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Old 06-10-2007, 11:58 AM   #51
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i would dump her, there is no way in a committed realationship that you should be sleeping with others.

people should be honest from the get go, i know it is hard to say to someone "i am still banging my ex husband" but this way no one gets hurt and both sides can also have their little flings on the side.

if a girl cheated on me it means she is not an honest person, and honesty is a huge quality a girl must have for me.
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Old 06-10-2007, 12:03 PM   #52
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if a girl cheated on me it means she is not an honest person, and honesty is a huge quality a girl must have for me.
Is it really cheating if she does it while the two of you are "just dating"?

I honestly had no idea those answering "no" to that question would outnumber the yes camp.
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Is it really cheating if she does it while the two of you are "just dating"?

I honestly had no idea those answering "no" to that question would outnumber the yes camp.
it depends then, i can tell when the line has been set of being committed.

if it is at that early stage then no it is not cheating, depends when the guidelines were set and what the guidelines are.

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this thread is about you are your roast beef ass girlfriend isnt it?
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no, it's not cheating - when you meet someone their dating history is none of your business - what matters is the current relationship and the boundaries you both choose to place on it - ultimately I personally believe all relationships should be "open" anyways, but that's a whole other story
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this thread is about you are your roast beef ass girlfriend isnt it?
ha ha, no. I'm thinking about making an assault on your girlfriend's roast beef pussy though and thought I'd do a little research on it first.

I see you'd be okay with it.
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I don't have time for games, lies, or bullshit in my relationships. Time is too precious for that. The very moment a woman doesn't live up to my expectations I drop kick them without a second thought.

Before I got married, my last girlfriend upset me, and I walked without a second thought. The best part was she kept coming back, begging, on her hands and knees.

No, in this case if she told me she was still banging her ex-husband I would have said "Well, let me know how that works for you. Laters".
You lost me . . . she was banging the ex until you arrived. What was she supposed to do, do out and find someone else to bang until she found you?
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For some, trust may only go so far when talking about possibly getting HIV.
She could bang anyone and get HIV. I would think an ex would be someone you could trust a little more than some guy she picked up in a bar.
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Read my first post closer. In the 3rd little paragraph I said "she is totally devoted to you from virtually the time you started officially being together and exclusive."

Rochard may have read that as for the first week or 2 of dating she was still banging him, and only after an exclusive relationship was established did she quit with her ex.

Does that change your stance at all?
If you are not exclusive, you are not exclusive. Have none of you juggled girlfriends/boyfriends?

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Interesting.

So, for the sake of argument, you yourself don't mind dating a guy and finding out later that he was screwing other people while you were "just dating"?

I'm kind of surprised by that. Most people I know would be of the mind that they wouldn't much like that. "You're either dating me or you're with other people, which is it?" kind of thing.

Very tolerant crowd on GFY today. It must be Sunday. :D
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Until we've had that "OK, we are exclusive" talk, IMO, all bets are off and you can sleep with whomever, whenever, you want. And TBH, it's smart to ASSume anyone you're sleeping with has been with or is a needle-sharing junkie, or maybe a bi-curious no-condom-using AIDS risk and you should protect yourself accordingly.
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Read my first post closer. In the 3rd little paragraph I said "she is totally devoted to you from virtually the time you started officially being together and exclusive."

Rochard may have read that as for the first week or 2 of dating she was still banging him, and only after an exclusive relationship was established did she quit with her ex.

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Interesting.

So, for the sake of argument, you yourself don't mind dating a guy and finding out later that he was screwing other people while you were "just dating"?

I'm kind of surprised by that. Most people I know would be of the mind that they wouldn't much like that. "You're either dating me or you're with other people, which is it?" kind of thing.

Very tolerant crowd on GFY today. It must be Sunday. :D
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Until we've had that "OK, we are exclusive" talk, IMO, all bets are off and you can sleep with whomever, whenever, you want. And TBH, it's smart to ASSume anyone you're sleeping with has been with or is a needle-sharing junkie, or maybe a bi-curious no-condom-using AIDS risk and you should protect yourself accordingly.
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Same as above.



