Christians - $660 million doller settlement to over 500 victims

[Red Ezra]

660 Million Settlement to over 500 victims - Christianity needs to be investigated - aint just a sin here folks - it's religion sponsored crime.

[Sarah_Jayne]

They should have made them face their day in court rather than buy out of facing responsibility - again.

[grumpy]

bunch of filthy cowards.

[Red Ezra]

how many blue collar god fearing christians contributed to this payoff? I wonder what they think of the new church?

[voa]

That is pretty much money.

[Nathan]

What is much more shocking to me is that they actually get get 660 million to pay to the victims. WTF do they have all that money for?

[WiredGuy]

Originally Posted by Nathan

What is much more shocking to me is that they actually get get 660 million to pay to the victims. WTF do they have all that money for?

The church is one of the richest organizations in the world. This 660 mil payment is a drop in the bucket to them.
WG

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by Nathan

What is much more shocking to me is that they actually get get 660 million to pay to the victims. WTF do they have all that money for?

Offering plates get filled at many, many churches around the world every Sunday and that is just the start. There is the practice of tithe where people pay 10 percent of their earnings to the church and many other ways that The Church gets rich.

[jonesonyou]

And people wonder what has happend to the world.

[who]

If I was supreme overlord of Earth I'd ban all organised religion.

[Iron Fist]

Now we we charged them property tax... I wonder how THAT would turn out.

[Emil]

It should have been 666 Million :P

[gornyhuy]

Are there any criminal proceedings? Or is it just fuckyoupayme?

[AaronM]

Christians?

Where?

I see a story about Catholics, not Christians.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by AaronM

Christians?

Where?

I see a story about Catholics, not Christians.

Well, last I heard Catholics were Christians. Which of course does not mean that all Christians are Catholic.

[Phoenix]

i would have asked for 20 virgins instead

[beemk]

what a crock of shit, spending peoples $ to get child molestors off scott free.

[Linkster]

And you can bet your ass that they will have to pay taxes on those settlements - of course all suing should be made illegal anyway - maybe we could afford medical bills again

[Mr Steele]

I posted this clip in another thread, but fits in perfectly here too

Louis Ck Learns About The Catholic Church

also

BBC's Sex Crimes And Vatican

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

Well, last I heard Catholics were Christians. Which of course does not mean that all Christians are Catholic.

Where did you hear that?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by AaronM

Christians?

Where?

I see a story about Catholics, not Christians.

Thank you, good to see someone has some intelligence here.

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by AaronM

Where did you hear that?

I learned it in Catholic school. First grade if I remember correctly.

[collegeboobies]

Why not just investigate the Catholics?

[Brother Bilo]

It's been going on for a long time. Priesthood used to be the "cure" for being gay, but I guess all it did was make them gay pedo's.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by AaronM

Where did you hear that?

I do hope you are just playing coy. Protestants and Catholics are both branches of Christianity. They are different denominations of Christianity with Christianity being based (broadly) on the belief in Jesus, his resurrection and the holy trilogy. The division between Protestant and Catholics and then the various denominations within is based on different ways of teaching the basics and the best way to conduct worship.

*best after school special voice* To further explore the connection of both Catholics and protestants to Christianity terms that would be of particular help would be "The Reformation" and "Martin Luther" (not King).

You could also just check out - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_denomination

[DaddyHalbucks]

That organization that has all the kettles at Christmas time is not a charity, it is a church. It rakes in over $100 million a year, just from the kettles. And it has paid for the legal defenses of numerous accused child molesters --its ministers.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Nathan

What is much more shocking to me is that they actually get get 660 million to pay to the victims. WTF do they have all that money for?

I am sorry, but do you know how to read?

The archdiocese will pay $250 million, insurance carriers will pay a combined $227 million and several religious orders will chip in $60 million. The remaining $123 million will come from litigation with religious orders.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

They should have made them face their day in court rather than buy out of facing responsibility - again.

Sounds like you have already convicted them.

Originally Posted by grumpy

bunch of filthy cowards.

