I love alcohol! :) And I had a few last night..

haha, are you kidding?

People on coke just drink longer and harder.

Alcohol is definitely not a hard drug... there's a BIG difference.

I never understood why people are so proud of not trying drugs... Can someone clue me in? They are just like the "I will never have sex before marriage" or "I can't eat pork/beef/whatever because it's against my religion" idiots... being a brainwashed conformist idiot must be a bitch... I would think someone who peddles porn for a living would be a little more open minded than this...

(this isn't really directed at polish_aristocrat, just commenting in general)

Without alcohol, we probably never would have civilized.

Without civilization, we'd still be a hunter-gatherer society... eventually set to discover alcohol the moment we decided to start experimenting in regards to our environment.

Without civilization - not a whole lot in the "law" department.

:2 cents:

huh?

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Same thing for tobacco..

or maybe you dont commit to peer pressure, another way of looking at it maybe?

honestly, what's so good about alcohol anyway? the beer belly or the hang over?

i agree:2 cents:

how are you not a brainwashed conformist if you do try drugs simply to break the perception of being a conformist?

i've never tasted coffee or smoked a cigarette. not for any reason other than the fact that i was raised by a bunch of chain smoking rednecks and the very thought of trying either is a very disgusting notion to me

You mean peer pressured into trying drugs? You can only be pressured into doing something you don't want to do, otherwise it wouldn't really be "peer pressure", it would just a be a group activity.. and so, why wouldn't someone want to try drugs?

why would someone?

What makes you think people do drugs to break the perception of being a conformist? Most people who do drugs do it because they find them pleasurable... for some I suppose it might be a rebellion thing, but if they want to be non-conformist, they could just as easily, pierce their noses, get a tattoo, or do some other non-confirming thing...

I think it's pretty common knowledge that drugs are pleasurable... and if that's not enough, just for the sake of trying, same reason people try eating an octopus at a Chinese restaurant or go to some new bar/club that just got opened up 2 weeks ago...

you are the one using the term 'conformist' - my point was simply to point out the lapse in logic with the idea that by expecting a person to behave in a specific way to avoid being labled a conformist, they have became by definition, a conformist as they are conforming to another set of behaviors and expectations.

the whole idea of conformity in the way you are using it is stupid. a tattoo or piercing is a "non-conforming thing" - what about all the other idiots conforming the to idea that a tattoo or piercing is the non-conforming thing to do, so they do it, thus becoming a conformist.

meth is pleasurable? there are no negative consquences to using heroin? oxycotin is just another prescription drug?

you genuinely can't understand why people would set boundaries for themselves? and because they are not aligned with YOUR boundaries, they are "conformists"?

why don't more people punch people in the face who piss them off? thats pleasurable.

woj the reason i have never had heroin coke or any other class a drug is because of the negative effect. not because i dont want to because everyone else doesnt. i just dont want to fuck up my head and mess simple things up.

i have been told the good things about them and i have been told the bad. from the data the bad outways the good, it is my choice and i say no. there is nothing douschebaggish or conformist about that. i simply dont want to fuck up my life.

i guess a healthy diet makes you a conformist, because afterall, as the logic goes.... living on nacho's, cake, ice cream and beer is pleasurable, so that would be the diet of a non-conformist, which i guess has more positive connotations than i realized.

The whole "conformist" thing, was a poor word choice, it was just meant to illustrate that people do certain things without a logical reason...

There is really no need to bring meth or heroin into the discussion.. obviously for someone who has never tried drugs doing meth or heroin is not a good idea... Just like getting into a ferrari might not be a good idea for an un-experienced driver... for some people hard drugs may never be a good idea, just like I wouldn't let my mom drive a ferrari either, I know she would hurt herself...

