PPS vs. Rev Share results. Why I always pick PPS - GoFuckYourself.com

wedouglas · 05-26-2006, 03:38 PM

Just figured I'd share some stats. I will not name the sponsor. They offered both rev and pps in the beginning. I was revshare. I signed up to promote them quite a while back, but never got around to it and started promoting them in February with targetted traffic sent to two of their sites. Both sites performed very similar.

Site 1: 27926 1:230 53 Full, 60 Trials, 51 Rebills, 8 Multi Month Joins
Site 2: 21631 1:177 54 Full, 61 Trials, 63 Rebills, 7 Multi Month Joins

$/Join < PPS which was offered. That is from good traffic. This is why I always suggest PPS. I have never had a sponsor with revshare make more than PPS.

sacX · 05-26-2006, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wedouglas

I have never had a sponsor with revshare make more than PPS.

I have several sponsors that make *WAY* more on revshare.

wedouglas · 05-26-2006, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sacX

I have several sponsors that make *WAY* more on revshare.

Please share hahaha.

Sly · 05-26-2006, 03:51 PM

Those numbers show no comparison. I don't understand what exactly you're trying to prove. Furthermore, February was only 3 months ago, you can't gauge the full value of a member after only 3 months. Turn off all traffic to the rev-share account, then check back in 6 months and then again in 12 months and see what each member was worth. That would be a proper gauge.

I used to think the same until I found a few sponsors that over time have created members worth over $40 per trial. And that is with additional traffic and sales coming in, if I cut those off the full value per trial would probably average over $50.

BradM · 05-26-2006, 03:51 PM

wedouglas - try Braincash
Their sites retain an average of $71 for me right now. That's a tad higher than a $35 pps.

sacX · 05-26-2006, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wedouglas

Please share hahaha.

AFF, DTIserv.

Paparazzi · 05-26-2006, 03:52 PM

you just have to find the right ones...

wedouglas · 05-26-2006, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly

Those numbers show no comparison. I don't understand what exactly you're trying to prove. Furthermore, February was only 3 months ago, you can't gauge the full value of a member after only 3 months. Turn off all traffic to the rev-share account, then check back in 6 months and then again in 12 months and see what each member was worth. That would be a proper gauge.

I used to think the same until I found a few sponsors that over time have created members worth over $40 per trial. And that is with additional traffic and sales coming in, if I cut those off the full value per trial would probably average over $50.

I get more trials than rebills. And why does turning off all traffic prove anything? The point is that I am not turning off traffic.

Jace · 05-26-2006, 03:53 PM

There are plenty of affiliate of our site that have made well over $40-50 off the joins they have sent

and the sites I have promoted in the past have proven to be way more profitable than pps would have been for them

you just have to pick and choose your revshare site carefully and not throw traffic to the first one you see....research of your target always pays off in the end

wedouglas · 05-26-2006, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradM

wedouglas - try Braincash
Their sites retain an average of $71 for me right now. That's a tad higher than a $35 pps.

To what sites? I do about 5 joins a day to them. I have thought about testing revshare, but not sure. Had poor results with teen sites on revshare.

fallenmuffin · 05-26-2006, 03:57 PM

PPS - Short term
REV - Long term

Wanna get checks in 3 years from todays traffic? Then Rev Share.. just got your site up until that dream job comes along? Then PPS

REV SHARE always.... always.. no you don't understand.. always

beemk · 05-26-2006, 04:00 PM

it depends on the sites, theres very few sites that pay more for revshare.

beemk · 05-26-2006, 04:02 PM

also, i have several sponsors that after the members stopped rebilling i only made $10-20 per signup i sent. im sure a lot more sponsors are like that.

RRRED · 05-26-2006, 04:15 PM

wedouglas hey man!

You GOTTA check the members areas FIRST. Most sponsors will let you do this. You can tell within 2 minutes in there whether a surfer would enjoy or HATE the site.

Find out how often the updates are and how much content is added with each update. Also check to see how much abuse the member has to go through to even GET into the members area. Are they fighting a load of popups? Are they sifting through a big cluster fuck of upsells within the members areas?

Do they have to pay for anything once they get inside? Is it hard to determine what links are movies or feeds and which ones are upsells?

