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woj · 06-01-2006, 01:40 PM

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Webby · 06-01-2006, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

translation: knowing nothing about the subject, I'll just spew my "hate America" drivel. its what I do.

Your favorite cliche is about others "hating America" - that bit is no surprise.

Learn the language idiot. The translation means "There appears to be an idiot born every millisecond in the US and gifted with the ability to talk shit at the expense of others".

Fortunately your bullshit does not represent that of your fellow countrymen.

12clicks · 06-01-2006, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

Your favorite cliche is about others "hating America" - that bit is no surprise.

as if you are anything other than a cliche.

its gotta kill America haters to be laughed at.

12clicks · 06-01-2006, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by germ

not everyone, just the middle/lower middle class, red state republican. (im from a red state btw) if you're in the upper class, it makes perfect sense to vote republican. tax breaks for all!

also, for reference, im neither liberal nor conservative. republican nor democrat. i have certain viewpoints that can coincide with both of those, and some that conflict with them both as well. so when i say what im saying, im not suggesting that everyone that doesnt believe the way i believe is wrong/stupid/has been tricked. im just saying that the republicans have hijacked religion as their tool to guarantee success, and a lot of people vote against their own financial interests because of that.

no, this is what you said:

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Originally Posted by germ

religion has been used to trick the majority of conservatives into voting republican..

if you would like to restate it, thats fine.
Also, if as you believe people voted against their financial interests, they should be respected for having convictions and a better sense of right and wrong than the democrats who keep pulling the "hand outs for all" lever.

directfiesta · 06-01-2006, 02:36 PM

I really don<t care ... i do find it funny tough, from a freedom spreading country...

They can spy and each other, imprison each other, execute each other ... as long as they keep that shit inside their borders ...

It is their house, if they feel like trashing it, be my guest.. Just don't litter on my property.

Webby · 06-01-2006, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

as if you are anything other than a cliche.

its gotta kill America haters to be laughed at.

Dream on in the pit of ignorance and arrogance

TheJimmy · 06-01-2006, 02:56 PM

I see the emergence of some new security products. Just more opportunities for gain. Paranoia is great sales leverage lol.

j/k (kinda)

but really, sad to see us sink deeper and deeper into public acceptance of big brotherhood

:/

FYI: I don't mind knowing that invasion of privacy has been going on for decades for mostly the right reasons and rarely the wrong ones...however the PUBLIC acceptance of it now is what's making me ill.

germ · 06-01-2006, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

no, this is what you said:

if you would like to restate it, thats fine.
Also, if as you believe people voted against their financial interests, they should be respected for having convictions and a better sense of right and wrong than the democrats who keep pulling the "hand outs for all" lever.

you're argueing with me as if im bashing all conservatives, and preaching liberal points of view from the mountain tops.

i think the current administration (which just so happens to be republican) has taken government corruption to a whole new level. i also think that most of the democrats are too scared of alienating voters like me (people that wont blindly vote for a person based on their party affiliation) that they wont stand up for their beliefs and call the shiesty republicans that are in office out on their bullshit.

so in short: republicans are crooks and liars and democrats are pussies and liars. death to politicians!!!

Webby · 06-01-2006, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

I really don't care ... i do find it funny tough, from a freedom spreading country...

They can spy and each other, imprison each other, execute each other ... as long as they keep that shit inside their borders ...

It is their house, if they feel like trashing it, be my guest.. Just don't litter on my property.

Oddly I kinda do care df. Got many good friends in the US and when you look at the complete fuckups (they are noteable and, hence a talking point, in comparison to any other westen countries), it makes ya grind teeth.

Some of these folks are miles above the sick US trolls on GFY and doing what can be described as "serving their country" at different levels. There is no perversity, hatred or political bullshit with em - makes ya feel sad for em when they are also defending/helping/serving the GFY scum.

12clicks · 06-01-2006, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

Dream on in the pit of ignorance and arrogance

arrogance? of course but the ignorance is all yours.

