50.,......

it's true i pulled that right from the ccbill admin, it goes down the page, for a bit at 21 then some less, but it's by far my best sponsor for retention. I just wonder why it stops at 21 months when it says lifetime rebills, but i am not too worried 21 months is not bad for 1 sign-up. I have a lot of ccbill sponsors that go well over 12months on average.

I'll leave it at that. But lets be realistic here. All join came on the same day and rebilled the same length... fishy.

Im not gonna tell where I send my revshare $$, summer is a beatch aint it :upsidedow

FallenMuffin... I tend to agree with you, I really do. I've been at this "game" for some time....

The bottom line is, some sites retain, and some do not. I've had sites I thought would "retain" that do not.. I've also had sites I never thought would rebill that do.

The gamble is what? and what does not?

Revshare is priceless! The company in my sig has made me more than any other sponsors combined, off of revshare income!

revshare works wonders for me - when there are slow sale times (xmas, spring, etc), the rebills make up for under-quota sales..

like it's been mentioned in the thread, it's a short term vs. long term thing

ftv used to rebill at up to 12 months for me.
Raven Riley still converts like nuts - especially on our new member's areas.

anyone with minimal business sense and money managing skills only cares about earning more $ per member that they send a sponsor.

hmmm, i forget took that screencap about a month ago to make a 120x60 banner, but that is when they last rebilled. might have been a hun listing?? fuck i don't know lol i am tired as shit, but no scam believe it or not.

for example tho howigotrich.com no refcode does about the same for me on average way over a year retention, creampie cathy too swingermoney ghostcash, just posted it as an example.

Okay... let's play... what site?

I just hate how this damn revshare sponsor converts on ccbill raw clicks :Oh crap

http://www.weboflinks.com/ccbill-diesel.JPG

$71 is the total sale not just your cut?

Use what pays you the most in the end .
PPS vs Revshare same difference . blahhh .
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you might want to rename that picture if you really want to keep it private :winkwink:

i have checks coming in from sponsors i have promoted 3 years ago, cause they rebill over and over.

if you have quality sites, you shouldnt have any worries

I used to submit galleries for a long time and didn't care about $$$/member, because when I was sending to PPS programs I was making 2-3 sales a day, when to quality revshare programs, 10-15 sales a day.

ccbill-diesel.JPG :winkwink:

ooooopppsss :winkwink:

maybe I named it like that because diesel is the worst converting sponsor I have.....nah :upsidedow

I just checked our statsremote quick stats. Guess who's at the bottom of the list and who's on the top when I click $$$/Sale row. Almost exclusively revshare at the bottom.
The only way revshare will make you more money with trial length/trial price/recur price being equal is if the pps shave some of your signups away.
If the content is exclusive (or otherwise a unique product) for the revshare sponsor comparisons are useless. So I conclude, only use revshare if there is no pps alternative.

I'll post our $ value per signup for any revshare sponsor on request.

in most cases is simmilar to the choice between having 100 dollars now or 150 in six months time, and there's no right choice IMO

PPS gives you money NOW that you can reinvest, revshare will see you trhough the summer ;)

I think it's a myth that over time revshare is equal to pps.
I've never seen stats to prove it, and looking at our stats I only see one sponsor over $30 that's not pill or dating related.
Lightspeedcash $30,16 but if I'm not mistaken they have no trials or expensive trials?

Some revshares do well in terms of vaule per member but that is without trials, and for most people they are going to get a lot more signups with sites that have trials

You miss the most important point, its not 100 sales at PPS versus 100 sales at revshare. Some PPS programs can make you 10 sales on one spot, some 30, some revshare program 20, some 50...You have to compare overall $$$. $$$/member is worthless, because you are not sending sales to programs, but traffic.

I totally agree with you boss, but most webmasters are going to make more with with pps trials sites then most revshare sites. From what i gather you sites do great without trials

thats true, trials are always easier to convert...it takes more knowledge to convert the full price

I do a lot more $$$ without default trials, so I never had to re-think my strategy :)

Yes, you have to examine the value of every hit sent out.
That I cannot easily see in statsremote - I'll have to go into our own tracking system since most pps sponsors cheat with their ratio (uniques).
But I'm quite certain revshare still can't beat pps.
And here's how. Our system calculates the value of each paysites outgoing clicks, and the higher the value the more clicks are sent out. No niche has a revshare sponsor as #1 where there is pps competition.

You know what you are doing, most webmasters don't

Totally meaningless stats, no matter what you are trying to prove. It is utterly irrelevant which payout method you use unless you pick the one which matches each sponsor.

The reason it's easy to argue that PPS is better is that most sites are rubbish and revshare is a waste of time on sites which make no attempt to retain their members. So be lazy, don't check out the sites you promote, do only PPS and you won't be wrong too many times. But you are leaving money on the table with every site which does retain: occasionally a lot of money.

Just a thing, we are not considering that a dollar of today worths more than a dollar from here to 8 months. (discount rate).

as far as galleries i couldnt agree with you any more. but we're talking if we were to send the sales to the same sponsor and picking either pps or revshare.