See look here what we do http://www3.karupspc.com/81559102/new.php? This link is right on the main tour page. It shows which model was added last week, how many pics there are, how many movies, and shows the setting in which the shots were taken.

andrej_NDC · 05-26-2006, 04:15 PM

I have always made more sales with revshare programs, much more...on the same traffic, so payout or rebills didn't bother me much. I made more $$$.

RRRED · 05-26-2006, 04:20 PM

Don't you wish all of our revshare guys were like this one?

aico · 05-26-2006, 04:31 PM

Those stats are pointless. What does the members area look like? That's how I base my decision on PPS or RevShare. I only do RevShare on sites that have members area that will retain members.

XxXotic · 05-26-2006, 05:07 PM

i have several 12+ month rebills with a few sponsors, i'd have been screwed on those with PPS. Your comparison doesnt really mean much, who's to say you pushed a site that knows how to keep members recurring anyway? Sites like that will always pay off better on PPS

Fucksakes · 05-26-2006, 05:09 PM

I normally pick pps, but with 21sexturycash I've been doing very well with recurring honestly, some days I make more recurring sales than I do normal sales.. check sig.

Screaming · 05-26-2006, 05:29 PM

RRRED lemme get the rest of that email addy

kektex · 05-26-2006, 06:02 PM

NSCash is the only sponsor that actually retains for me right now.Great sites = Lots of rebills.Simple.

bdld · 05-26-2006, 06:12 PM

it really does depend on the sponsor. do your research and you should be able to get a good idea of how a sponsor retains. ask the sponsor for trial to monthlyl membership percentage, avg subscription length, then take a look at whats promised in the tour vs. the members area and you could figure out the PPS equivalent.

Project-Shadow · 05-26-2006, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RRRED

Don't you wish all of our revshare guys were like this one?

I'd give him a free year pass.. he'll probably re-join again once that expires.

vod · 05-26-2006, 06:24 PM

Pay per signup is for the short term with more upfront money

Pay per recurring is for long term with more money in the End.

understand that if you do pay per recurring, make sure you use a company that does not recur subscriptions and rebills it's customers.

customers will come back for more if they like your content and price.

non-recurr billing = retention. try XonDemand, see sig...

axelcat · 05-26-2006, 06:27 PM

This is a good thread

woj · 05-26-2006, 06:43 PM

Those stats are completely useless, what you need to compare is $$/revshare vs $$/pps, what you showed is just bunch of meaningless numbers... and really, like sly said, you won't get accurate picture for at least another 8 months (assuming you started promoting that sponsor in feb or so)

woj · 05-26-2006, 06:47 PM

oh, and this is a perfect example why every newb is jumping on the pps bangwagon... They promote a site for 3 months, they notice "I get more trials than rebills." and then conclude that the revshare model sucks...

RogerV · 05-26-2006, 06:51 PM

we have both and we shoot exclusive content every week and keep our members sections updated so try us out.. www.PornoPushers.com

we convert amazing and retain very long

czarina · 05-26-2006, 06:56 PM

I always pick pay per signup too. Mostly with companies that pay more than $30. I especially like Adult.com and EpicCash

They both rock!

amateurcanada · 05-26-2006, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wedouglas

Please share hahaha.

We'll I can go on about how we do better then most - but we have stuck with the 60/40 split for a while and have no malicious tricks for the users. So with our live support, nice content and creativity members do stick around more.

GatorB · 05-26-2006, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj

Those stats are completely useless, what you need to compare is $$/revshare vs $$/pps, what you showed is just bunch of meaningless numbers... and really, like sly said, you won't get accurate picture for at least another 8 months (assuming you started promoting that sponsor in feb or so)

Well if you're someone like me that mainly uses PPC, you don't have 8 months to wait to see if it pays more. It's going to cost way more than the $3 you might make off of revshare for a trial then you have to HOPE that they rebill and then rebill over and over? Fuck that with PPS I know if I am making money or not RIGHT NOW. And that's what counts. What if you promote revshare and the company goes belly-up? Where's your money then?

beemk · 05-26-2006, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vod

Pay per signup is for the short term with more upfront money

Pay per recurring is for long term with more money in the End.

gfy myth #472

it depends on the site you're promoting.

beemk · 05-26-2006, 07:09 PM

anyone that says revshare with trials makes more than pps with trials i would like to see some stats to prove it.

wedouglas · 05-26-2006, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj

oh, and this is a perfect example why every newb is jumping on the pps bangwagon... They promote a site for 3 months, they notice "I get more trials than rebills." and then conclude that the revshare model sucks...

newb... hahaha. I'm set to probably make more sales than your post count this year.