12clicks · 06-01-2006, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by germ

you're argueing with me as if im bashing all conservatives, and preaching liberal points of view from the mountain tops.

i think the current administration (which just so happens to be republican) has taken government corruption to a whole new level.

you say this but you can't back it up with any facts.

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Originally Posted by germ

i also think that most of the democrats are too scared of alienating voters like me (people that wont blindly vote for a person based on their party affiliation)

here we go again with the whole,"if they don't think like me, they're just blindly following party lines"
I'm not sure how old you are but once you reach a certain age, your beliefs don't sway with every propped up politician that comes along. they're pretty much fixed.
I, for example, loath the tax the rich crowd and hate weakness. therefore, I'd rather vote for a do-er knowing some things done will not work out than vote for a clown who promises the poor "what they deserve" (read: other peoples money) and talks and talks and talks while our enemy gets stronger.

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Originally Posted by germ

that they wont stand up for their beliefs and call the shiesty republicans that are in office out on their bullshit.

again, only YOU are man enoufgh to stand up to those that are wrong. (nice line putting yourself above the evil republicans and above those who won't stand against them.
how truly silly.

Webby · 06-01-2006, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

arrogance? of course but the ignorance is all yours.

Gawd.. you are such a retard

12clicks · 06-01-2006, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

Gawd.. you are such a retard

not bright enough to refute facts, the internt fool resorts to calling me a retard.

Webby · 06-01-2006, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

not bright enough to refute facts, the internt fool resorts to calling me a retard.

I was never even in any discussion with you to consider your facts.

The only blantantly obvious thing, based on your posts, is that you are a retard.

That fact is not on the table for "refuting".

12clicks · 06-01-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

I was never even in any discussion with you to consider your facts.

The only blantantly obvious thing, based on your posts, is that you are a retard.

That fact is not on the table for "refuting".

life is so simple for the clueless.

Webby · 06-01-2006, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

life is so simple for the clueless.

Get a life and have a nice day

pocketkangaroo · 06-01-2006, 05:54 PM

Does anyone ever read the source of the articles they put up? My god, 2 pages of arguing on an article written from a loony bin website.

12clicks · 06-01-2006, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Does anyone ever read the source of the articles they put up? My god, 2 pages of arguing on an article written from a loony bin website.

of course not. if you had to post facts, the liberals here would be deathly silent

pocketkangaroo · 06-01-2006, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

of course not. if you had to post facts, the liberals here would be deathly silent

I'm a moderate and I think if you want to bash Bush and his administration, there are plenty of other routes and sources you can use that don't come from PrisonPlanet.com.

spanky part 2 · 06-01-2006, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

I'm sorry. Are you advocating telling criminals about searches?
As you've pointed out, to conduct the search, there has to be a "a showing of reasonable necessity" and warrents issued by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC).

Now, which freedoms were lost here?
I'm really curious because I really want to get them back.

Here's the freedom that has been lost. In case you haven't been keeping up on current events, "your president" and his attorney general have decided they can sidestep the FISA court because we are at war. Hows that for trampling on our rights. If memory serves FISA has only said no twice since they have been around, and they give the warrants within hours, not days.

Tell me what could be so urgent that they needed to sidestep the court that was created for just such instances. I'm sure it was for our benefit, gimme a fucking break.

If you say it's a war on terror long enough people just might believe it. My question is to you, who decides that the "war on terror" is over?

spanky part 2 · 06-01-2006, 06:34 PM

Here's more brilliance from Bush' choice for homeland security. They are cutting 40% from the budget of NYC terrorism task force.

Fucking brilliant! The largest attack in US history and these idiots decide to cut their budget, and give more to cities like Omaha Nebraska.

How can you people not see that the current administration are a den of fools. Christ, Chertoff himself is on tape saying he isn't qualified for the position he is in.

germ · 06-01-2006, 11:59 PM

im done with this discussion. everything ive said has been completely taken out of context and had false accusations pinned to it.

you seem to have come to the conclusion that i am speaking against you, or your beliefs. id be willing to bet we agree on certain areas, and disagree on others. thats just the way things are.

while i respect your views and opinions, you choose to call mine "silly". i think that is a very poor way to carry on a debate or discussion, so i will refrain from doing so any further.

for the record: i dont have any ill feelings toward you, i respect your beliefs and opinions, and hope you have a wonderful day :D

Webby · 06-02-2006, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by spanky part 2

How can you people not see that the current administration are a den of fools. Christ, Chertoff himself is on tape saying he isn't qualified for the position he is in.

