Bottom line is, Shap knows that RedTube is full of stolen videos, but he still chooses to advertise there and accept their traffic (coming up with some lame 'rules' to justify it)

that one isn't mine

This one is and will be pulled today.

Here's the deal. As I mentioned in my post I'm willing to do business with companies that are willing to play by my rules. Right now it appears RedTube is not playing by our rules.

1. I do not allow an ad to be played for another company at the end of our videos. Right now there is an AFF ad.

2. I do not allow a sites to post video 3+ minutes in length of our content. We also do not allow our content to be used without a link back. They are doing both right now. http://www.redtube.com/974

3. There are reports that depending on your ip our ads may not be showing up. This is not acceptable.

I've placed their account on hold until they rectify those 3 problems.

These are the same rules I ask all affiliates to follow and this is the same action I would take on any affiliate violating them. First the account is placed on hold and they are asked to fix the problems. If they do not fix them their account is terminated.

With all due respect, Shap, their whole business model is based on surfers uploading full length videos. That means that sooner or later your full length videos will be back up there.

Seriously mate, "I'm looking into it" if this was any other webmaster there account would be frozen and most likely terminated why give special treatment??

from the looks of things as long as you have big traffic a webaster can dictate on what can and cannot be done, it shouldn't be acceptable and these guys should have there accounts terminated and thats the end of that, it seems to me this is just a win win situation for the people doing the wrong thing.

Anyway thats my 3.am rant off to bed.....

edit I see you have done pretty much that koodus to you night;)

First of all I've never terminated any account without giving the affiliate a chance unless they were fraudulent. That's just the way I run my business. Terminating someone without trying to rectify the situation is just being a dick.

If you read my post you'd notice this account is on hold. Our policy is simple our affiliates either play by our rules or they are terminated. This account is no different. All TwistysCash affiliates are treated equally.

tube sites are way too big

Awesome. Accountability is where it's at.

Step 1. This video has been removed.

Hi JB. Could you grab a screen capture of this for me? RedTube has been very receptive to the issues I brought up with them. Having the screen capture would help fix this issue.

Here is an update on the situation.

We approached RedTube about the issues we had regarding our videos being misused on their site. Their backend is unable to accommodate our requests at this time. As a result they've agreed to remove all Twistys videos and links until they can.

Wouldn't they have known that initially when you laid down your rules to them? Seems like they just agreed to your rules knowing that they couldn't follow them from the start.

I never realized they had an ad at the end of th video clip going to AFF. It is my fault. I didn't watch the clips from beginning to end. Thanks to GFY for catching it for us. :thumbsup

Wow no kidding.. Now THAT seems fishy.. they should have disclosed that off the bat to you :/

NO offence but you are talking about someone putting up stolen content to make a buck. Why in hell would he mention it?

;)

Naturally they didnt and won't.

What makes you think their business model and means of conducting business will change because someone "made a deal"

They stand to earn more by not following Twisty's rules. I mean seriously, do you really think they will play ball cause Shap asked?

Well, you never expect people to play fair ball. You work to levy the best possible situation for you. Shap DID put himself into a position of power by communicating with them, and got his issues resolved pretty quickly. Sometimes making those kinds of efforts can pay off not because of what it can do for you, but by simply giving yourself the leverage to control the situation.

They are apparently working on it right now. They are not only willing to play ball with me but looking to really legitimize their site.

I don't know them well so I'm not going to stick up for them in any way. I'm just telling you what I'm being told. Hopefully they do become 100% legitimate. That would be a positive thing for all of us.

Everyone starts somewhere, if they are making the steps, it only makes sense to give them the chance. If they shoot themselves in the foot, they are only hurting themselves. It's in their best interests to try, and if they're smart they know that. Seems they're putting in the effort, so it will be cool to see where it goes.

Seriously Shap you know I love you guys and all and I can understand some of your points and some of the others, but how is a site like this going to be ligitimate? Cause you know as much as I know that as soon as this guy (redtube) puts up 2 min. max vids his traffic will go away right to the next site with the full videos. So why in hell would he go legitimate?

Its like using DRM, people hate it and as long as there are people out there who don't use it it will never work out.

Btw that said I'll believe it when I see it.

Is a company like Twisty's responsible for earnings lost to the companies who have their content posted? I mean Twisty's is NOT stealing content BUT they are going to be profitizing the traffic, or in other words, profiting off of copyrighted content from other companies. And not accidentally or unknowingly, they completely understand the source of it.

Twisty's is profiting off of traffic generated by stealing content from a huge chunk of the industry. I think if you continue to profit off it that they should take action against you. Its pretty open and close, Twisty's, AFF, and Brazzers are accepting illegal (atleast unethical) traffic and profiting from it.

Redtube posts other companies copyrighted videos without permission, and Twisty's is profiting off it. Bottom line. Redtube can claim they didnt know about it, and removed it when complained about, but what Twisty's is doing is blatent and decided upon. They didnt make this decision unsure of where the vids came from, or unsure of who uploaded them, they just dont care. If they gave a fuck, it wouldnt be happening, that tells us quite alot about the quality of company they are.

So when all these posts are done, we will have a massive site uploading stolen content, and a couple sponsors willing to disregard proper business ethics and accepting that traffic.

I really hope redtube send sales, because im certain this will cost you REAL WEBMASTERS who arent fly by nite thiefs.

As far as them wanting to work with sponsors, i wont get a job at the bank by robbing it, its not the proper way to get a foot in the door. If they wanted to work with sponsors, they wouldnt be sending their traffic from other sites videos to Twisty's AFF and Brazzers.

Yea, they sure will be removing all your videos, like they have removed all other people's videos.