Who? The alleged victims for not wanting to deal with years of trial proceedings?

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

Offering plates get filled at many, many churches around the world every Sunday and that is just the start. There is the practice of tithe where people pay 10 percent of their earnings to the church and many other ways that The Church gets rich.

I guess by "The Church" you are referring to the Catholic Church. Yeah, it seems pretty unreasonable that a 2,000 year old, international organization with billions of members might have some monetary assets.

Originally Posted by beemk

what a crock of shit, spending peoples $ to get child molestors off scott free.

Whose money is being spent? What people? I won't bother addressing the innocent until found guilty issue.

Originally Posted by collegeboobies

Why not just investigate the Catholics?

ummm, what?

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

They are different denominations of Christianity with Christianity being based (broadly) on the belief in Jesus, his resurrection and the holy trilogy.

Someone has been reading too much Tolkien or watching too many Star Wars movies.

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

That organization that has all the kettles at Christmas time is not a charity, it is a church. It rakes in over $100 million a year, just from the kettles. And it has paid for the legal defenses of numerous accused child molesters --its ministers.

Really? Where do you live? Here the people with the kettles are the Salvation Army and that is not a church.

[Sarah_Jayne]

I don't get the issues you are quoting from me Baddog...firstly, if I had been abused I would want the people that did it to face a court rather than pay away their responsibility. So, I am not convicting them but gee paying your way out of something does rather sound like some admission.

I did say "The Church" to mean the Catholic church as at that point in the thread that was what was being discussed and The Church (with a big C) is often referred to in such a manner as if almost a political body..well more than almost.

And as far as denominations ...I assume when you were training to be a teacher you had to take some history lessons and study religion in some way and at least the bits that majorly effected history like The Reformation. So, therefore you would know that denominations do exist and the basics of what they believe. You don't have to believe what those people believe but it doesn't stop it being true that a religion has branches, etc.

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

I do hope you are just playing coy. Protestants and Catholics are both branches of Christianity. They are different denominations of Christianity with Christianity being based (broadly) on the belief in Jesus, his resurrection and the holy trilogy. The division between Protestant and Catholics and then the various denominations within is based on different ways of teaching the basics and the best way to conduct worship.

*best after school special voice* To further explore the connection of both Catholics and protestants to Christianity terms that would be of particular help would be "The Reformation" and "Martin Luther" (not King).

You could also just check out - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_denomination

I guess you can twist religion any way you like.

Catholics and Protestants are vastly different. The protestants came about from those wishing to leave the Catholic church.

Catholics are not Christians. At least not according to my history classes, the churches I've attended, or the Bible itself.

I'm not going to get into a long drawn out debate with you simply because 1: I personally think any organised religion is a cult. 2: I don't have time to debate such an issue. 3: Anybody who is so uneducated as argue that Catholics are Christians is the kind of person who clearly overlooks the obvious facts. There is no need or way for me to convince them of anything other than what they already believe in. Of course...The same can be said form most people who believe in any sort of God....Which refers us back to point #1.

[Speigelau]

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

Well, last I heard Catholics were Christians. Which of course does not mean that all Christians are Catholic.

Roman Catholicism is not Christianity, please don't lump the Christian church in with the abuses of the Catholic church. Its not considered a "branch" of the Christian church either as you put it. This isn't the place to delve into some very profound doctrinal differences between the two.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

I don't get the issues you are quoting from me Baddog...firstly, if I had been abused I would want the people that did it to face a court rather than pay away their responsibility. So, I am not convicting them but gee paying your way out of something does rather sound like some admission.

You have been in England too long. There is a huge cost to go to court over something like this, and clearing off 500 cases in one plea agreement sounds like an economical decision to me.

While there is no question that there has been abuse, that does not mean that all 500 would be found in favor of the Plaintiff.

I did say "The Church" to mean the Catholic church as at that point in the thread that was what was being discussed and The Church (with a big C) is often referred to in such a manner as if almost a political body..well more than almost.

I only quoted this comment because you seemed to think it odd that an organization of that size would have significant assets. If I misunderstood, I apologize.

