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Old 12-18-2007, 08:33 PM   #101
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As opposed to GW Bush?
Nah, hes light years ahead of Bush... but thats kinda like saying you can run faster than a man with no legs... not really an accomplishment
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Old 12-18-2007, 09:57 PM   #102
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You're assuming these women know who the fathers actually are. If the father doesn't work then sure he gets thrown in jail but it's still MY dime paying for his kids and now I'm paying for his incarceration too on top of it. That really doesn't help anything.
i am not assuming anything. i didn't make any absolute statements about anything. and i certainly didn't use the words "always", "everytime" and "without exception"

1) if the woman has no clue who the father of her child is...then unless she was raped, she is not fit to be a parent. i would say thats a pretty sound general rule.

Maury Povich devotes an hour everyday on TV to proving that very point.

2) the woman MAKES THE CHOICE TO HAVE A BABY... not the man

3) you are talking about a tiny minority... not the majority of cases. the point is simply that fathers ARE held accountable and pointing out exceptions does not disprove the general rule.

but you're right... it shouldn't be "our problem" when the father is in jail and we shouldn't be subsidizing and rewarding morons for being morons. the fact of the matter is that its not black and white and there are victims, exceptions etc. its a question of doing more harm than good when we do not discourage this behavior.

for me, the problem is that there aren't adequate negative consequences for bad choices and bad behavior. we reward women for shooting future inmates out of their vagina just as fast as they can do it. i think we tolerate far too much when it comes to parents and parenting and the shitty decisions they make and the lives they destroy.

am i the only one to remember welfare reforms? people do abuse and milk the system when they can. the core issue was simply that when you reward poor women for having babies... they have more babies.

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Old 12-18-2007, 10:20 PM   #103
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Remember the scene from Independence Day when all of the whack jobs are up on top of the building in LA....celebrating and welcoming the Aliens. And all of the sudden a huge fucking beam shoots down and right before it hits you see this "Oh Shit...." type of reaction and this stunned look on their faces like "what the fuck were we thinking"....?

That's Ron Paul supporters 3 months into his Presidential tenure.
The best post in this thread.
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:24 PM   #104
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The best post in this thread.
Biggest idiot of the thread.
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:27 PM   #105
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:27 PM   #106
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Getting nasty when people disagree dont remember calling you names? Free speech thats what the constitution gives us.
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:29 PM   #107
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Starting this thread caused at least 5 webmasters to get nothing accomplished today. ;)
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:36 PM   #108
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Starting this thread caused at least 5 webmasters to get nothing accomplished today. ;)
And it's still going

Hell knows what they expect from a candidate - one thing is certain - not one of em will deliver. It's like asking which tooth fairy you prefer and expect her to solve all problems
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:26 PM   #109
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Old 12-19-2007, 02:04 PM   #110
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