lawpal

I am a lawyer, and I think it is illegal. I wonder who the fuck his lawyer is that he can get away with it.

I won't post a link to the download because I don't want to piss off the people who run this site. (its in his daily videos under "Hot K-9 on redneck action!") I am only posting this, and his site link, to get some response and see what you other webmasters think.

WTF?

lawpal

Is he using servers in Amsterdam?

[Labret]

How is beast any more obscene than fisting and scat porn.

Under the law its all "obscene" and appeals to purient interest.

More people have been brought up on charges over fisting than beast.

The "act" of fucking an animal is illegal in only some states. Alot of states have no laws regarding bestiality.

What kinda lawyer are you?

jimmyf

better be careful if you go to that site... one of his links tried to write to my computer

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jimmyf

You are correct..

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Pete

Who gives a fuck what you "think" is it illegal or not???

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quiet

hey, back off. he's the lawpal.

The Machine

funny

quiet

i try.

Pete

You need to be carefull how you use words...I'll bet Lawpal knows that...I just caught him

quiet

doing what?

The Machine

you succeed too ;)

Pete

He said "I'm a lawyer and I "THINK" its illegal.

SO IS IT ILLEGAL OR NOT??? WHATS THE PROBLEM IF YOU JUST "THINK" ITS ILLEGAL?

Maybe find out FOR SURE if its illegal before you make an issue out of it

Dont you think?????

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The Machine

true

quiet

surely.

Pete

Maybe he should have said

I think I'm a lawyer and this is illegal

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CDSmith

Or ..... "I think I'm sure, but I'm a lawyer"

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dipshit moron retard

or, "I think lawyers are surely illegal"

Gary

Ya, well, im also a lawyer and i think its fine. Excuse me while i fist my dog.

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jimmyf

Maybe that's lawyer talk... "THINK"

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i think..therefore i spam..

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Mr.Fiction

Stile is in Canada. Not only is besiality legal up there, it's encouraged by the government.

quiet

damn straight. we even have medical coverage for it.

Gary

Its true, Canadians are known the world over as first class goat fuckers.

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Pete

Easy now gar' bear

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spanky

we need it for the polar bear niche

foe

those people post things a lot more nasty than bestiality

FlyingIguana

i'm sure stile doesn't want to find out that its illegal. by then the shit already hit the fan...

Seb From Holland

Yeah why not, just blame it on the Dutchies... like everything is legal here.


Wheeps, gotta run, need to buy some cocaine..

Seb.

Kimmykim

Who really cares? If it's not your site, then what does it matter?

Labret is correct, by the way, as much as it kills me to say it.

Pete

I do...stupid people bother me.

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lawpal

good one.

hey, I just call it like I see it. lots of lawyers have different opinions on what is acceptable. I said I "think" it is illegal because that is what I think. What I "think" is not the gospel. I never said it was. Whew, tough crowd. I feel like a white guy at the apollo theater.

lawpal

I think so.

lawpal

No, I disagree on this one. There is no clear answer, and no absolutes. This is a forum to discuss issues affecting adult websites, and I posted this thread because I was under the impression that adult webmasters might enjoy talking about and posting their opinions about topics that are viewed by the mainstream media and legal community as "illegal" and "controversial." You might not perceive bestiality as illegal, and like I said before, what I say is not the gospel (not by a long shot), but the point was to post an interesting thread.

After reading most of the responses all I see are a bunch of defensive posts, with people writing as if they are agitated by the fact that another webmaster posted bestiality and is getting traffic and an increasingly loyal surfing crowd from it with little fear of persecution.

So, don't like what I "think" - thats cool with me. Most people don't like to listen to lawyers. We learn to live with it as part of the territory.





Peace,
PAL

sexyavs

I am a lawyer, and I think it is illegal. I wonder who the fuck his lawyer is that he can get away with it.

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This is funny..
Im a lawyer and I think it is illegal?

Wanna ask your attorney if it is??

Man that cracks me up!

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Beastiality is actually not illegal in all the states of the U.S.

There is no federal law regarding it.

And im not an attorney or lawpal!

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Im also a part time vet, and i happen to know that animals love a big dick in their ass.

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Gary,


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pathfinder? oh, vet as in pet doctor...

Brad Mitchell

If I'm not mistaken Stile lives in Canada.

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Pete

When you say your a lawyer and you "Think" things are illegal and post them as being such, I think your a fuckin idiot!

lawpal

Thanks for sharing your feelings. However, what I "think" is based on the thoughts developed after reading the available literature on obscenity. In case you are not familiar with them, heres a couple for your future reference.

The current definition of obscenity requires the application of a three-part test enunciated by the Court in Miller v. California, 413 U.S. 15 (1973). Under the so-called "Miller Test," a jury from the jurisdiction where an obscenity charge is brought will decide whether the content in question is obscene by asking:

"(a) whether the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest,
(b) whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law, and
(c) whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value."

That in and of itself does not say "don't post pictures or videos of dogs fucking chicks", however, you are pretty fucking stupid if you think that some jury is going to render a verdict in your favor on an obscenity charge based upon an argument that the conduct is not obsence, and hence illegal.

The following 27 states have specific laws prohibiting sexual abuse of animals.

AR, CA, DE, GA, IA, ID, KS, LA, MD, ME, MA, MI, MN, MS, MT, NE, NY, NC, ND, OK, OR, PA, RI, SC, UT, VA, and WI

In 5 states animal sexual abuse is a felony.
DE, MI, NC, SC, and VA .