Hang on there spanky!

That's a bit aggressive!

Seriously.. sure they are, but not all are fools - they have an agenda, tho that prob does not include the welfare of the US. In any other western country - they'd be sacked.

I'd hate to be a witness to the actions of FEMA during this current hurricane season. Little doubts it's going to be another horror story. They are a total embarassment.

12clicks · 06-02-2006, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by germ

im done with this discussion. everything ive said has been completely taken out of context and had false accusations pinned to it.

if you're done, fine but please lets not pretend I've taken anything out of context or falsly accused you of something.
If you feel you're not getting your true thoughts across, I suggest you spend more time thinking before writing.

I have no hard feelings towards you either but I still think some of your ideas are silly.

12clicks · 06-02-2006, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by spanky part 2

Here's the freedom that has been lost. In case you haven't been keeping up on current events, "your president" and his attorney general have decided they can sidestep the FISA court because we are at war. Hows that for trampling on our rights. If memory serves FISA has only said no twice since they have been around, and they give the warrants within hours, not days.

as usual, the advocates for terrorist freedoms are mistaken.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=1537691
"""Internal Justice Department audits by the inspector general show that FISA warrants take anywhere from hours to weeks to get approved"""

again, no freedoms have been lost unless you're calling suspected terrorists outside of the country and if you are, I don't want your freedoms taken away, I want you dead.

12clicks · 06-02-2006, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by spanky part 2

Tell me what could be so urgent that they needed to sidestep the court that was created for just such instances. I'm sure it was for our benefit, gimme a fucking break.

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Originally Posted by spanky part 2

Fucking brilliant! The largest attack in US history.....

KRL · 06-02-2006, 06:09 AM

LOL, the funny part all the GFY people outside the US are laughing at us and I don't think they realize the NSA is getting even more info in real-time on all your calls and transcations.

As prying as the US intel agencies are domestically its even more invasive with our external spying programs.

And most other world governments monitor their people's activities just as much or more so.

spanky part 2 · 06-02-2006, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

as usual, the advocates for terrorist freedoms are mistaken.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=1537691
"""Internal Justice Department audits by the inspector general show that FISA warrants take anywhere from hours to weeks to get approved"""

again, no freedoms have been lost unless you're calling suspected terrorists outside of the country and if you are, I don't want your freedoms taken away, I want you dead.

You just don't get it. You are so blinded by your faith in the republican party. It starts out with "we are only spying on calls from outside the US" then it moves to " we are only collecting records on every call in the US" where do you think it goes next. Little by little our privacy is being eroded, and you think that it's ok. Maybe it is you who should move, because from where I am sitting, I am the one that is the patriot looking out for you.

spanky part 2 · 06-02-2006, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

as usual, the advocates for terrorist freedoms are
"""Internal Justice Department audits by the inspector general """

suspected terrorists outside of the country don't want your freedoms taken away

You like to take quotes out of context, so can I.

spanky part 2 · 06-02-2006, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Webby

Hang on there spanky!

That's a bit aggressive!

Seriously.. sure they are, but not all are fools - they have an agenda, tho that prob does not include the welfare of the US. In any other western country - they'd be sacked.

I'd hate to be a witness to the actions of FEMA during this current hurricane season. Little doubts it's going to be another horror story. They are a total embarassment.

"Heckuva job Brownie"

12clicks · 06-02-2006, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by spanky part 2

You just don't get it. You are so blinded by your faith in the republican party. It starts out with "we are only spying on calls from outside the US" then it moves to " we are only collecting records on every call in the US" where do you think it goes next. Little by little our privacy is being eroded, and you think that it's ok. Maybe it is you who should move, because from where I am sitting, I am the one that is the patriot looking out for you.

perhaps in fantasy land but in the real world, we're spying on calls made to and from suspected terrorists.
All else is an over active imagination.

