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Im serious asking myself why you worry about this?
There will be new ways, anyway alot programs use a ID in their url so that solved the probllem already. Not a huge issue if people start to change now to use the id in the urls. |
How many people go to a paysite then close the IE session. Then the next day they go back to that website and join? What % of ppl do that? I would think it's pretty small. Porn is an instant gratification type of business.
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Nice find...a proper script (like NATS) tracks the affilaite code first and cookie second, so this has no real effect.
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1: its pretty small, the number of people
2: this will never happen, porn or normal, microsoft can not know if its a porn site or not, think twice. this is simple a crap story what will never happen. |
if this ever will happen it will be removed anyway in a next version, because microsoft will lose alot of lawsuits including firefox.
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Companies are just going to have to find a new way to track affiliate links. Server sside cookies, IP tracking, who knows. The odds of someone changing their IP have got to be about around the odds of someone clearing their cookies. Hell, it might even be BETTER in the favor of affiliates. If we went this route, isn't it feasible that we could fight the evil Zango in rewriting cookies and stealing sales too? I'm no expert on Zango, so I might be off on that. maybe someone more savvy in that department can shed some light. All I'm saying is people are jumping the gun a little quick on the doomsday prophecies with this one. There's plenty worse things to worry about. At least this is a rectifiable problem. It's something the industry CAN do something about. it's not like rampant piracy and illegal tubes which are out of our control. |
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I know I'm in the minority here, and probably going to catch some shit for saying it, but I always thought these long term cookies were bullshit. It's a lazy man that needs to "call a surfer" for life just because he clicked on a link on your site. let me tell you how the real world works...
I run a fairly large Company with 180 (commission only) brokers in offices all over the US. When they put a customer into the system, they have to keep them active. You know what happens when the customer doesn't buy within 30 days? Well, if the brokers has not had documented contact with them, another broker gets the customer. Yep, that's right. A customer comes in and askes one of my brokers to help him expand his business, he wants to buy another electrical component manufacturing plant in the north east. My broker get's him the paperwork, signs off on the non-compete, and begins showing him companies for sale that fit his needs. Now a month and one day goes by and he hasn't heard from the broker...so he calls up and asks about a firm for sale that he saw listed on our site. He get's handed to the broker handling the particular company for sale, and the broker who signed him up as a buyer loses the commission on it (as much as several hundred thousand dollars). That simple. If my brokers are not working to make the sale themselves, there is no free ride. Just my two cents... |
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If this was something that was inevitable and would cost me half my income, then I'd be shitting a brick and trying to figure out what to do. Since this is something that "might" cost me 3 or 4% of my income, I'll relax, drink a beer, and think up a way to get a few extra joins a month to make up the difference. :winkwink: When I made my original post I foresaw the chicken little crowd coming in and panicking, and starting thread after thread demanding that sponsors change the way they track sales. That's why I took the attitude I did with the whole situation. The chicken little thing hasn't happened, but it's still early. :winkwink: |
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Alot of the bookmark sales have died over the years anyways, the default in Nats programs I think is 14 days, but most owners set it to less.
With search engine traffic I can attest to the fact that about 10% of my sales come from Bookmark. But its dwindling down to nothing, most the programs have cookies set to expire and the reflection of it is easy to see in my stats. |
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IPs will change.. so if cookie is deleted and IP has changed (since its dynamic IP from cable, dsl, dialup), then no credit is able to be given. tracking by IP is not a good idea (its ok for the short term like 24-48 hours -or until it changes- to give credit with the knowing that the IP could change on the surfer and the tracking is lost). relying on cookies as the only method is a bad idea. tracking the affiliate ID in the url throughout the tour is a great idea (for instances of bookmarking). ---- RayVega's point about cookies is a touchy topic, as affiliates do push to get as much as they can from sponsor programs (b/w, content, longer cookies, etc) There will be those that don't cater to the affiliates, and there will be those that will.. so in the end, the affiliates will need to be better informed as to what sponsors are offering so they can determine who is going to convert their traffic better. Fight the timeout! |
Tracking just the refid would not be enough because all surfers are clicking the same refid...
What about MAC Address? ehhhheheh... |
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Those who think that cookie-less won't affect the biz - these people have no idea what they are talking about. Shitloads of surfers buy access days or weeks after they see a site at first time (for example most people surf porn during their work time, notice a nice site and later at home buy an access in quite. Try to have own paysite and you will see that most of your owner's sales will be the direct ones. It is funny to read those who doesnt care. This situation is extremely serious and will affect the biz a lot! Sales are poor due to much free stuff around and now they will go to zero for most of you affiliate-guys. This shit will affect your sales MUCH MUCH more than all tube sites together! Impulse buys happen not so often as you are "blind" thinking
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You are right. A lot of people DO surf at work and then come home and buy a membership later that night. So a cookie doesn't help in any way at all in that scenario. The cookie is on the machine at work. Not the one at home. We don't cookie actual human beings. lol Just a computer. :) So in the scenario you just described...having the cookie removed on the work computer that day will make NO impact at all on the guy going home and typing the site in. So what's the point you're trying to make? I, and many others, routinely clear our cookies. Firefox prompts you to "clear all data" when you shut the browser down. And I've cleared them for years with I.E. because I have kids in the house and just try to keep my history and cookies off of any machine I may use in my home. |
Since we already talk about cookies....Who will get credit if surfer visit 10 sites from 10 different webmasters with same sponsor?Webmaster from first site or last site ?
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last site. previous cookie gets overwritten Fight the LILO! |
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