And as far as denominations ...I assume when you were training to be a teacher you had to take some history lessons and study religion in some way and at least the bits that majorly effected history like The Reformation. So, therefore you would know that denominations do exist and the basics of what they believe. You don't have to believe what those people believe but it doesn't stop it being true that a religion has branches, etc.

I wasn't disputing denominations with you, I was commenting on your calling the Holy Trinity the Holy Trilogy.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Catholics are too Christians and I was raised protestant so there is no real reason for me to be fighting their corner. What history classes did you have that didn't discuss Martin Luther?

I also am not religious these days but you don't have to be religious to know the make up of a religion and Protestants and Catholics are both Christians but different divisions of Christianity.

If I am uneducated on that matter than so is the vast majority of the rest the people that have been educated in regards to religions.

Go yourself to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Church and read the first line - "Roman Catholic Church or Catholic Church (see terminology below) is the Christian church in full communion with the Bishop of Rome"

then go to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant and read the first line there - "Protestantism or the Protestant Religion encompasses all forms of Christian faith and practice that originated with the doctrines of the Reformation."

or even go to the link I posted that you didn't read - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_denomination- and read that first line- "Christianity is composed of, but not limited to, five major divisions of Churches: Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Anglican and Protestant."

So, while I am sure it is possible that you were taught that Catholics aren't Christian, if I am uneducated than so are very many other people including those members of those denominations themselves.

Trust me, I wish I hadn't sat through many religious based courses in high school and university but I am not exactly ignorant on the subject.

So, tell me what a Christian is if it isn't a person that believes in Christ?

[pornguy]

You want to see what a joke that amount is, fly to Italy, and go to vatican city.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by AaronM

Catholics are not Christians. At least not according to my history classes, the churches I've attended, or the Bible itself.

Wrong. Any religion that accepts Christ as the Son of God is Christian. The Catholic Church was the first Christian church.

[D]

"I hope that I'm no longer an 'alleged' victim. Six hundred and sixty million dollars should take that alleged off," said another plaintiff, Steve Sanchez. "Cardinal Mahony got off cheap today.

Werd up.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by baddog

You have been in England too long. There is a huge cost to go to court over something like this, and clearing off 500 cases in one plea agreement sounds like an economical decision to me.

While there is no question that there has been abuse, that does not mean that all 500 would be found in favor of the Plaintiff.

Oh, I am sure not all cases would pan out but the Church (as a body) has publicly admitted cases have happened. On both sides I would either want to clear myself or make the person that did it face the real music. It is just a personal opinion.

Originally Posted by baddog

I only quoted this comment because you seemed to think it odd that an organization of that size would have significant assets. If I misunderstood, I apologize.

Yeah you did but that is okay, it happens. I was just trying to illustrate to somebody else that seemed to have trouble with it how money gets collected over the years. It is far from just Catholic too. I like visiting Canterbury often because it is a beautiful city and the Cathedral is an amazing bit of history but all I have to do is look at the building and then remember that outside of the gates was poverty. Then I have a hard time with the fact that the beautiful building was built on the money and sweat of those outside the gate.

Originally Posted by baddog

I wasn't disputing denominations with you, I was commenting on your calling the Holy Trinity the Holy Trilogy.[

LOL...fair enough..I really didn't catch that and I was caught up in the other debate. That actually is funny..I have too many Jedi friends I guess

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by Speigelau

Roman Catholicism is not Christianity, please don't lump the Christian church in with the abuses of the Catholic church. Its not considered a "branch" of the Christian church either as you put it. This isn't the place to delve into some very profound doctrinal differences between the two.

Yes it is and yes it is. Catholics were what Christianity was before there were protestants and the protestants (in very simplistic terms) are the Christians that decided not to be Catholic any longer. Both sides still remain Christian.

[Matt 26z]

Sarah is correct in saying that Catholics are Christians. The Catholic church's words and actions however do not speak for all of Christianity. Had there been molestations in any other Christian church people would have been fired immediately, and I'm pretty sure the churches wouldn't have had a problem with sending them to prison.

