:thumbsup :thumbsup 98% of every good conspiracy flick is false , thats what makes it so catchy..

anyone who couldnt see through 98% of michael moore's bullshit is an idiot.. but its the 2% left over that scares me ..

Its so disgusting that people here still believe the government story about 9/11.

Seriously disgusting that people so stupid exist.

Didn't watch the tapes of Bin Laden, dunno if they're faked or not, but wanted to add Hollywood did a pretty good job at digitizing a dead Brandon Lee face onto an actor in the '94 The Crow.

WATCH LOOSE CHANGE

I think that the tape with him discussing the attack was found in Afganistan but my memory may not be correct. Also if my memory serves me well, he had already officially delcared war on the US by written declaration as well as verbal, not once but twice, prior to 9/11. Someone will correct me if my memory does not serve me well.

all you have to do is look at the very first transcript of this video of this thread to know its misleading.. the very first recording is of a firefighter telling the dispatcher that witness's told him they saw several explosions on floor 7 , 8 , 9 is what the transcript says , but anyone familiar with police/fire knows he meant floor 78 as in seven eight , meaning 78 not floor 7 , but of course explosions on floor 7 and 8 sound alot more intriguing

most of the firedept transcript were misleading infact , its clear several of the "explosions" they are talking about are the building collapsing , but its misconstrued as being "bombs" and several make it seem like they are in the building when infacts its firefighters in one building hearing the collaps of the other building.

Yes, everyone should watch loose change. And then when they are done they should visit this site: http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html which is the most thorough, line-by-line breakdown of the movie. It identifies every single lie, fallacy, bending-of-truth, etc.. in the film.

Dylan Avery is not a credible news source but he sure can make one hell of a movie.

forget all the details forget all the theoretical arguments and instead focus on the following three facts that are so insanely impossible yet happened..

#1 george bush's brother was head of security and his last day on the job was sept 11 , but he took his last day off.

#2 the fbi head of counter terrorism , the leading fbi expert on al queda , just happened to be the guy taking over the head of security at 9/11 , it was his first day on the job and he died in the attacks.

#3 a former pentagon official part of a taskforce defending the pentagon against attacks and who had done many flight simulations of terrorists flying planes into the pentagon , quit his job to become and airline pilot , and what do you know he happens to be the pilot that fly's into the pentagon..

thats some strange shit right there.. i have a few other strange tidbits too , but those are the most intriguing in my opinion ..

oh and wtc7 , seems pretty obvious they pulled it , but the fact they wont admit it is very strange , the owner was on t.v. saying they made the decision to pull the building because it was too damaged , and its not such an illogical decision if thats what they did , it prob was too damaged considering what was around it , the best option would be rebuild it.. but then why not say that..

Admittedly, I don't know all that much about the 9/11 conspiracies because frankly I don't care.

However, in 1998 the great Osama bin Laden issued a fatwa against the United States, for various reasons, declaring war. ObL was added to the FBI's Ten Most Wanted Fugitives List in 1999, and it wasn't because he had a funny looking beard. He has been linked to several United States Embassy bombings throughout Africa, the bombing of the USS Cole.

The guy is no saint. Even if he wasn't "really" behind 9/11, he sure wishes he was.

Yappo.

What does Michael Moore have to do with 9/11 tower-collapse conspiracy vids?

Michael Moore is right in that conservatives are ruining America by turning it into a society where it's every man, woman and child for themselves - that's not a conspiracy theory - it's the truth. Don't hijack my point to serve the truly evil, conservative agenda.

may i ask why the governement would want to blow up the towers? i dont see the point!!!!!!!!!!! to invade afghan..? why bin laden even took responsibilty????????? to invade iraq????????? they are not even making a profit out of those two.

sure i am always liberal to believe in huge conspiricies but can someone with knowledge tell me why they would destroy a countries finest buildings and all the wizz's in there plus the pentagon. i dont understand

For every documentary there are 50 anti-documentary documentaries, and 1,000 websites "dubunking" every other statement. "Believe nothing" has become my philosophy. Fucking democrats claim "The world is doomed". Republicans say "Everythings fine, buy more shit." Who cares?

:thumbsup for once i agree with you , its never good idea to mix known false data with questionable data especially when you know its false..

the movie brought up many good points , but it brought up many more easily disputed but sensational mistruths/lies some were misleading some were just lies.

