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Sly 08-11-2008 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 14592792)
Really? So we already have cars that run on natural gas? That's news to me.

http://www.ngvamerica.org/

There's your news.

marketsmart 08-11-2008 03:58 PM

if t bone is so into saving the US, why is he buying up all the water rights he can get hios hands on..

i like the guy, always have ever since he was the first guy to talk about peak oil, but i just cant shake this gut feeling that he has a hidden agenda behind everything he does..

anyway, there's going to be a lot of money to be made in alternative energy...

BradM 08-11-2008 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 14593110)
i like the guy, always have ever since he was the first guy to talk about peak oil, but i just cant shake this gut feeling that he has a hidden agenda behind everything he does..

EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING HAS A HIDDEN AGENDA.

Why would a rich oil man from Texas be ANY different?

Shit.

Sly 08-11-2008 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM (Post 14593130)
EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING HAS A HIDDEN AGENDA.

Why would a rich oil man from Texas be ANY different?

Shit.

Every great invention, and even the bad ones, was created with money in mind. It would be silly to think that this is any different. That doesn't make it a bad idea.

What's funny is somebody could find a straight up cure for cancer and people would still throw a fit because somebody, somewhere is going to get rich off of it.

WhiplashDug 08-11-2008 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM (Post 14593050)
It's cute when Dug posts. The general uneducated American populace really doesn't "get it" even when the people who want to drill say "It will lower prices by a few c per gallon, and won't be able to keep up with any kind of demand, so the % it pumps into the total barrels a day is TINY"

But he thinks it will help. LOL Dug what other things do you (average uneducated Americans) think about current issues and world events?

Sigh.


Seriously... take the propaganda somewhere else! Your talking points don't mean anything to real Americans! But, since your so well educated on the subject, perhaps you can enlighten some of us simpletons?

First, maybe you can explain to us how much oil there is, how much we could extract, and why it would have so little effect?

Then, help us understand how adding tens of millions of barrels a day
in DOMESTIC supply has a negative effects on our economy? And how created a new, source of money to invest in renewable energy technology is again, not worth it?

Lastly, while you at it, please enlighten us as to how none of this would help to strengthen the US economy/dollar and how a stronger dollar would not mean lower prices for oil?

Ad3pt 08-11-2008 04:16 PM

I think it's a great idea. We have to start somewhere to get the ball rolling. If he's going to make money off it so will others. Maybe that will even inspire more development in other technologies.

crockett 08-11-2008 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 14592792)
Really? So we already have cars that run on natural gas? That's news to me.


Umm we have had cars that run on natural gas for years maybe even decades. There are many companies that already have fleet vehicles that run on natural gas, UPS is one of them.

The best thing about natural gas, it is the only fuel that can replace oil right now. It also can be used in the cars we have now, they just have to have a different carburetor system set up.

The other cool thing about NG is it lets engines last much longer than a engine that burns oil based gas because there is very little carbon build up. There is really no downside to NG, other than the fact we are using it for generating electric and that's taking up most of the current supply.

Snake Doctor 08-11-2008 05:22 PM

Ok well my lack of knowledge about natural gas cars notwithstanding....I still don't think it's a great idea.

The wind thing is fine, but I don't like the idea of natural gas cars. As was posted before, why replace one expensive fossil fuel with another?

My personal preference is nuclear power, lots and lots and lots of nuclear power to light up the power grid....and electric cars that will get their juice from the same power grid.

Then we can spend all those billions of dollars on technologies to safely dispose of or recycle the waste material.

pocketkangaroo 08-11-2008 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ztik (Post 14592915)
What does that have to do with his plan?

I just have a tough time trusting a guy's plan who has been such a shady, lying scumbag in the past.

pocketkangaroo 08-11-2008 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiplashDug (Post 14592975)
Its a great idea... but right now it wont work. Can't replace fueled power with wind or solar. Its too unreliable.

See, the thing is, since there isn't a way to store mass amounts of unused power, the power grid has to have fueled power sources on and running equal to what is being produced by the wind so that if/when the wind slows down, or misses a day there is a power source to keep everyone lights on.