RRRED · 05-26-2006, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Project-Shadow

I'd give him a free year pass.. he'll probably re-join again once that expires.

Hehe well I found out after I had posted this screenshot before that this guy only cancelled so he could resign up with his new credit card lol...

Wiggles · 05-26-2006, 07:18 PM

pps is good if you don't have a steady traffic flow, i do pps but if i know i can send like 5+ sales a day to a site then i'll do rev, well depending on the sponsor too, some sponsors rev sucks!

circlekhabib · 05-26-2006, 07:20 PM

Quote:

it depends on the sites, theres very few sites that pay more for revshare.

no sir, it depends on the niche. hardcore lovers of a niche
rebill forever. although finding, weeding them out and filtering
them takes more effort than just submitting a tgp gallery.

general vanilla type porn is better suited for pps but there is
more competition and saturation

defresto · 05-26-2006, 07:21 PM

If a sponsor don't offer PPS it means for me usually he can't retain his members with exeption of a couple ccbill sites that are owned by photographers themselves with very regular and exclusive updates. Sponsors that can offer PPS do so as they know most of adverts like PPS.

aico · 05-26-2006, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wedouglas

newb... hahaha. I'm set to probably make more sales than your post count this year.

"set to probably"

circlekhabib · 05-26-2006, 07:22 PM

and I personally never ever use revshare from
a sponsor offering pps nor do I use any pps sponsor
at this time outside of sexkey. don't trust a damn one of them.
as said above it is imperative to see the members area

beemk · 05-26-2006, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by circlekhabib

no sir, it depends on the niche. hardcore lovers of a niche
rebill forever. although finding, weeding them out and filtering
them takes more effort than just submitting a tgp gallery.

general vanilla type porn is better suited for pps but there is
more competition and saturation

proof?

78

wedouglas · 05-26-2006, 07:23 PM

Don't forget that rebills include trial conversions.

beemk · 05-26-2006, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by defresto

If a sponsor don't offer PPS it means for me usually he can't retain his members with exeption of a couple ccbill sites that are owned by photographers themselves with very regular and exclusive updates. Sponsors that can offer PPS do so as they know most of adverts like PPS.

did you ever think that mabye a sponsor can only make so much from member sales and have to rely on cross sales, upsells in the members area to ever be able to afford to pay out $35 for a trial?

wedouglas · 05-26-2006, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aico

"set to probably"

well he does have 20K posts and I;m going on stat remote estimates here

Theo · 05-26-2006, 07:27 PM

no offense but $/Join < PPS which was offered

means nothing

wedouglas · 05-26-2006, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

no offense but $/Join < PPS which was offered

means nothing

That is everything. I am making less per sale than I would with pps...

babymaker · 05-26-2006, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by circlekhabib

no sir, it depends on the niche. hardcore lovers of a niche
rebill forever. although finding, weeding them out and filtering
them takes more effort than just submitting a tgp gallery.

general vanilla type porn is better suited for pps but there is
more competition and saturation

Exactly I sell niche so revshare 90% of time.

This sponsor rebills 21months at a time then dies but 21 months is over $300 beats 35 any day

wedouglas · 05-26-2006, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by babymaker

Exactly I sell niche so revshare 90% of time.

This sponsor rebills 21months at a time then dies but 21 months is over $300 beats 35 any day

keep fishing for referral money

Theo · 05-26-2006, 07:35 PM

You are missing my point. Your thread title and subject tries to put revshare and pps into certain frames without you imho having seen the whole picture.

Were you provided with 3rd part stats so you can be 100% sure you were credited for all the sales you reffered to the PPS program?

wedouglas · 05-26-2006, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

You are missing my point. Your thread title and subject tries to put revshare and pps into certain frames without you imho having seen the whole picture.

Were you provided with 3rd part stats so you can be 100% sure you were credited for all the sales you reffered to the PPS program?

