industry who care to be involved.

An honest place where a surfer can go to find sites that do not rip them off in any way. Sites that do not post misleading join prices - sites that do NOT offer ANY cross sales whatsoever - sites that offer a generous amount of content for the price, etc. And for the further good of the industry, no sites may be listed if the owners are involved with tube sites or cross sales.

A seal of approval can be created, like maybe the HPS Seal of Approval (if the site is HonestPornSites.com for example).

Then, all of us who run clean sites can download the seal of approval banner to display on own sites, which would link back to the honest-review site, where the surfer can feel a bit better joining a "HPS Approved" website.

All I want is a great advertising spot on this site, in return for the idea - lol!

Well, what do you think? The site would be great for surfers because they can double check to see if the site they want to join is honest and worthwhile. Meanwhile the industry draws a simple line in the sand - one side maintains some level of honesty and integrity, and the other side is left to implode within itself, as it is currently doing right now.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

hahaha.



what it really needs is a couple well placed hand grenades.

i'd love to see people's legs being broken and their houses torched - that's the way the original porn pioneers did it.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by jpwhits

Obama? McFail.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

I suggest we implement an industry wide tax. We form a foundation that will take 39% of all sales from anyone making over 250 sales a week. We will take that money and spread it around to make sure everyone in this industry gets some of it. I would like to put myself in charge of the distribution of said wealth. Ill decide who gets what, and how much. Its not fair to tax anyone that makes less than 250 sales a week (for now). The more sales you make the more we will assist you in redistributing those sales to the needy. At 350 sales your percentage will go up to 52%, at 450 66%, and so on and so forth. Everyone needs to do their part in this.

classic. I nominate this the best response of the year!

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

How about this idea...

Someone who is way better than me at designing a site, registers a name like HonestPornSites.com (which is available as I am typing this).

Develop the site to list only sites that are honest to both the surfer, as well as those in the industry who care to be involved.

An honest place where a surfer can go to find sites that do not rip them off in any way. Sites that do not post misleading join prices - sites that do NOT offer ANY cross sales whatsoever - sites that offer a generous amount of content for the price, etc. And for the further good of the industry, no sites may be listed if the owners are involved with tube sites or cross sales.

A seal of approval can be created, like maybe the HPS Seal of Approval (if the site is HonestPornSites.com for example).

Then, all of us who run clean sites can download the seal of approval banner to display on own sites, which would link back to the honest-review site, where the surfer can feel a bit better joining a "HPS Approved" website.

All I want is a great advertising spot on this site, in return for the idea - lol!

Well, what do you think? The site would be great for surfers because they can double check to see if the site they want to join is honest and worthwhile. Meanwhile the industry draws a simple line in the sand - one side maintains some level of honesty and integrity, and the other side is left to implode within itself, as it is currently doing right now.

One more good idea that will never take off.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Your logic's already flawed toots.

If you really think the 'BROS' have the whole industry's best interests in mind you are lost. You need to go to more conferences, and seminars. Listen.

Only then.. will you come to see the truth.

The medium, smaller, and niche players have more of the 'best interest' in mind when it comes to the "industry" then the BROS or fry cooks. The 'men in the middle' for lack of better term are the sweet spot.

well said

[Lamis]

Yes, something like the free speech coalition meeting some years ago.

Tubes are shit and FREE PORN FORUMS are FULL of Rapidshare links.. and torrents.

you can find anything you want.. And nobody is reporting them or caring about it. I don't know why?

I have seen forums with torrents ot every fucking sponsor you can imagine, torrents with complete sites!! WTF??? Torrents of 50 GB!!!!! FREE!! Crazy!!

Fucking insane!!!! Everything is free now and someone needs to do something or 2009-2010 will find 99% of GFY guys working at mcdonalds, if not yet.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Lamis

Fucking insane!!!! Everything is free now and someone needs to do something or 2009-2010 will find 99% of GFY guys working at mcdonalds, if not yet.

Tick tock..

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by Lamis

Yes, something like the free speech coalition meeting some years ago.

Tubes are shit and FREE PORN FORUMS are FULL of Rapidshare links.. and torrents.

you can find anything you want.. And nobody is reporting them or caring about it. I don't know why?

I have seen forums with torrents ot every fucking sponsor you can imagine, torrents with complete sites!! WTF??? Torrents of 50 GB!!!!! FREE!! Crazy!!

Fucking insane!!!! Everything is free now and someone needs to do something or 2009-2010 will find 99% of GFY guys working at mcdonalds, if not yet.

Members area security. Say it with me...