:thumbsup for once i agree with you , its never good idea to mix known false data with questionable data especially when you know its false..

the movie brought up many good points , but it brought up many more easily disputed but sensational mistruths/lies some were misleading some were just lies.

those buildings contained masive amounts of data on the Bush family and his criminal buddies...especially WTC 7

they not only needed the excuse to go to war..they needed a way to get all t hose documents out of those buildings

Still around, dollarmansteve?


Actually I would love to know the truth with absolute certainty, as you claim to. Nothing would make me sleep better at night than knowing for sure who was behind what happened. I didn't start with a predisposition that someone besides Bin Laden was involved. The actions of our government and the reluctance to investigate, combined with the fake tape, and several other factors, have brought me to the conclusion that what we are being taught as irrefutable fact (Bin Laden was responsible for 9/11), is simply not true. Either our government knows who did it and does not want us to know, or they do not know with any certainty. They have no provided any evidence to the contrary besides false confession tapes that contradict Bin Laden's own earlier statements that he was not involved.



Yes, I would like that very much, I'm letting you know. Please show me the real truth you seem to have a monopoly on. I've already asked twice. I have never seen a rational explanation for the false confession, among other things.



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point #3............The world aint that fucking small. :winkwink: Very nice points, thanks SmokeyTheBear.

Agreed. Doesnt it feel nice to agree? :upsidedow

2 fiddys....,.

congrats to the winner

some crazy shit yo.

I just did some quick reading on Dylan Avery. He originally created Loose Change as a fictional story. After further research he decided maybe his fictional story had some truth to it and ran with that. LOL. Ok, I thought that was kind of funny.

I suppose I could find some truth to the existence of unicorns somewhere. Let me get back to you on that.

Yappo.

:winkwink:

Do you have any proof of that whatsoever? Or is that 100% speculation? If that's backed up by something I would love to know.

Sorry but believing something simply because you hear it and it fits your beliefs, makes you no better than those who blindly accept the government's story. :2 cents:

they both had vids with 9/11 in the title ?
whoah there dude i think you been sippin on the haterade a little early today.

moore is a showman , he does movies , that was my point. loose change is a movie not a documentry, untill they remove the inuendo's and such just like moore's films

the bush family has been under heavy investigation for many many years

Securities fraud...bank and loan fraud

oh shit..they were almost taken down for the savings and loan scams they ran in the 80's

look up Goerge bush in RICO files.

as for prrof on those buildings holding info on them....ill do your research for you and comeback with some

What I could never figure out is how can it be so hot to melt the steel in the buildings but not hot enough to melt the people standing in the same place?

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evid.../woman_wtc.jpg

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evid..._blackhole.jpg

lol, did dollarmansteve put me on ignore since page one? He's still posting but ignoring my question. I have to ask four times for him to back up something he said he would gladly back up on page one?

Or, are you just ignoring me because you realize that what you said is wrong, and maybe, just maybe, what you view as irrefutable fact could possible be wrong. Imagine that, not knowing everything beyond a reasonable doubt about an extremely complex situation.

I suppose we'll just have to agree that the Bin Laden tape is a fake. From that, the government authenticating it directly involves them in a conspiracy. hmm, Steve, looks like you're a conspiracy theorist after all.

Number of Christian Jews in Israel Doubles to 10,000
In Israel, the number of Christian Jews, known as Messianic Jews, has doubled in size to about 10,000 due to recent immigration waves.

Posted: Saturday, April 30 , 2005, 16:40 (BST)




In Israel, the number of Christian Jews, known as Messianic Jews, has doubled in size to about 10,000 due to recent immigration waves, according to Messianic leaders and evangelism opponents.

Eitan Shishkoff, the leader of a Messianic community in Haifa, located about 70 miles north of Jerusalem, says that there are roughly 10,000 members in 80 Messianic congregations around the country.

The population is twice that of 1980?s, when significant numbers of immigrants from the former Soviet Union began entering the country, according to the Jerusalem Post. Shishkoff says that 70 percent of the members in his congregation of 270 are from the Soviet Union.

In Israel, it is illegal for evangelism efforts to involve material benefits for prospective converts, according to the Jerusalem Post.

Yad L?Achim, and "anti-missionary" organisation opposed to "proselytism" since 1950, says that the Russian-speakers are being approached because of their "weak ties to Judaism and poor socioeconomic status," and are being "bought" through material benefits, according to the Post.

Shishkoff denies the allegation. "Maybe a few of our members first came in contact with us through the charity, but 98 percent of them didn?t ? make that 99.9 percent," he said.