What do you mean?

05-26-2006, 03:38 PM	#1
wedouglas So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dearborn, MI Posts: 5,921	PPS vs. Rev Share results. Why I always pick PPS Just figured I'd share some stats. I will not name the sponsor. They offered both rev and pps in the beginning. I was revshare. I signed up to promote them quite a while back, but never got around to it and started promoting them in February with targetted traffic sent to two of their sites. Both sites performed very similar. Site 1: 27926 1:230 53 Full, 60 Trials, 51 Rebills, 8 Multi Month Joins Site 2: 21631 1:177 54 Full, 61 Trials, 63 Rebills, 7 Multi Month Joins $/Join < PPS which was offered. That is from good traffic. This is why I always suggest PPS. I have never had a sponsor with revshare make more than PPS.

05-26-2006, 03:52 PM	#7
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05-26-2006, 04:00 PM	#12
beemk CLICK HERE Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 20,829	it depends on the sites, theres very few sites that pay more for revshare. __________________ I host with Vacares

05-26-2006, 04:02 PM	#13
beemk CLICK HERE Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 20,829	also, i have several sponsors that after the members stopped rebilling i only made $10-20 per signup i sent. im sure a lot more sponsors are like that. __________________ I host with Vacares

05-26-2006, 05:07 PM	#18
XxXotic Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Da Swamps Posts: 8,500	i have several 12+ month rebills with a few sponsors, i'd have been screwed on those with PPS. Your comparison doesnt really mean much, who's to say you pushed a site that knows how to keep members recurring anyway? Sites like that will always pay off better on PPS __________________ Sponsors.. Tired of people not using your shitty RSS Feeds? Let Us Help You! Oxeo - Serious Hosting For Serious Webmasters. iCQ:135.887013

05-26-2006, 03:51 PM	#4
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05-26-2006, 03:51 PM	#5
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	wedouglas - try Braincash Their sites retain an average of $71 for me right now. That's a tad higher than a $35 pps.

05-26-2006, 03:53 PM	#9
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	There are plenty of affiliate of our site that have made well over $40-50 off the joins they have sent and the sites I have promoted in the past have proven to be way more profitable than pps would have been for them you just have to pick and choose your revshare site carefully and not throw traffic to the first one you see....research of your target always pays off in the end

05-26-2006, 03:57 PM	#11
fallenmuffin Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 8,170	PPS - Short term REV - Long term Wanna get checks in 3 years from todays traffic? Then Rev Share.. just got your site up until that dream job comes along? Then PPS REV SHARE always.... always.. no you don't understand.. always

05-26-2006, 04:15 PM	#14
RRRED Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WA Posts: 6,754	wedouglas hey man! You GOTTA check the members areas FIRST. Most sponsors will let you do this. You can tell within 2 minutes in there whether a surfer would enjoy or HATE the site. Find out how often the updates are and how much content is added with each update. Also check to see how much abuse the member has to go through to even GET into the members area. Are they fighting a load of popups? Are they sifting through a big cluster fuck of upsells within the members areas? Do they have to pay for anything once they get inside? Is it hard to determine what links are movies or feeds and which ones are upsells? See look here what we do http://www3.karupspc.com/81559102/new.php? This link is right on the main tour page. It shows which model was added last week, how many pics there are, how many movies, and shows the setting in which the shots were taken.

05-26-2006, 04:15 PM	#15
andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	I have always made more sales with revshare programs, much more...on the same traffic, so payout or rebills didn't bother me much. I made more $$$.

05-26-2006, 04:20 PM	#16
RRRED Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WA Posts: 6,754	Don't you wish all of our revshare guys were like this one?

05-26-2006, 04:31 PM	#17
aico Moo Moo Cow Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington State Posts: 14,748	Those stats are pointless. What does the members area look like? That's how I base my decision on PPS or RevShare. I only do RevShare on sites that have members area that will retain members.

05-26-2006, 05:09 PM	#19
Fucksakes Shit... Fuck! What the Hell? Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,567	I normally pick pps, but with 21sexturycash I've been doing very well with recurring honestly, some days I make more recurring sales than I do normal sales.. check sig.