NOT to mention, that each wind turbine generates a rather small amount of energy, so you will need millions of them all over... maybe you would like to live next the 300-400 million acres of them? guess we can tear up some farm land, maybe rip out the corn (since ethenol don't really work anyway). Or maybe clear cut a few hundreed million acres of national forest and put them there...

ONLY answer to the energy issue in USA is nuclear power! The cheapest, most efficient power source on earth!

I agree with you on nuclear. It's too bad that we had the incident at 3 Mile Island which was overblown and scared the public away from nuclear. But long term, it is the way we should go. There are some issue with it such as what to do with the nuclear waste and old facilities that need to be addressed though.

But I still don't see why using wind or solar is a bad thing. If you pick the parts of the country right, it's as reliable as anything. Even if it only aids in the power grid, every bit helps. While solar has issues with land, wind doesn't. Farmers in fact can lease their land out for the turbines. We see this being done right now with power lines and cell phone towers without any problems. Farmers can grow crops right up to the base of the turbine with no problems. It's a great way for farmers to maximize their land even more than they currently do.

I see very little problem at all with wind, especially if it's used as a secondary form of energy.

WhiplashDug 08-11-2008 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 14593532)
Ok well my lack of knowledge about natural gas cars notwithstanding....I still don't think it's a great idea.

The wind thing is fine, but I don't like the idea of natural gas cars. As was posted before, why replace one expensive fossil fuel with another?

My personal preference is nuclear power, lots and lots and lots of nuclear power to light up the power grid....and electric cars that will get their juice from the same power grid.

Then we can spend all those billions of dollars on technologies to safely dispose of or recycle the waste material.



I'm with you on this one!

fuzzylogic 08-11-2008 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mynameisjim (Post 14592135)
Is there really a lack of electricity? Coal is virtually inexhaustible in America and with a bit of technology, coal plants can be made much cleaner than they are today. The only reason your electricity bill has gone up 2X in the past 3 years is because banks like Morgan Stanly and Citigroup now own electric companies. They don't own any powerlines, they just buy and sell electricity. So they are a non-value added milddleman and jack up the price. Same with natural gas.

Wind power would be great. But if you let the same companies run it, you will be in the same boat. And that's what these guys like T. Boone Pickens want. They will eventually charge the same price for electricity but they'll be able to produce it for cheaper. Energy companies will make more money and everyday people will pay the same.

bingo.
the same situation is occuring here in the southwest with solar power. in the last 18 months private companies have been gobbling up land to setup solar arrays and make bank. all i'll get out of it is an eye sore when i drive and walk the desert.

pocketkangaroo 08-11-2008 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiplashDug (Post 14593158)
Seriously... take the propaganda somewhere else! Your talking points don't mean anything to real Americans! But, since your so well educated on the subject, perhaps you can enlighten some of us simpletons?

First, maybe you can explain to us how much oil there is, how much we could extract, and why it would have so little effect?

Then, help us understand how adding tens of millions of barrels a day
in DOMESTIC supply has a negative effects on our economy? And how created a new, source of money to invest in renewable energy technology is again, not worth it?

Lastly, while you at it, please enlighten us as to how none of this would help to strengthen the US economy/dollar and how a stronger dollar would not mean lower prices for oil?

First off, this is not going to strengthen the dollar. Raising interest rates will strengthen the dollar. Not printing money for banks like it was going out of style will strengthen the dollar.

I think the issue with drilling offshore is two-fold. First being that it's going to take at least half a decade before any of this enters our country. And just because it's drilled domestically doesn't mean we get access to it all. It means the oil companies do, and they can sell it to anyone they please. Sure it raises supply and thus could lower cost, but even the experts have said it's likely to have a minimal effect on the amount of oil that we consume.

The other is of course that this is just another band-aid. The country needs to focus on new fuel sources and fast. It needs to have a plan in place for replacing fossil fuels in the next 10-20 years. Does this simply delay the inevitable?

I'm for it only if it involves a huge push in alternative energy to go with it. Also if it's guaranteed to be safe for the environment. No destroying huge patches of the ocean so I can fill my tank up for a few pennies less. Drilling is a band-aid, and a poor one at that.


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