I have been here since day1 of this board, but never once saw myself as a "Bro" but just as you I always standup for what I believe in. I will support others that in my eyes are stand up as well. Shap is one person in my eyes, that has always tried to do the right thing and I totally understand the situation that He, You, Myself, and any other content producers are in and its time to adapt is the whole point and don't think he's doing this out of greed, but out of business reasoning.

For Example, you are willing to give affiliates content to promote your site on TGPs, MGPs, and etc which are also full of stolen content, but I would never accuse you of trying to sabotage someone else's business. However, Shap has made the choice to at least do what he can to protect his business/content and suddenly he's the bad guy? I just think that's a little one sided.

Fuck... sometimes I'm amazed that people can be so thick. How about telling sites like this to fuck off. Not allowing them to become an affiliate and then have you pay them to stay up. You can not be this fucking stupid. See, it's not a matter of them becoming a super hero for anyone... it's a matter of saying "Your entire site is a bunch of stolen content... clean it up and we might work with you, till then please remove all of our content from your site."

But, in the real world that's not going to happen. Rebtubes etc will find people like this that will pay them. And as your have again clearly pointed out, Twisty's is one of those people.

I never said he was a "bad" guy. I just find a flaw with his approach in this matter.

Wizzo isn't a bro. :)

Looks like it's time to retire this
http://www.amateurcleavage.com/gfy/shap.jpg

Reminds me of the old days with TGPs. People will change their minds, adapt and will continue to make money. Others will just fade away...


I am an adult webmaster 4 life.

ha Lenny sucks at Photoshop. use the distort tool.

This thread is filled with bullshit.

Bottom line is that Twistys has made a business decision to support content theft and the thieves behind it.

Their decision is both unethical and damaging to both the industry and themselves. By supporting and FUNDING illegal sites like redtube, they allow illegal tubes to easily profit from the exploitation of others.

Obviously Twistys is not looking long term with their decision and one can only assume they are fattening up for a program sale. :2 cents:

Talk about a brick wall. You don't understand the difference between legal and illegal tube sites. No one here doubts the use of "tube"technology.

How is that different than programs that support TGPs, MGPs, and Search Engine traffic? They all have stolen content like tubes, and yet its OK to accept their traffic.

Wizzo you got a great program but your trying waaaay too hard.

what TGP and MGP's have all stolen content? hasn't been that way in years - there are so many programs with high quality exclusive content that stealing content for galleries isn't done very much.

Search engines don't host adult content.

If you are using 1 programs content to promote another that's stolen content and happens ALL the time...

But they do profit from it... :pimp

can someone please show me all this stolen content on my site, or please fuck off...thank you

Really? Cause I know for a fact I have seen my content used on galleries, that do not have promote my sites, being pushed from every major TGP on the market.

Some of the biggest tgp's and tgp traffic brokers deal almost exclusively in stolen content on self hosted galleries, since most the times the ads rotate out.



Maybe I see this because I own content?

show me Doc ?

Good for you Shemp:thumbsup

Umm... Hosted galleries, you link to them and you have no way to prove who the owner of the content is when they strip off the stamps.

fucking off.... but only for you Shemp! :winkwink:


Have a great night all... :pimp

What the tube sites are doing has been going on since the beginning of the Internet. The only thing that has changed is that they have found a way to aggregate all of the stolen content into larger and easier to access "pools", and at an accelerated pace. The catalyst for this was allowing surfers to upload content. The fuel on the fire is the widespread increase of broadband access.

You also have to be careful how you use the word stolen. If a guy joins your site and downloads a video then uploads it to a tube site, who do you go after? Sounds a lot like the mp3 problem from a while back, and the RIAA is still fighting a losing battle there.

If you put content on the Internet, it is going to get stolen, guaranteed. You have to do your best to protect it without pissing of your paying customers, but anything you do is just delaying the inevitable. Once it gets out there you have to pick and choose your battles and monetize it when you can. If anyone thinks we are going to sue the "bad" tube sites into oblivion, then I think you are overestimating the power of this industry to do anything constructive as a group.

i've changed my stance a little in the sense that for years i have put my own balls and reputation on the line trying to get people to unite on things like 2257, .XXX, Piracy, and i've just grown a little weary of trying to unite a bunch of renegades that are in it for themselves. being around some of the people that i was at the xbiz show, and paying attention to the vibe i was getting from many of the people there, i got the sense that its still very much a Me Me Me thing. No one is uniting on anything. The piracy seminar was a very small fraction of the people at the show. I walked into the hallway during the seminar and to the pool, only to see the hallway and pool area SLAMMED with people chilling and laughing. That piracy seminar should have been standing room only. The one we organized here at the Sheraton in L.A. was more populated. You would think with all the bitching and moaning and "I'm gonna sue you" shit going on, that more people would have cared enough to attend. With the amount of producers in SoCal, that room should have been jammed to the rafters. Its despicable. Sad. Unnerving even.