Read you the first time. :D


So you are okay if a chick you're seeing is screwing her ex while "just dating" you, doesn't tell you until 2 months into the relationship when you are exclusive. That too is interesting.

I would have thought you'd be in the "I'd cut the bitch loose" camp.



Cool. Anyone else?
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well, considering that it was BEFORE she met the guy, it really doesn't matter. just my two cents anyways.
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Read you the first time. :D


So you are okay if a chick you're seeing is screwing her ex while "just dating" you, doesn't tell you until 2 months into the relationship when you are exclusive. That too is interesting.

I would have thought you'd be in the "I'd cut the bitch loose" camp.



Cool. Anyone else?
I think baddog gave up looking for a "love" type relationship a long time ago. I don't blame him really but from what he posts he doesn't seem to be looking for "the one".
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Same as above.



Who has time for that? I barely have time for one.
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Read you the first time. :D


So you are okay if a chick you're seeing is screwing her ex while "just dating" you, doesn't tell you until 2 months into the relationship when you are exclusive. That too is interesting.

I would have thought you'd be in the "I'd cut the bitch loose" camp.



Cool. Anyone else?
I am not really into "relationships." I always try to make sure my g/f's live at least 300 miles away.
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Quite perceptive.

If it happens, it happens, but I most certainly am not "looking" for it.
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Who has time for that? I barely have time for one.
The secret is letting them know from the gate that they are just one you are seeing.

When it gets fun is when three of them are at the same bar together and one is slightly psycho.
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A bit of a dismal view, but essentially correct in a general kind of way I suppose.

I have however met some pretty caring and kind, giving women over the years who think of others and the needs of others before their own, but in general I'd say that what you just said applies to a good many people

As for how what you said applies to this situation, one could be inclined to say that the very act of availing oneself of the availability of their ex for convenient "safe" gratification of their urges is in itself very selfish. While others would say it would be stupid NOT to, I find the space between those two views to be miles long and frankly, quite amusing. :D
i dont think its dismal at all. i think it is what it is. "to love" as a verb means basically means nothing more than treating someone in a certain way to elicit a response from that person which gives YOU a feeling of safety and security in the relationship... and to cause them to become emotionally dependent on you

i think that "loving someone" is nothing more than manipulation for selfish reasons. of course, its a bit like calling a retarded kid retarded. its not acceptable or politically correct and no doubt, anyone would read that and react with defensive remarks.... but the facts do not change, no matter how we want to dress them up or romanticize them. at the end of the day, we are just baboons trying to get by in life and convince ourselves that we aren't baboons.

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i dont think its dismal at all. i think it is what it is. "to love" as a verb means basically means nothing more than treating someone in a certain way to elicit a response from that person which gives YOU a feeling of safety and security in the relationship... and to cause them to become emotionally dependent on you

i think that "loving someone" is nothing more than manipulation for selfish reasons. of course, its a bit like calling a retarded kid retarded. its not acceptable or politically correct and no doubt, anyone would read that and react with defensive remarks.... but the facts do not change, no matter how we want to dress them up or romanticize them. at the end of the day, we are just baboons trying to get by in life and convince ourselves that we aren't baboons.
Do you think there is a difference between loving someone and being in love with them?
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Do you think there is a difference between loving someone and being in love with them?
i think "being in love" is nothing more than finding the fulfillment of ones own emotional needs... no matter what they might be and no matter how unhealthy they might be (i.e. women who seek out abusive relationships etc)

i would characterize one as manipulation

the other as being manipulated.

i would also say that i am not saying its a bad thing or negative thing. just saying thats how i see it.

i believe that i love my wife. but relationships are what they are... they are two people in a state of emotional co-dependence.
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i dont think its dismal at all. i think it is what it is. "to love" as a verb means basically means nothing more than treating someone in a certain way to elicit a response from that person which gives YOU a feeling of safety and security in the relationship... and to cause them to become emotionally dependent on you

i think that "loving someone" is nothing more than manipulation for selfish reasons. of course, its a bit like calling a retarded kid retarded. its not acceptable or politically correct and no doubt, anyone would read that and react with defensive remarks.... but the facts do not change, no matter how we want to dress them up or romanticize them. at the end of the day, we are just baboons trying to get by in life and convince ourselves that we aren't baboons.
Sorry but the way you put it sounds quite dismal to me just the same.