05-26-2006, 05:29 PM	#20
Screaming I can change this!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 18,972	RRRED lemme get the rest of that email addy __________________

05-26-2006, 06:02 PM	#21
kektex Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: elkektex at gmail Posts: 1,813	NSCash is the only sponsor that actually retains for me right now.Great sites = Lots of rebills.Simple. __________________ exgfmovies.com, exgfclips.com, datesx.com, gayboards.com and more!

05-26-2006, 06:12 PM	#22
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	it really does depend on the sponsor. do your research and you should be able to get a good idea of how a sponsor retains. ask the sponsor for trial to monthlyl membership percentage, avg subscription length, then take a look at whats promised in the tour vs. the members area and you could figure out the PPS equivalent.

05-26-2006, 06:24 PM	#24
vod Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,510	Pay per signup is for the short term with more upfront money Pay per recurring is for long term with more money in the End. understand that if you do pay per recurring, make sure you use a company that does not recur subscriptions and rebills it's customers. customers will come back for more if they like your content and price. non-recurr billing = retention. try XonDemand, see sig... __________________ Adult Merchant Account

05-26-2006, 06:27 PM	#25
axelcat Adult Locals Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: West Coast Posts: 25,450	This is a good thread

05-26-2006, 06:43 PM	#26
woj <&(©¿©)&> Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 47,882	Those stats are completely useless, what you need to compare is $$/revshare vs $$/pps, what you showed is just bunch of meaningless numbers... and really, like sly said, you won't get accurate picture for at least another 8 months (assuming you started promoting that sponsor in feb or so) __________________ Custom Software Development, email: woj#at#wojfun#.#com to discuss details or skype: wojl2000 or gchat: wojfun or telegram: wojl2000 Affiliate program tools: Hosted Galleries Manager Banner Manager Video Manager Wordpress Affiliate Plugin Pic/Movie of the Day Fansign Generator Zip Manager

05-26-2006, 06:47 PM	#27
woj <&(©¿©)&> Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 47,882	oh, and this is a perfect example why every newb is jumping on the pps bangwagon... They promote a site for 3 months, they notice "I get more trials than rebills." and then conclude that the revshare model sucks... __________________ Custom Software Development, email: woj#at#wojfun#.#com to discuss details or skype: wojl2000 or gchat: wojfun or telegram: wojl2000 Affiliate program tools: Hosted Galleries Manager Banner Manager Video Manager Wordpress Affiliate Plugin Pic/Movie of the Day Fansign Generator Zip Manager

05-26-2006, 06:51 PM	#28
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05-26-2006, 06:56 PM	#29
czarina Webmaster Extraordinaire Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: A beautiful beach... Posts: 10,748	I always pick pay per signup too. Mostly with companies that pay more than $30. I especially like Adult.com and EpicCash They both rock!

05-26-2006, 07:09 PM	#33
beemk CLICK HERE Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 20,829	anyone that says revshare with trials makes more than pps with trials i would like to see some stats to prove it. __________________ I host with Vacares

05-26-2006, 07:18 PM	#36
Wiggles Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 14,423	pps is good if you don't have a steady traffic flow, i do pps but if i know i can send like 5+ sales a day to a site then i'll do rev, well depending on the sponsor too, some sponsors rev sucks! __________________ no sig

05-26-2006, 07:21 PM	#38
defresto Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 317	If a sponsor don't offer PPS it means for me usually he can't retain his members with exeption of a couple ccbill sites that are owned by photographers themselves with very regular and exclusive updates. Sponsors that can offer PPS do so as they know most of adverts like PPS.

05-26-2006, 07:22 PM	#40
circlekhabib Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 490	and I personally never ever use revshare from a sponsor offering pps nor do I use any pps sponsor at this time outside of sexkey. don't trust a damn one of them. as said above it is imperative to see the members area __________________ transexual sponsors

05-26-2006, 07:23 PM	#42
wedouglas So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dearborn, MI Posts: 5,921	Don't forget that rebills include trial conversions.

05-26-2006, 07:27 PM	#45
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	no offense but $/Join < PPS which was offered means nothing

05-26-2006, 07:35 PM	#49
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	You are missing my point. Your thread title and subject tries to put revshare and pps into certain frames without you imho having seen the whole picture. Were you provided with 3rd part stats so you can be 100% sure you were credited for all the sales you reffered to the PPS program?