Francis Helguero
Christian Today Correspondent

I know that members of their family were involved in the 80's savings and loan scandals. I know they are basically an organized crime family.

I have done plenty of research on this subject, but I have never read anything proving the claims you made, other than unreliable speculation. I asked if you had a source on this, because if true it would be interesting.

Don't get so touchy when someone asks you if you can back up an explosive comment like the one you just made. It's not called doing my research for me, it's called backing up a statement you made with anything besides pure speculation.

Personally I don't just repeat things I read somewhere on the internet. That is the kind of thing that hurts the 9/11 truth movement's credibility, and gives the government appologists an excuse to refuse to support an investigation.

Number of Christian Jews in Israel Doubles to 10,000
In Israel, the number of Christian Jews, known as Messianic Jews, has doubled in size to about 10,000 due to recent immigration waves.

Posted: Saturday, April 30 , 2005, 16:40 (BST)




In Israel, the number of Christian Jews, known as Messianic Jews, has doubled in size to about 10,000 due to recent immigration waves, according to Messianic leaders and evangelism opponents.

Eitan Shishkoff, the leader of a Messianic community in Haifa, located about 70 miles north of Jerusalem, says that there are roughly 10,000 members in 80 Messianic congregations around the country.

The population is twice that of 1980?s, when significant numbers of immigrants from the former Soviet Union began entering the country, according to the Jerusalem Post. Shishkoff says that 70 percent of the members in his congregation of 270 are from the Soviet Union.

In Israel, it is illegal for evangelism efforts to involve material benefits for prospective converts, according to the Jerusalem Post.

Yad L?Achim, and "anti-missionary" organisation opposed to "proselytism" since 1950, says that the Russian-speakers are being approached because of their "weak ties to Judaism and poor socioeconomic status," and are being "bought" through material benefits, according to the Post.

Shishkoff denies the allegation. "Maybe a few of our members first came in contact with us through the charity, but 98 percent of them didn?t ? make that 99.9 percent," he said.






Francis Helguero
Christian Today Correspondent

They have a nice article in Newsweek this week about america's craving for conspiracy's.

I hope this sexxysites charector isn't trying to ask me something, or insult me, which is what I would lean towards. He's on my ignore list, but I see him posting after me a couple times in this thread.


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If you are on this list, you no longer have the ability of wasting my time, so don't bother trying.

Is it online or the rag?

I think some conspiracies are very interesting. But it seems like some people get so wrapped in finding a conspiracy that they start ignoring rationale thought and actual facts. Some of the theories about Kennedy's assassination are great.

Yappo.

Number of Christian Jews in Israel Doubles to 10,000
In Israel, the number of Christian Jews, known as Messianic Jews, has doubled in size to about 10,000 due to recent immigration waves.

Posted: Saturday, April 30 , 2005, 16:40 (BST)




In Israel, the number of Christian Jews, known as Messianic Jews, has doubled in size to about 10,000 due to recent immigration waves, according to Messianic leaders and evangelism opponents.

Eitan Shishkoff, the leader of a Messianic community in Haifa, located about 70 miles north of Jerusalem, says that there are roughly 10,000 members in 80 Messianic congregations around the country.

The population is twice that of 1980?s, when significant numbers of immigrants from the former Soviet Union began entering the country, according to the Jerusalem Post. Shishkoff says that 70 percent of the members in his congregation of 270 are from the Soviet Union.

In Israel, it is illegal for evangelism efforts to involve material benefits for prospective converts, according to the Jerusalem Post.

Yad L?Achim, and "anti-missionary" organisation opposed to "proselytism" since 1950, says that the Russian-speakers are being approached because of their "weak ties to Judaism and poor socioeconomic status," and are being "bought" through material benefits, according to the Post.

Shishkoff denies the allegation. "Maybe a few of our members first came in contact with us through the charity, but 98 percent of them didn?t ? make that 99.9 percent," he said.






Francis Helguero
Christian Today Correspondent

I would think its more of a craving for a real investigation of 9/11.

this is just the tip of the iceberg..to really see how devious they are..look up the saving and loan fraud they did to the tune of a billion dollars in the 80's

http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york071002.asp
http://quest.cjonline.com/stories/09...07005881.shtml

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/005333.html
http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...nd+loan+frauds


you are being ruled by the mob...just smell the roses and enjoy

.....kind of like the end of Fight Club.