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In the mean time, here's what 1.1 seconds of searching on google turned up: Tod Rittenhouse is an expert in blast engineering from the international consulting engineering firm Weidlinger Associates. RITTENHOUSE: The exterior structure is comprised of columns. The vertical load bearing members and the horizontal elements called "beams." When the plane impacted the building, it severely damaged those exterior columns. The following fire further damaged the support columns. So it was a two step event; initial damage by plane and further damage or subsequent loss of structural stability that caused the building to fail. |
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http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/images/image157.jpg OH MY GOD .. it's like he morphed into the real bin laden. Maybe it's really a shape shifting alien. Real Bin Laden: http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/...ocs/osama2.jpg Quote:
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The evidence is all right in front of your face!! it's the best kind of evidence!! |
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thanks man..i always try to ameka joke when i can now seriously...my formal training? B.Sc. Mathematics...not a physics degree...but good enough id say....and you can quote some dude all you want and ill qoute one hundred others who say the opposite...then we can get our fathers and debate about who made the playground...it is not proof it is an opinion. the popular opinion out there, and also the most logical explanation is that these buildings were blasted apart....why else would they ship all the material to China without allowing it to be tested? Where did the molten steel come from? Where did the billions and billions in gold go? So man questions you ANTI's dont want to answer wait here comes looniemansteve to accuse someone of watching loose change again..lol |
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When someone comes forward with anything more than "they must have been explosives" then we'll talk. Ask any demolition expert and he (or she) will tell you that in order to blow up a building that big you need a lot of explosives, and they have to be placed at many, various places in the building. To this date there has not been one shred of evidence showing that anyone saw, heard, overheard, read, fly-on-the-wall, suspected, implied or otherwise determined ANYONE at ANY TIME planted explosives in the building. Getting them in and set up would be a MAJOR task. Concealing them from 15000+ office workers, janitors, etc. etc. would be nothing short of a miracle. Yet no one saw ANYTHING. And to this date, not one person (and it would have taken many) has come forward to admit they helped plant bombs that took the lives of 3000 fellow Americans ... And if you're absolutely convinced bombs were planted ... Why exactly must it have been a "conspiracy"? If you believe the bombs could have been planted undetected, then you must believe terrorists could have been the ones planting them... Now get on with your lives :) |
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ohhh man... you are getting so close to the truth.. you're like Mulder about to find his long lost sister. I am actually illuminati - a Rothschild to be exact. And I have been sent by the Grand Pubah to this message board to defend my family's grand conspiracy against our enemies - like you, because you are so close to toppling our grip on the world. Dude get real.. I have no agenda other than an intolerance for irrational thought. |
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9/11 conspiracy theories have maaaad wikiality.. :1orglaugh |
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You don't have an engineering degree, you haven't been to inspect the WTC, you weren't there when it happened. So basically, you're jumping to a 100% conclusion based on second hand facts and opinions. The funny part of it is you lambast anybody who has the nerve to agree with the official reporting when your information is no closer to first hand either. Do you see my point? It's no less ridiculous to believe the goverment part and parcel than it is to be "sure" the buildings were brought down by explosions. You don't know. As far being able to find 100's of descenting qualified experts, that's fine, except a few posts ago you were telling us how NOBODY with any kind of "formal or informal" training would believe explosvies were not used. It took me less than 1 second to debunk that theory. |
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And that is the real problem with the documentary: It really only shows evidence to support the conspiracy theory it's trying to get everyone to believe. It's far, far from objective and as I've said before, if you studied "critical analysis" in school (and still remember who to apply it!), you'll rip that video's credibility to shreds. |
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correction...research this yourself so you believe the sources...but i believe it was Neil Bush who took overr direct control of the security there in the months before the demolition. now...also look this up it is fact....all bomb sniffing dogs were taken out of those buildings during that time now also look this up it is fact...huge areas of the buildings were being closed down, especially in the basement....huge sections of the building were closed and only allowed personel were able to enter. plenty of time for a crack force to plant explosives..and no pesty german shephards who cant be bought to complain about the bombs they smell look it up....it is all there |
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I am glad you told me in person that you say things on GFY to get a reaction or I would be seriously concerned about you. |
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i have watched both versions...number two is better however these were just made for the semi casual observer i pay close attention to many news sources on the subject...if i had only seen loose change i wouldnt be giving this much attention..however i have watched viewed and studied alot more then one video made in someone basement |
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You have yet to explain how any of the key questions being asked are irrational. To me, just accepting someone's word on who committed these crimes is one of the most irrational things I've ever heard. "Oh, the government says it was Bin Laden? Then it's crazy to question that, despite the fact that they offer no proof he was involved or any explanation as to how they decided he was responsible". That sounds very irrational to me. I'm not a "conspiracy theorist" who thinks that a cruise missile hit the Pentagon and aliens destroyed the towers, I'm a New Yorker who was within jogging distance when it happened and I would like to see a public investigation, and those responsible held accountable. We deserve at least that much. Where's the evidence? So far they have offered us neither an investigation nor proof as to who was responsible. All they have offered us is endless war waged on an undefined enemy as our response. |
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bomb dogs are always in the WTC dude...ALWAYS...exceot right up to then planting explosives in the basement only helped the cause..it was the explosives planted through out the building that did it in |
wow, people are still debating this? lets move onto something else already...