You've got to wonder how many of these claims are false though. It seems like a pretty easy way to get a million bucks. Just claim that your now deceased priest molested you when you were a child.

[woj]

and lawyers come out as winners once again -> "The plaintiffs' attorneys are expected to receive up to 40 percent of the settlement."

40% of 660 million is a nice chunk of change, heh

[GigoloMason]

How's that whole repression of sexuality workin over there? :x

[D]

Originally Posted by AaronM

I guess you can twist religion any way you like.

Catholics and Protestants are vastly different. The protestants came about from those wishing to leave the Catholic church.

Catholics are not Christians. At least not according to my history classes, the churches I've attended, or the Bible itself.

I'm not going to get into a long drawn out debate with you simply because 1: I personally think any organised religion is a cult. 2: I don't have time to debate such an issue. 3: Anybody who is so uneducated as argue that Catholics are Christians is the kind of person who clearly overlooks the obvious facts. There is no need or way for me to convince them of anything other than what they already believe in. Of course...The same can be said form most people who believe in any sort of God....Which refers us back to point #1.

err... I'm not sure what planet you've been taking history classes on, but Catholics are most certainly "Christians" in the view of Western History.

Sure, there were various acetic organizations that weren't supported by The Church (and it was called "The Church" - because it was the only one - the word "Catholic", itself, means "Universal"), but they were the minority... Especially since after Charlemagne, pretty much the entirety of the Christian World was Catholic until the Reformation movement started in the Proto-Renaissance.

I understand why Protestants would want to distance themselves from the whole Papal supremacy thing, but pretty much every religion that looks upon Jesus Christ as being more than just a prophet has its roots in Catholicism. And Catholics are, indeed, Christians, as they kinda started the whole 'Christ is our Savior' ball rolling.

Catholics are Christians.

But not all Christians are Catholics.

To suggest those that would argue that point are uneducated is to show a need for further education yourself.

[[db]]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Had there been molestations in any other Christian church people would have been fired immediately, and I'm pretty sure the churches wouldn't have had a problem with sending them to prison.

Bullshit.

[[db]]

"Abstinence makes the church grow fondlers"

Classic sticker that Consumption Junction sent me about 6 years ago. It's still on my filing cabinet.

I actually had one girl I was about to nail walk out of my house when she saw it.

[[db]]

Originally Posted by D

Catholics are Christians.

But not all Christians are Catholics.

Correct, and in a way it's too bad. Besides the whole molestation thing, Catholics are actually by far the least crazy type of Christian.

Catholics generally don't grow up to be fanatics. The most reasonable thing about them is that they don't believe in the whole "end times" Armageddon thing that leads Protestant nutters to not care about planet earth and cheer on war/nuclear war.

[[db]]

Originally Posted by AaronM

Catholics are not Christians. At least not according to my history classes, the churches I've attended, or the Bible itself.

ahahahaha, a gentleman and a scholar I see. I would seriously consider asking for a refund on your "education". Of course Catholics are Christians, don't be stupid. Where did you learn this "fact", some extremist evangelical church who believe any person who doesn't follow their craziness is the devil?

And, what part of the Bible are you talking about exactly? Did you just completely pull that out of your ass or what?

[Drake]

Originally Posted by woj

and lawyers come out as winners once again -> "The plaintiffs' attorneys are expected to receive up to 40 percent of the settlement."

40% of 660 million is a nice chunk of change, heh

Damn.... what a pay day.

[Doctor Dre]

Originally Posted by Nathan

What is much more shocking to me is that they actually get get 660 million to pay to the victims. WTF do they have all that money for?

l0ol
They controlled the whole europe and america for hundreads of years... they were more powerfull then governements.

10 % tax on everything for hundreads of years = cha ching

[Doctor Dre]

And this is Catholics priests at fault, not christians or christianity.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by [db]

"Abstinence makes the church grow fondlers"

Classic sticker that Consumption Junction sent me about 6 years ago. It's still on my filing cabinet.

I actually had one girl I was about to nail walk out of my house when she saw it.