So, with that said, I've lost my "lets get em team" attitude and am now focused on ME and those who put money in my ban accounts and their interests. I do not believe that this industry can unite. With that said, I am damn sure gonna make well that I will be ok when the shit goes down. I will make decisions to protect myself and the people who put money in my bank accounts. For everyone else, good luck. I talked, the majority of the industry cared not. This is not my battle to fight. I believe that the failure of this industry to unite will one day be it's downfall. In other industries, even thought the companies hate each other, they all unite to stand strong in the face of adversities. We cannot do that. Too many egos.

I wish everyone luck though and i support those that will take an active stance in protecting their intellectual property. I don't walk on water, but I'm giving up carrying the torch for an industry that can't focus on a core issue for longer than it takes to type a post and hit submit in a fit of rage. No one will see me flagrantly posting anymore about things outside the realm of BROness anymore, I will deal with those other ways and actually do more damage by not posting about them. If I've disappointed anyone with my decision to not give a fuck anymore, my apologies. I've got money to make and this thing has taken enough of my valuable time. I've got the PAK Group thing started and thats enough for me.

I am available for consulting at a rate of 1,000,000 USD per hour though. :1orglaugh

I currently can't find any Tubes or Torrents with my movies on them. Just like I can't find galleries with my stolen content.


But yet, both have happened..

sure, but please dont generalize like that...i go to a lot of extra work to know my submitters and get a lot of personal info on them...stolen content is not acceptable on my site....and i would delete the content and the submitter in a heartbeat...thanks :)

Xnxxx also owns Xvideos.com, another huge tube site.

http://www.xvideos.com/?k=raven+riley+

And most Tubes will remove a video once they know it's stolen. Not all, but Red Tube does. Just like you.

You have been in the game a long time, you will have rules, you will have a trust factor with submitters. But newer TGP's don't have that, and neither do tubes.

Just because you keep your shit clean doesn't mean your trades do. Part of this argument is getting "any" traffic from sources that have stolen material, or benefit from it in any way. After all, not all tube content is stolen.

BTW, I can show you a "paysite tour" stealing my big dick content. I would bet you have listed his galleries.

You are a hopeless romantic, but its cute.

But all I am saying really is people need to police thier own shit and work where it is possible to generate income. It is irresponsible of other companies to just let thier content go stolen and do nothing at all. Blame them.

Its part of the new environment and when you see this from the new perspective maybe you will realise you are cussing out the wrong guy.

Chimpanzee's on roller blades?

I seriously hope you are joking - you can not possibly be this clueless.

Last night I found a gallery on a tgp that had ripped all 16 of its images from one of my fhgs and then pointed to a different site. The thief neglected to remove my watermarks and even USED MY IMAGE FOR THE THUMBNAIL!!! The worst part is that the gallery was a free hosted gallery from the sponsor. YES, THE SPONSOR MADE THE GALLERY AND THEN MADE IT AVAILABLE TO ANY AFFILIATES. I can not prove the tgp owner who approved it knew it was stolen content - but they would have to be pretty dense not to when my galleries are and have been listed on their tgp for years.

There are few people in this industry with any ethics - it is a fact. Adult is a get rich, renagade industry. The problem is when real business people try to prosper they quickly come to the realization that adult is the most ass-backwards industry on the face of the earth.

Theft is theft and supporting it should be considered treason, punishable by death in the adult industry.

Hmm. Not many lines to read between there. You sounded a little resigned in this thread, which is why I asked.

I understand what you're saying and totally understand and respect it Airek.

The bottom line of this is that the adult industry is keep sticking to the mentality of offering more and more for free making the product it sells less and less attractive. I doesn't have to do with ppl that can adapt and those that can't anymore. It has exceeded these borders and it's hurting itself for long time now. Oh well.... nothing new.

Doc, if you can show me a gallery on my site that that is using your content without your permission, a simple email will take care of it...i can promise you that...and whoever submitted it wont be submitting anymore...its always been that way...
you are giving the impression that tgps are full of stolen content, which isnt true...with so many free sponsor hosted galleries available...sponsors are falling over each other trying to give as much free stuff out as possible...there is no need to use stolen content on a TGP...