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WTC collapses = controlled demolition is irrational. Why? Because there is absolutely no evidence to support such a theory but lots of evidence to the contrary. |
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Dollarmansteve, maybe you missed my post on the last page. Could you please show me your source on the debunking of the confession video?
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So I would then assume there were explosives all the way up the building? Explosives strong enough to do structural damage too ... so where exactly were they hiding? How did they get them up there, planted, and covered up so that nobody knew or saw anything? Hey, this isn't like bringing a tray of sandwiches up to the 83rd for Sally's birthday party - this is detonation experts carting thousands of pounds up a very big building and then concealing them until the fateful day. But beyond all the riff-raff about dogs, bombs, witnesses, etc. etc. I'm still confused how not one person responsible has come forward? If it was a giant conspiracy, hundreds of people at least were in on it. And at least a few of them must feel awfully bad about what happened ... yet, nothing... Okay, I'm back to work! |
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Not until the truth is revealed, looks like were gettin close:winkwink: |
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Looks just like the hotels in Las Vegas when they fall straight down. How can a building fall, that fast, straight down from a few fires? http://killtown.911review.org/video/...ollapse_sm.gif Larry Silverstein, the WTC leaseholder, said he decided that the smartest thing to do to the WTC 7 was to "pull it" when a NYFD commander told him that he wasn't sure they were going to be able to contain the fire in the building and said after they made the decision to "pull" the WTC 7, they "watched the building collapse." The term "pull" was used to describe the demolition of the WTC 6 days later. http://killtown.911review.org/images...rstein_pbs.jpg https://youtube.com/watch?v=6_Xs0Lb-Wqc&search=wtc7 |
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How the buildings came down is not my main concern. I'm not an engineer or a physics expert. To me the main issue is who is responsible. At this point nothing is proven, so you are right, it is irrational to say with certainty that explosives were used. However it is also irrational to say with certainty that explosives were not used. I disagree that is irrational to question how they came down. I have heard engineers claim that explosives were used. I have also not seen concrete evidence to the contrary, as you claim to have. Either way, to me this is a secondary point. I think the public should be demanding an investigation and beyond a reasonable doubt evidence that Bin Laden and co were behind the attacks. It's already three wars too late, but we're still owed that much. Until then, I can't rationally find reason to rule out the possibility that, if not directly involved, the government is covering up the truth about this tragedy. I don't see how any reasonable person can accept the government's claims until they are proven. To me it's like a kid accepting their mother telling them that if they make funny faces, their face will stay that way. We just believe it because that's what we're trained to do. |
I think Monkeys did it. Fucking Monkeys
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Yeah, the defining point in 21st century American history, the basis for our policy of endless war for the next 50+ years, the basis for the restriction of our civil rights and freedoms... let's just forget about it and move on to talking about what song is at the top of the charts. You know, the important things in life. I think I like your post bot better. |
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Extremely well said. "the defining point in 21st century American history" :thumbsup |
I didn't see the crashes, but I saw the buildings coming down. It was a perfectly (statistically improbable) symmetrical demolition job. I saw buildings taken down all my younger life - on movie sets, around the industrial area of town... if there was one charge off, the thing toppled dangerously, sideways... you have to be very precise and GOOD to get a building to fall down on itself so beautifully.