Good posts though.
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Depends... thought she may be the woman of your dreams, but was she supposed to be in a monogamous relationship with you? If not... all best are off.
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Of course there is. I love my father but I'm not IN love with him - eww!!

I think as I get older I tend to not really give a shit if someone's seeing someone else if we haven't agreed to be exclusive. Ditto I will continue to see others too. And if someone doesn't like it, I've also found that there's another guy about 2 steps away from the one you're seeing if the guy you're with isn't happy with things
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I guess that's it right there... it's the fact that there's a difference between "seeing someone else" and fucking someone else while dating you* that has some people being not too crazy about the idea.



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I probably prefer it.
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I guess that's it right there... it's the fact that there's a difference between "seeing someone else" and fucking someone else while dating you* that has some people being not too crazy about the idea.



*You as in you all, as in anyone.
TBH, I would rather someone be screwing their old ex with no emotion while we're not exclusive than taking the time to actually DATE someone. Dating is somehow more intimate than just screwing.

I have just decided being raised by a male has really skewed my estrogen
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I probably prefer it.
I knew there would be certain given exceptions to the question. You for example, and also people who are into swinging and devoted to the open lifestyle (like Badmunchkin mentioned earlier). Most of those types probably wouldn't mind if their partner had had sex with an ex during the dating process early-on.


But among the non-baddog's and non-swinging crowd the two sides are quite polarized if what's been posted here so far is any indication.

Personally speaking, having sex with someone means something. I prefer to have it with someone I truly care about and want to invest time and energy into building something with. Having meaningless sex with someone I otherwise don't have any interest in is to me just that... meaningless, and empty. Just to fill a need? Please, I can visit the palm sisters until I meet someone I want to be with. I don't see where it's too much to ask that the lady have similar values.

That might make a few of the so-called "tuff" guys here want to vomit violently, but I'm willing to take that risk. :D

But whether you disagree and think it's not big deal and would accept a woman regardless, or you feel so against it that you would dump her makes little difference to me, I'm not judging anyone. Again, I go on the premise of what works for you is what is right.


If anyone else has an opinion on this I'd love to hear it.
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Bonus: Almost all of my ex's are married, which is one line I WON'T cross, so you don't have to worry about me sleeping with them

but I do still keep up with them - sorry!
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but I do still keep up with them - sorry!
I'm actually very much not the jealous type at all. I think that is something Baddog and I might have in common as far as this subject goes.

I tend to trust until my trust is broken. Once it's broken, that's usually pretty much it though.


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breking up a 3,8 year relationship that meant a whole world to you is something we need to talk about.Not this, this is normal.You haven't met this woman before, you started fresh and everything is just fine.I know that you were not talking about your personal life, it was just an example but...
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breking up a 3,8 year relationship that meant a whole world to you is something we need to talk about.Not this, this is normal.You haven't met this woman before, you started fresh and everything is just fine.I know that you were not talking about your personal life, it was just an example but...
So in your mind, longevity of the relationship matters most. Interesting. So if your wife or girlfriend of nearly 4 years drops the news on you that she was fucking another guy during the first few weeks of you dating her then it's grounds for a breakup, but if the relationship is only a few months old it's hardly worth worrying about, is that it?

Or am I reading you wrong?
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Old 06-10-2007, 06:41 PM   #84
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So in your mind, longevity of the relationship matters most. Interesting. So if your wife or girlfriend of nearly 4 years drops the news on you that she was fucking another guy during the first few weeks of you dating her then it's grounds for a breakup, but if the relationship is only a few months old it's hardly worth worrying about, is that it?

Or am I reading you wrong?
lol you are reding me wrong The things I wrote had nothing to do with the ex-husband fucking and stuff...I'm a girl btw
And if I would find out he was fucking his ex well, I'd probably break up, maybe cry if i like the guy...not fair at all
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...up until she met you she was casually banging her ex-husband? Maybe she tells you something along the lines of "it was nothing serious, he's still single, I was single, yada yada yada..."

Would you be pissed?

Moreover, would you dump her because of it?