Thing is, you were greedy to make a buck, they pulled wool over your eyes with geo targeting your location and showing you "all is well" and continued to fuck you over. You came to GFY thinking i dont know what (i cannot explain your other thread, better to have stayed quiet). You realised you're beeing fucked from both sides, so you are putting the relationship "on hold".

Future estimates.
You'll find more twistys videos there as more time passes and redtube realises they won't profit enough from you and they'll move to accomodate someone with deeper pockets, to the point they won't even hide your videos like they do now. You'll come bitching to gfy of X and Y company advertising on tube sites. People will give you props, you'll stay a hypocrite anyway.:thumbsup

I think they have a monster they can't control on their hands. They love the traffic and don't want to do anything to give it up. If you gave me a million hit a day site that was loaded with stolen content on and told me to legitimize it. I would make a complete switch to legitimate. Even if 80% of the traffic disappeared you'd still have a huge site The reality is the traffic is all bookmarks and type in traffic. They'd never lose 80%. They wouldn't even lose 50%. It all would come down to how the switch was made. That's what i would do ;)

Lady Mischief...please!

If that is the case, WHY IN THE FUCK DID YOU TRUST THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE?

You already know the fox and the scorpion story.....You did business with the scorpion and he stung you ANYWAY....You got what you deserved.

I don't push Twistys....I don't have traffic for Twistys....However, I produce my own content and have my own site.....Therefore, I am completely objective on this subject...

You asked to get fucked and they fucked you.....Don't put their account on hold now.....It's like how my ex-girlfriend calls me and complains about how her babydaddy is doing her wrong....I tell the bitch, "YOU chose to spread your legs for him while KNOWING that he was a fucking bum....So now he's fucking up, don't tell me shit about it...suck it up and deal with it"..

I say the same thing to you.

I'm not complaining one bit. VG Content brought to light some things that were happening on RedTube. Since it was public discussion i just kept everyone up to date with what was happening.

Sounds to me like this redtube was defrauding you, perhaps knowingly, just from what's been described (and confirmed) in this thread.

I seriously doubt that. Unless all tube sites would make that switch you will never keep 50% stick to a site wich once offered full scenes but turned legitimate with 2 min scenes. SO unless you find a way to keep the full videos in a ligitimate way there is no way you will keep 50% or more.

You know what Shap. I shouldn't have been so vulgar. It really wasn't your fault any more than it is anyone elses fault when they get conned. These illegal tube guys are scammers and I can only imagine how they spun it for you.

I am sorry for my comments and how they made you look.

wow so the thieves didn't disclouse something to you and they were less than honest...... shocking :upsidedow Who would have expected that from " ideal affiliates".

damn from all of your posts inregards to what shap has been doing, he could fart and you would reply " that seems great Shap, nice work!"

seriously, no matter what he does you " good jobbing" his every move.

please. why the fuck do i even read this site any more. You people buy the bullshit that is posted here and none of you like hearing my replies any way. I should just leave. I just can't help laugh they feed you bullshit and you actually give it an ounce of value to it. I know you said you not sticking up for them but to say " apparently working on it". Working on what ? :1orglaugh going legit????? LMAO they could go legit in a couple hours if they wanted to.

So the poor content thieves are trying to legitimize their site right???? Here are some VERY simple ways this can be done easy.
- all videos over 3 mins long do not go live when they are published by an end user. They go to a preview area. If there are watermarks or urls on them they are trashed unless it is the site owner, which in that case....
- create submitting accounts for select people and you dont have to monitor their content, they could do one for shap.
- If someone doesnt have a submit account and they want to upload a movie over 3 mins that is a *real* user submitted video, have the user identify themselves or the site the video is being used for. Like for example, in the video say " this is for redtube" at the beginning, which is proof it was user submitted. 100% fool proof.

VERY FUCKING SIMPLE, it would take them a couple hours to set this stuff up in place Shap. Come on you are not that fucking stupid. They are trying to legitimize their site :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh They just dont want to pay someone a couple bucks an hour to review the videos and they would lose all the long full video content if they did away with it. Then they would lose market share to megrotic and youporn, you know their competition is making them do it....

by the way if they use any of my ideas tell them I will send them a bill, or wait they are theives they wont pay it they will just steal the ideas and use them. :1orglaugh

so fucking sad and pathetic. I bet redtube uses the " we trying to legitimize our business" bullshit for the next several months till people stop posting about it and the issue goes away. Kind of like Lars' with the " adware colusions " and we are working on it. Those guys over at AFF worked on "adware colusion " problem for 6 months and they still couldn't solved it LOLOL :upsidedow

wasn't his fault, more than it is anyone elses fault when they get conned??? WTF.

They weren't some un known person that Shap took a chance with and he got burned. THEY ARE KNOW CONTENT THEIVES!

you know the stuff you suppose to learn on day 1, don't do business with known theives. he choose to do so and take the chance don't compare this to other people getting conned. Most people are smart enough not to do business with known theives.

Exactly.

What I don't understand is why some of these guys even bother to try and justify it. You know what you're doing. You know what the sponsors you do business with are doing. Maybe it's a guilt issue or internal moral crisis so you feel a need to justify it to yourself somehow by looking the other way or hoping someone thinks you're doing the right thing.

Notice the guys who speak out against a tube site, but still push the same sponsors heavily that allow the tube sites to monetize their traffic? I think it's funny when they speak up at all about it, because it's so transparent.

The reality is that someone's going to take the traffic, and get the benefit no matter what. No matter how much it damages anyone else. If it isn't you, it'll be your competitor.

The rest of you think it matters, but haven't you figured out by now that it doesn't? There's no one of consequence choosing not to do business with the sponsors who support this kind of thing. They won't be too concerned with the loss of traffic or sales from the typical insignificant webmaster (or GFY'er).

"This video has been removed."

Lol