On top of it, like in any demolition, you could see the charges going off up and down in sequence, to weaken the lower levels progressively and give the least resisitance - and the least chance for out-of-control toppling - as it went straight down. My first thought was - they must have built it with those charges built in, in case something happened and their destruction with minimal surrounding damage and casualties was necessary. How anyone can look at that footage and think its NOT demolition is beyond me. |
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BTW, still no thank you for me educating you, you just continue to live on in ignorance. Number of Christian Jews in Israel Doubles to 10,000 In Israel, the number of Christian Jews, known as Messianic Jews, has doubled in size to about 10,000 due to recent immigration waves. Posted: Saturday, April 30 , 2005, 16:40 (BST) In Israel, the number of Christian Jews, known as Messianic Jews, has doubled in size to about 10,000 due to recent immigration waves, according to Messianic leaders and evangelism opponents. Eitan Shishkoff, the leader of a Messianic community in Haifa, located about 70 miles north of Jerusalem, says that there are roughly 10,000 members in 80 Messianic congregations around the country. The population is twice that of 1980?s, when significant numbers of immigrants from the former Soviet Union began entering the country, according to the Jerusalem Post. Shishkoff says that 70 percent of the members in his congregation of 270 are from the Soviet Union. In Israel, it is illegal for evangelism efforts to involve material benefits for prospective converts, according to the Jerusalem Post. Yad L?Achim, and "anti-missionary" organisation opposed to "proselytism" since 1950, says that the Russian-speakers are being approached because of their "weak ties to Judaism and poor socioeconomic status," and are being "bought" through material benefits, according to the Post. Shishkoff denies the allegation. "Maybe a few of our members first came in contact with us through the charity, but 98 percent of them didn?t ? make that 99.9 percent," he said. Francis Helguero Christian Today Correspondent |
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I haven't come across any "conspiracy theories" I'm comfortable with to date, but nor am I happy with the official line. My very first reaction after getting over the shock of seeing 911 "live" was to wonder who the heck was behind it. I have spent almost 40 years of my life studying the politics and people of the Middle East and while I can think of many groups who would approve of what happened on 911, I just cannot relate the planning and execution of those events with the arab character. Then there was the way that Al Quaida, formerly seen as a terrorist training camp no different from many others in North Africa and the Middle East was suddenly elevated to the status of global terror organization. There were all the obstacles that the White House put in the way of even official investigations. And above all, the hugely convenient coincidence that the group supposedly responsible for 911 was located in Afghanistan, a country which in April blew off our pipeline negoatiations and was the intended target of the forces we had been collecting in the Mediterranean since summer. Cynical as I am, I cannot bring myself to believe our government was actually involved in 911 and I tend to think the reported cock-ups were just that. However, given the dishonesty with which GW later manipulated (and continues to manipulate) public opinion over Iraq, I have no trouble believing that Bin Laden might have been blamed simply because that was a way to get Bush the public support he needed to invade Afghanistan. |
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Its too bad that the sheep dont stop going bah bah and open their wooly eyes. BTW, I am not a structual engineer. But I do know a professor that is one and he let me know exactly how that building came down. No explosives, sorry. Save that shit for television. |
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I am here to publicly admit that I planted the bomb on the 34th floor on July 7th, 2001.
-- I look at this stuff the same way I look at God, Heaven, and Hell. Its quite simple: I don't know. Who does really know? My dad, your dad, the Pakastani that gives me Slurpees every morning at 7/11? I always have to wonder about somebody that can raise their hand and say "I know the 100% truth"... how? We still don't know exactly how Kennedy was killed and yet we have people claiming they know exactly what happened on September 11th, 2001 in New York and Washington D.C. The only thing that I know 100% about September 11th, 2001 is that it is a day I will never forget. Yappo. |
Everyone should occasionaly watch a 9/11 collapse conspiracy video; not because there is any truth there, and not just because they are funny as hell in the way they try much too hard, but because it will boost your confidence in your ability to see through bullshit, even loads of slickly-produced bullshit vaguely disguised as pseudo-engineering.
This one is great: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...56561589268281 The narrator's attempt to sound credible and somewhat like a professional narrator is hilarious. |
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hmm sorry if i was to trust the opinion of someone i think logically you would trust someone who has tested steel thousands and thousand of times over someone who hasn't tested steel integrity.. but hey thats just me.. guess im just silly that way |
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