I dont see any similarity between illegal tube sites and tgps, i can see a trend to a legal tube site though and so be it...

I know that I can email you about any gallery issues. I haven't ever had an issue with a bigger TGP removing questionable galleries. I have never had a problem with a Tube site removing content either.

You run a clean TGP, just like several others run clean Tube sites. So it's not fair to them to group all Tubes into the illegal category, just like it isn't fair to say all TGPs deal in stolen content.

And on that note, with Shap working on a "clean" version of advertising on Red Tube, he isn't breaking any direct laws, making what he is doing legal and smart.

Or I could give this another twist... What about all the major companies that got hammered for spamming by the FTC?

Aren't those all your favorite programs that I see all time, posted here? Hell will76 openly supports a program that openly rips people off, but if you target stolen content, you are a thief?

Other than a few, most of us promote at least one of the companies that got busted spamming by the Gov. They admitted guilt and got fined. But that's okay, why?

i'm mentally beat to be honest. the time i wasted trying to get people to unite on this subject i could have invested in seo on my personal projects and made 1000's more in revenue.

:)

i feel like i'm letting down the good guys a little, but i'm still there, lurking in the shadows, watching.

im just hoping Shap will let me use 3 minute clips :)

I have never seen any porn site, anywhere anytime that is anywhere near as good as torrent sites like puretna etc. The problem isn't just the theft at tube and torrent sites...It's that they make it so damn eeeezzzzz.

Unique content is entirely irrelevant...How long will it be unique for exactly?
The adult industry is going to have to learn to monetize content in an environment where content is largely worthless. And to prove that point a lot of the larger TGP guys are now making most of their money by selling traffic, NOT subscriptions.

As far as Twisty's goes...I don't think you are right...But what else are you going to do nowadays?

As an aside to all this I have recently had some time off and spent a bit of it playing online games and listening into the chatter. All of the of 18-25 year olds online talked about porn in the form of torrents, and nothing else. I'm convinced that almost the entire next generation of surfers have already been conditioned to expect content for free.

All Twistys affiliates can use 3 minute clips to promote us. :thumbsup

Anybody who's logged in to our affiliate area knows we don't hold back on content we give our affiliates to use. I believe we current have 4500 photosets and 1500 videos for our affiliates to choose from.

Redtube has built traffic based on stolen full length movies. That is a fucking fact. To then try to convince people it is ok because there are no stolen full length videos on the specific pages a sponsor advertises on so it is all somehow ok is so fucking funny it is a JOKE. I honestly cannot believe that I am reading what I am reading.

[QUOTE=Shap;13782507]All Twistys affiliates can use 3 minute clips to promote us. :thumbsup

QUOTE]

excellent, thanks
:)

Hey Shap you have to admit, pretty sad state of affairs this business is in.. I mean take a look at these sites. They have FULL member areas open for free and most of the content is ripped off.. It's just not good for anybody anyway you look at it. I just hope one day we come to our senses and realize that it's gone too far..

I agree. I'll go a step further and say that besides paying for goods and services people are being conditioned that everything on the web should be free.

I invented Monitizing Content.

Our industry is headed in a very scary direction and it's headed there at a very high speed. Definitely a sad and scary state.

Fuck.......I love Twistys but something in this thread gave me diarrhea........


The problem I see with tubes is that "we" webmasters, owners and everyone working in adult makes money from making people pay to access that content and wack off to it.........if everyone starts giving it away........specially the ones with content worth paying for........what tha fuck is going to happen to this industry?..........guess this is scarry for smaller affiliates and not for affiliate programs:

[QUOTE=the Shemp;13782519]If you'd like us to build you a flash player and set it all up for you just let us know. We'll do all the work for you and let you sit back and collect the checks :thumbsup

Oh come on Ben, you act like RageCash hasn't ever done something a little shady. You guys haven't ever mailed an ex member? Never promoted a known spam company? Never did prechecks to those companies?

Come on.. What Shap is doing is 100 times cleaner than what your average program allows.

[QUOTE=Shap;13782555]absolutely, you can start on it right away.. :)

I would bet my life IF he has done anything shady it is not even close to advertising on sites FULL of stolen content and full length movies.

He doesn't advertise "next" to those things. He is using the traffic though.

Exactly like the programs that used to push on p2p networks with video popups and anyone who has ever marketed on newsgroups.