The rest of the states either have no laws against animal sexual acts or just don't address the issue. There is no Federal Law prohibiting bestiality.

The following foreign countries are known to have laws against animal sexual abuse.

Australia, Canada, New Zealand, United Kingdom.

You can check that research at http://www.asairs.com and at http://www.findlaw.com.

You can also check http://www.lectlaw.com/files/sex13.htm for a detailed state by state analysis of the applicable statutes and penalties.

The topic of bestiality and obscenity is also pretty clearly discussed by some of the preeminent obscenity lawyers around the nation. J.D. Obenberger, in particular (http://www.xxxlaw.net), published the Seven Circles of Internet Hell (published by YNOT news and The Adult Chamber) regarding obscene content. Here is a section on bestiality.

"3. "You and me and a Dog Named Boo". The defense of bestiality strikes me as just about the most difficult of all obscenity cases to defend. It is hard to show that attraction to the sexual congress of barnyard animals with people is part of what any community anywhere would consider a "healthy lust". (And the only work of literature that comes to my mind concerning it is the parodic Jonathon Branmeyer song, "Moo, Moo, I Love You", hardly a lyric love poem.) That suggests prurience. It is my sense that most of the images out there in this genre show women being sexually compromised by the animals, and this may have something to say about the attitudes of the fans of such images toward women. Not very healthy, not very PC. My hunch is that it is precisely the degradation of women in a grotesque manner that is the attraction here, and, let me tell you, not only will women almost certainly be members of any jury trying the case, but I doubt that a jury of all men would find it non-prurient very often, if at all. It would much more than challenge anyone's creativity to formulate some text content that would take it out of the realm of obscenity with serious literary, artistic, or scientific value. (And I don't think that setting up off-shore entities with off-shore servers will help those who pump it out: I think that circumstance will attract the curious attention of law enforcement more than any other factor.)"


Thank you again for your thoughts, that I am an idiot, but I tend to think you are for your uneducated response. You might be a decent person, but your a dumbass for speaking without knowing what you are talking about.

FATPad

I got to that point and stopped reading because I was laughing so hard.

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And yet another reason for me to move out of N.C.!!


This thread is fucking funny as hell.. and i dont think that its the weed thats doing it..


I know im going to hire a lawyer that will tell the prosicuter to gofuckhimself at the end of an argument..

UnseenWorld

I'm not a lawyer, so these are just my own understandings:

All of them (bestiality, fisting, and scat) are regarded as obscene. You seem to ignore the distinction between acts and images of acts. Taking a shit is not illegal in any jurisdiction (though where and when you do it might be). However, it may be illegal to distribute scat images. To my knowledge, taking them is illegal nowhere, it is the distribution which is illegal. Bestiality as an act, is not illegal everywhere. However, distribution of such images could be illegal almost everywhere, in the sense that what is obscene is not determined in advance, but is decided upon by police and prosecutors who submit them for consideration, and by judges and juries who do the actual determination.

Child pornography is different in that what it depicts is illegal, the resulting images are illegal, and the distribution of them is illegal. So, there are at least three different possible charges in the case of CP.

So, while in that sense some things might be regarded as more obscene than others, so what? If it's obscene and can land someone in jail, that's obscene enough, isn't it?

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UnseenWorld

Linking to it strikes me as possible being fairly unconducive to an American webmaster's legal health.

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UnseenWorld

I'm not an attorney, either, but one thing I do know is that obscenity is not delimited by the law and is left to the perceptions and persuasions of judges and juries.

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Kimmykim

My my, lawpal, if you want to use obscenity as a basis for illegality you better start marking fetish, gay, lesbian, hardcore, amateur gangbangs, oh wait, just go ahead and kick it all out for obscenity because somewhere, somehow, its ALL OBSCENE.

Find me 12 pillars of the community, church going, PTA, Knights of Columbus type folks, and I can get you a conviction on obscenity in ANY venue if I play my jury right and use my challenges well...

Bestiality is not illegal under any federal law, nor is any of the above -- only underage is against a federal law -- and as a matter of fact the sodomy laws which would cover most all bestiality aren't making any distinctions between man and animal in all but a handful of states. So that means the guy that does a chick anally is also violating the law in those states that he does a chicken anally.


I surely don't mean to be a bitch, but this is such an old topic of discussion that's been beat to death like the proverbial donkey's you know what, that people can't help but be blase about it.

Do a search and you'll see what I mean.

UnseenWorld

Well spake. There are a helluva lot of damnfools when it comes to obscenity on this chat board. No matter how many times you tell them that THEY do not get to decide what's obscene, some judge or jury just about anywhere in the US does, they don't get it.

Also, I'm not sure that offshore provides a shelter anymore. I remember seeing a magazine format TV show about a couple guys operating a mere gambling site offshore, and now they can't come back to the US because they'll be arrested as soon as they arrive. And this even though their entire business is located offshore. The problem as I recall is that while their business is offshore, many of their customers are here in the US, and they are US citizens. So, basically, stepping across the border and throwing a stone back in that breaks a window apparently doesn't give the stone thrower legal harbor, to use a probably weak analogy.

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UnseenWorld

True, but it's evident that we have many newbies on this board who come here with a lot of misinformation.

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