Lets get off the "conformist" idea, it was a poor word choice, you are right...
and there is nothing wrong with a healthy diet, you eat healthy diet, because you want to be healthy... so that is completely logical and makes sense..

what's not logical is: I get hammered with alcohol every day, smoke 2 packs per day, but I will never smoke weed...

ahh... sorry. i just misunderstood you and wasn't paying attention and wrongly assumed your position.

people are irrational though, thats how we are. all of us. we cant possibly intellectualize a near infinite number of sights, sounds, sensations, colors, shapes, personal delimas, global delimas, wars, suffering and so on... so we take short cuts. we stereotype, we try very hard to break the world into black and white and create rules and boundaries for ourselves - not because they are rational or logical or correct, but because we would overload ourselves otherwise trying to figure shit out and think everything through to a logical conclusion.

we simply tell ourselves "this is good... that is bad... and gee, i really wonder who will win american idol tonight" to get by.

Most likely, if it weren't for alcohol, we would not have settled into permanent settlements.

The discovery and interest in alcohol brought with it the need to harvest large quantities of grain, and store large, heavy fermenting vessels while the product fermented.

And so, we converted as a hunting/gathering society and settled in cities. Civilization was born.

I agree.....

sitting on the fence on this one

There is a 2 fundamental difference between alcohol and other drugs. Alchohol doesn't have any bad effects on health (unless you are a heavyyy drinker). Also it doesn't create dependance (yes it does for some people but it's not even comparable to illegal drugs). Someone will probably mention that cigarette is bad for health and creates dependance, and I agree with you. I don't see why it shouldn't be treated as other drugs (except it would be hard to accomplish).

Huh,in Croatia will be civil war if alcohol will be banned.

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What's so good? Uh the time when you're actually DRUNK.

FACT: maz


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are you totally fucking retarded? seriously, you say some of the stupidest shit said on this board.

people began settling during the neolithic era because of agriculture and the ability to grow enough quantity of food to sustain themselves through the year... they did not settle because they finally had "agricultural skills necessary to make booze and party"

are you getting it?

people settled because they could grow food. i mean this is like 4th grade stuff.

How do you find something pleasurable before you try it?

well you need to drink a LOT before you get alcoholic, its not the same with other drugs + if you drink it in small amounts it is not bad for your body ... maybe thats why it is socially accepted :winkwink:

Err. No, I'm not _totally_ fucking retarded - at least in my estimation.

But I do get the feeling you have a much higher opinion of yourself than is warranted. :2 cents:

Quite a few people in academic circles agree that we likely settled because of the discovery of beer. I've heard the theory in more than one collegiate lecture, and have said the same in many lectures, myself.

Anyone with basic sense should be able to see how this parallels what you were taught in 4th grade, and hold so dear. The requirements for beer production are heavily based in agriculture.

Bottom line: It's a commonly accepted historical theory.

http://www.beerinstitute.org/tier.asp?bid=132
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...C0A9619482 60
http://beeradvocate.com/articles/721
http://beeradvocate.com/articles/673
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...0802715524&z=y
http://www.beerinstitute.org/tier.asp?bid=129
http://www.portsmouthbrewery.com/htm...oryofbeer.html
http://www.amazon.com/Beer-History-C.../dp/0380780518

Could go on and on here... but I assume you know how to use google yourself. Might wanna try that next time you find yourself in a similar situation.

i agree for sure

yeah right Einstein... "man started farming because of beer" - because they wanted grain to ferment and had no interested in food, growing food and sustaining themselves through the winter/year - and how do you know that? because a site like "the beer institute" or "beer advocate" told you so.

seriously, how stupid can you be?

ok now I feel bad..NOT!

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Im on gfy for 5 mins and the BS ive read already is truly amazing. This place just manages to attract to biggest fucking imbeciles on the internet.

True dat

You sir have the IQ of fucking donkey!

Alchohol is the most most abused addictive drug on the planet. Name another drug that leads to more deaths in this country. You think there are more violent crimes due to marijuana or alchohol? You think more domestic violence because of alchohol or marijauna? You can wrap up all the drugs together and the dui deaths do not come close to alchohol alone.

You sir win the trophy for biggest fucking idiot on GFY in the last twenty minutes. Congrats.