12clicks · 06-02-2006, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by spanky part 2

You like to take quotes out of context, so can I.

difference is, you look silly in both posts.

AdultInsider Cloner · 06-02-2006, 09:08 AM

I'm glad I'm outta here soon

12clicks · 06-02-2006, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultInsider Cloner

I'm glad I'm outta here soon

me too.

crockett · 06-02-2006, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

I'm sorry. Are you advocating telling criminals about searches?
As you've pointed out, to conduct the search, there has to be a "a showing of reasonable necessity" and warrents issued by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC).

Now, which freedoms were lost here?
I'm really curious because I really want to get them back.

Umm not to bump this but this is the law that they can get speedy access to FISC court in times on emergency however the Bush admin has and is continuing to bypass FISC.

I'm not on the whole conspiracy bandwagon but this Admin has stepped over the lines many many times and yes they are bypassing FISC.

MaddCaz · 06-02-2006, 07:27 PM

so whats new

Webby · 06-02-2006, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KRL

LOL, the funny part all the GFY people outside the US are laughing at us and I don't think they realize the NSA is getting even more info in real-time on all your calls and transcations.

Before I assume anything KRL.. are folks supposed to be trembling in their shoes in the event the US NSA is monitoring their comms???

That's the best joke yet on GFY - Sure am trembling at the thought of assholes wasting their time listening to others laugh at them.

12clicks · 06-04-2006, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Umm not to bump this but this is the law that they can get speedy access to FISC court in times on emergency however the Bush admin has and is continuing to bypass FISC.

I'm not on the whole conspiracy bandwagon but this Admin has stepped over the lines many many times and yes they are bypassing FISC.

If the left would get a clue as to where the line is that they accuse the government of stepping over, they wouldn't sound so silly.
If the admin were doing something illegal, they would be prosecuted, not whined at.

crockett · 06-04-2006, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

If the left would get a clue as to where the line is that they accuse the government of stepping over, they wouldn't sound so silly.
If the admin were doing something illegal, they would be prosecuted, not whined at.

Rewriting the rules so you don't have to step over them is what the republicans are good at. It's starting to catch up with them.. How many of the top Republicans are under indictment and have had to step down for "family issues"?

Yea but of course they are all honest and have integrity because they are Republicans.. Your ship is sinking 12clicks..

12clicks · 06-04-2006, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Rewriting the rules so you don't have to step over them is what the republicans are good at. It's starting to catch up with them.. How many of the top Republicans are under indictment and have had to step down for "family issues"?

Yea but of course they are all honest and have integrity because they are Republicans.. Your ship is sinking 12clicks..

this thread is about spying. since I called you on your bullshit, its no surprise you want to switch gears.

but I'll call you on your second dopey idea too.
please list the *top* republicans who are under indictment.
I'll wait.

mikeyddddd · 06-04-2006, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Do we need to do the math here? Bush was only in office for 4 months prior to 911.

Bush was sworn in 1/20, almost 8 months before 9/11.

I would not mind if the government had everyone's fingerprints and DNA on file. It would speed up criminal investigations.

I like the idea of law enforcement agencies sharing information. Fewer crimes would slip through the cracks.

But, warrants should only be issued for probable cause before private information is gathered or communications are monitored.

Illegal activities should not be protected because the information has been classified and those who reveal unlawful acts should not be prosecuted because the information has been classified.

The government must keep some information secret in order to maintain security. Information and security agencies should not be used for political purposes as this administration has done.

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germ ( o Y o ) Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,108	im done with this discussion. everything ive said has been completely taken out of context and had false accusations pinned to it. you seem to have come to the conclusion that i am speaking against you, or your beliefs. id be willing to bet we agree on certain areas, and disagree on others. thats just the way things are. while i respect your views and opinions, you choose to call mine "silly". i think that is a very poor way to carry on a debate or discussion, so i will refrain from doing so any further. for the record: i dont have any ill feelings toward you, i respect your beliefs and opinions, and hope you have a wonderful day :D

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