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by Rorschach

this industry is in the maturing and consolidation phase... tube sites and the devaluing of content are just some of the strategies that the big players use to force the smaller players out of the market. economics 101...

sorry you give them way too much credit - even the biggest companies in Net porn are essentially mom and pop operations. they are not acting in concert, they aren't conspiring to force out the little guys. their strategy is survival just like it is for the smallest fish.

those that are into the tube scene big time are not dumb, they see where this is all heading - they have little to worry about from a legal liability angle, paysites and content may become worthless but traffic will never be worthless. without anything to get in the way of tube sites there is no stopping them.

all that will be left are a small group of surfers who know what they like and would rather pay 30 dollars a month for it rather than rummage through a tube site for it.
unfortunately there's not nearly enough of those type of people out there to justify the costs of producing what they want.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by Mutt

sorry you give them way too much credit - even the biggest companies in Net porn are essentially mom and pop operations. they are not acting in concert, they aren't conspiring to force out the little guys. their strategy is survival just like it is for the smallest fish.

those that are into the tube scene big time are not dumb, they see where this is all heading - they have little to worry about from a legal liability angle, paysites and content may become worthless but traffic will never be worthless. without anything to get in the way of tube sites there is no stopping them.

all that will be left are a small group of surfers who know what they like and would rather pay 30 dollars a month for it rather than rummage through a tube site for it.
unfortunately there's not nearly enough of those type of people out there to justify the costs of producing what they want.

I concur.

[Cyndalie]

This industry has 'summit meetings' all the time, it's better when it isn't advertised when and where and how it's going to happen. I suspect you get alot of unwanted opinions that mean nothing when you do that.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

I suggest we implement an industry wide tax. We form a foundation that will take 39% of all sales from anyone making over 250 sales a week. We will take that money and spread it around to make sure everyone in this industry gets some of it. I would like to put myself in charge of the distribution of said wealth. Ill decide who gets what, and how much. Its not fair to tax anyone that makes less than 250 sales a week (for now). The more sales you make the more we will assist you in redistributing those sales to the needy. At 350 sales your percentage will go up to 52%, at 450 66%, and so on and so forth. Everyone needs to do their part in this.

apples and oranges.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Your logic's already flawed toots.

If you really think the 'BROS' have the whole industry's best interests in mind you are lost. You need to go to more conferences, and seminars. Listen.

Only then.. will you come to see the truth.

The medium, smaller, and niche players have more of the 'best interest' in mind when it comes to the "industry" then the BROS or fry cooks. The 'men in the middle' for lack of better term are the sweet spot.

The niche and micro niche site owners have never really mattered much in peoples eyes, unless your niche can be replicated with ease (thought wise at least) by anyone with a camera and willing model.
Often such site owners either do not rely on affiliates, or those that do have already formed pretty solid relationships with people that are good for their business. This alone often keeps them well outside of any limelight. So naturally their opinions would mean much much less to the general adult public. If you do not work with them in some way- they are nobodies as far as most are concerned. Forget that they often have the wants, needs, and service that the customers are after. Nor that they beat out most when it comes down to member value.

Originally Posted by nnweb

there has always been shady shit going on in this business.... why is everyone just now making a big deal of it?

People have always had such an interest in forming such groups and stopping much of the shady shit. These ideas are far from new. Groups wanted to form or tried even long before the first rounds of major card rule shake ups. Just now there is a few thousand more people involved than in the past (despite that way to many claim to be from the 90's) and a portion want a cleaner industry.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Last thing this industry is another party...

I can see it now. SUMMIT MEETING 09!

Reservations $1000.00
BOTH: $10,000
SUMMIT REGISTRATION: $1000.00
FLIGHT: $900.00+
DRUGS: $2000.00
WHORES: $5000.00
ALCOHOL: $800.00
ASACP DONATION: $100.00
FSC DONATION: $100.00

BANNER PLACEMENT AND WALL BOARD ADS PRICING AND AVAILABILITY CONTACT: [email protected]

TEND THE ACTUAL 15 minute meeting SUMMIT ENTRANCE FEE: FREE!!!!

Yeah we need another gathering like we need a mother fucking bullet in the head.

[Cyndalie]

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Hey we can do an awards ceremony to!
WOoo we can make alot doing that in coordination with the event!

[Barefootsies]

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Event SPonsor: Adult Friend Finder.
Event Location Sponsored by: Brazzers.
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[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Last thing this industry is another party...

I can see it now. SUMMIT MEETING 09!

Yeah we need another gathering like we need a mother fucking bullet in the head.

Like it really needs to be done in person... ah never mind.
Carry on with everyone's preconceived notions.

Everyone at shows drink until they puke, parties non stop, and never does any business what so ever.

[Supz]

how about a million man march

[bhutocracy]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

I suggest we take the industry wide tax back to where it was a couple of years ago. We form a foundation that will take 3% of all sales from anyone making over 250 sales a week like be were before. We will take that money and spread it around policing and legal services. I would like to put myself in charge of the distribution of said wealth basing my decisions on a large team of advisers well educated in their field. We'll decide which services will help us as a whole the most, and how much each one is allocated. Its not fair to tax anyone that makes less than 250 sales a week (for now). Everyone needs to do their part in this so to get the most out of this new effort the more work you do policing your content the more muscle we'll be able to provide to help you.

Fixed

[bhutocracy]

Still Apples and Oranges but if you're going to try, may as well do it right. ;)