Before you answer consider that she is totally devoted to you from virtually the time you started officially being together and exclusive. She is quite possibly everything you could want in a woman, except for this one thing.

And no, I'm not in this situation, but have been in similar situations in the past.


Discuss...


I don't quite understand what the issue is. Is there a banging grace period I don't know about?
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u must always hold it against her so when u fuck up. (And eventually u will) u can use this as an excuse.
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I don't quite understand what the issue is. Is there a banging grace period I don't know about?
I'm not saying that one way or the other. I'm simply interested in what your opinion might be were you to find yourself in such a situation. I know there are several variables that can come into play from situation to situation, which actuallys makes the conversation that much more interesting.

So you tell me, IS there a grace period?
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u must always hold it against her so when u fuck up. (And eventually u will) u can use this as an excuse.
true lol
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u must always hold it against her so when u fuck up. (And eventually u will) u can use this as an excuse.
Valid point. It's not like many women don't store, categorize and file away all your fuckups for future use.
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wouldnt matter to me.
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Valid point. It's not like many women don't store, categorize and file away all your fuckups for future use.
And share them with our friends

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You can't hold something she did before you against her. A lot of couples have sex after they are no longer together because it is a known factor.... it's really not an unusual thing. Don't miss out on a good thing over a silly personal thing that really has no realistic bearing on your relationship with her now.
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Think of it this way.... would you prefer she told you she was sleeping with random strangers she picked up in the bar a different one every night until she met you. The ex-hubby is not a bad pick lol.
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You can't hold something she did before you against her. A lot of couples have sex after they are no longer together because it is a known factor.... it's really not an unusual thing. Don't miss out on a good thing over a silly personal thing that really has no realistic bearing on your relationship with her now.
you can argue that ANYTHING has "no realistic bearing on the relationship with her now" ... but thats purely subjective reasoning. people look for signs and red flags based on their own experience and their own needs in a relationship contrasted against the type of relationship they are looking for. past behavior is the single best predictor of future behavior.

you can argue that her having a crack pipe in her purse means nothing because you didn't see her smoking crack. the list of arguments can go on forever.

at the end of the day, all you can do is ask yourself "am i comfortable with this" because there is no simple, black and white, one size fits all, answer. if the answer is "yes, absolutely!" carry on.. if the answer is "no, not really" then the faster you move on, the better it will be for everyone.
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You can't hold something she did before you against her.
LM, I hate to do this to you but *BONK*... you really do need to read the entire thread first, because not only has what you said already been brought up but it has been addressed, and the question actually goes deeper than that.


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you can argue that ANYTHING has "no realistic bearing on the relationship with her now" ... but thats purely subjective reasoning. people look for signs and red flags based on their own experience and their own needs in a relationship contrasted against the type of relationship they are looking for. past behavior is the single best predictor of future behavior.

you can argue that her having a crack pipe in her purse means nothing because you didn't see her smoking crack. the list of arguments can go on forever.

at the end of the day, all you can do is ask yourself "am i comfortable with this" because there is no simple, black and white, one size fits all, answer. if the answer is "yes, absolutely!" carry on.. if the answer is "no, not really" then the faster you move on, the better it will be for everyone.
I have a strong sense that over a pitcher of beer or two, you and I would have some very interesting conversation.
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I have a strong sense that over a pitcher of beer or two, you and I would have some very interesting conversation.
I have to say that from an outsider's perspective, it sounds like you are hitting on him.
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CD smith answer me this and others if they wish ok this isnt someone else its me. Been seeing this girl for about 3 months she is still married and was still living with her Husband when I meet her but alone in seperate rooms they have children. I was very casual with her and believe she needs to explore her new freedom witch she was doing she has now moved out setup her own place and has now ask me for an monogamous relationship.
I am still seeing another 4 women but havent had sex with any of them since I was asked.
Now should I lie because I'm fairly sure things will not work out with her and just have sex with the others as well or give it a chance.
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Nothing wrong with that... sex is sex and sex with your ex is often great.
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I have to say that from an outsider's perspective, it sounds like you are hitting on him.
I may have been, yes... in a manly no ma'amish kind of way. :D
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