I thought you have your own merchant account?

I think this is a really good point. Maybe the average person just has adult membership sites at a lower priority now. Our industry is pretty recession-proof, but not 100%

This is the first paycom ratio thread I've seen in quite some time.
During March the front page of GFY was littered with people complaining about ccbill ratios.
So perhaps it's not limited to one IPSP.

On another note, summer does start in 2 months, so starting last month is the time of year you figure the "scrub" would be highest.
Also it's still spring break in lots of places right?

i'm pretty sure gas prices arent the source of the problem.

omg, I didnt think anyone would recognize that quote! :1orglaugh

I like paycom, but jesus christ these ratios lately have been sucking ass... We saw a huge bump in numbers when we switched to nats, and the rebills are way lower than they should be this last week... Almost like someone pulled the plug on the rebill server...

I hope for the sake of paycom they get their shit together with throughput, because we will find alternative solutions if we have to, hell we are not even doing prechecked crosses right now, so it would not bug me one bit to pull the plug and move away..

I'll step up and say that I am one of the people having a big issue with accepting things are A-OK with paycom...

US Taxes are also due on the 15th... This COULD be one issue, but last year this time there was not such a drastic decrease.. so there is more to it... Gas, Heating, has always been an issue.. And always will be.. this was more drastic of a decrease than that..

wanna keep up the shenanigans with the pre-crossed x-sells and whatever else Paycom allows or encourages - don't be surprised when there are troubles- pay me now or pay me later. why do you think CCBILL is so much more conservative than Paycom? CCBILL will be the last third party processor standing - I hope when all the big PPS programs make CCBILL primary that CCBILL remains as conservative as they are to ensure the livlihoods of the thousands of small mom and pop paysite operators who made CCBILL.

Being an affiliate for many years I can only see that side of things but I can tell you that programs using Paycom are definitely showing a huge downward trend over the last month
I dont believe it has anything to do with recession, as in the past they have always sparked higher sales - and Ive lived through many summers where people complained of a slowdown but never really saw much effect from that except back more than 6 years ago when the college kids were posing a huge effect on sales and the day after Christmas saw the sales go off the hook - not anymore though.

Sil, on which businesses over time, have proven to be recession-proof: "Certain aspects of the entertainment industry and...uh, our thing." - Tony Soprano

As an affiliate doing basically the same thing since 1995, this is the biggest drop in sales over a two week period that I have ever seen. My sales across the board are down 60% from last month and last month was a pretty shity month to begin with.:(

I don't know what the cause is, but it covers all processors as far as I can tell. I started two weeks ago complaining about CCBill, but now it seems the sales are down for all of my non-ccbill sponsors as well.

I hope things pick up soon.:)

Lou

Our problems were related to them fucking really stupid shit up, not even mentioning the scrub\rebill issues we've had.

I get more frustrated by the fact it takes like an hour on the phone to even get their support to acknowledge the problem is most likely their fault hehe.

define contextual. For instance, what do you mean by contextual in this context?

Lou hit me up we do use our own merchant I set you up with an acount so all you send to is our merchant sites only. It is a large increase in conversions right now.

this is why we switched to CC Bill as our primary well over a year ago...

paycom rocks!

:eek7

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We haven't seen that much of difference in sales with the exception of the first 2 weeks in February there was a huge drop. After that is picked back up but things seem to have slowed down a little. We usually have Paycom for our first cascade and ccbill in our 2nd. We have switched CCBill to the 1st cascade and have not seen that much of a difference in signups. Sales are definitely slower than normal though so it is hard to say why.

I would say though that ever since credit card raised the minimum payments and bend over consumers with up to 29% interest things got worse. I had credit cards at 23% at one time and paid more than the minimum payment and my balance went up and I wasn't charging anything. I couldn't imagine having to pay 29%. I think because of this consumers credit cards are maxed out like never before. I checked and just yesterday we had over 100 declines which seems to go up and up. Anyone else see a huge increase in declines? Chargebacks and credits have gone up as well. All of these things tell me consumers have less money avaliable on their credit cards which might be the decrease in sales. Just my :2 cents:

Mark

haha i was just about to mention the new increased minimum monthly payments that visa was forced to comply with..it might be hurting surfers in t he pocketbook,

I'm assuming that Paycom tell you the reason for the decline in the Decline email, any trend there?

But if you really want to know what is happening get a bunch of people to sign up to you and/or others and see what the surfer experiences.

100.....,,.

yooooooO!!!

Wow, this is th biggest real & relevant drama thread in a long time. Did P1mpdog really start this? LOL

You blow the industry with 2 prechecked cross sales for years providing shitty content and same feeds everywhere, most of you shave your affiliates to cover your fucked up business and now when you start to get the shit back you complain .. STFU

You do make some intresting points, but it wil be a cold day in hell before webmasters accept low PPS payouts

those that wait their next paycheck to buy food possible no, we do great business with a lot of the rest :)

Come on not all of us are living check to check maybe only 90%

This day is around the corner.
Partnership programs tend to provide quality product and this type of business is much healthier for industry.
And why do you think they bitch paycom here?
Its getting hard to manage CB ratio vs shave vs low sales they get even thought using free memberships or trials.

Imagine how much potential customers our industry lost due to these triple charges. Its like buying TV in store and discover at home that you also bought a microwave with some fucking dinner table. I am sure you will buy in this shop again! LOL
Since lot of affiliates support this, of course its very attractive model of "business" and many copy it causing m/ore and more damage. But it looks like its going off soon. At least Paycom doesnt accept any new client with cross sales from what I heard.

Well considering gas is used in the making of everything we use (tractors and pesticids for food, plastics etc etc), everything is going up in price...

The drop of sales from "heating" issues should go away about the same time the "SUMMER slow down" starts, so wouldn't those two factors cross each other out and keep sales at a low point consistantly.

Also I thought the winter was better because more people are inside but how can it be better if they have to pay high heating bills?

I thought gas prices have been high for the last 3 years why would this be an issue now? I think actually right now they are still a little lower then when they were at an all time high 7 months ago.

The vast majority of people file before april 15th and i would say 9 out of 10 people get a refund check so how would this hurt things ?

If you guys believe that these issues affect your sales then you should also believe that since there are soo many of these factors out there you believe in that your sales would be low year round. there is ALWAYS something going on, if you only believe in these things when "your" sales are low then you are disproving your own theory.

Here is a little common sense way to figure out what is going on, and yes it is as simple as doing this.

First of all it has nothing to do with seasonal, weather, and political factors. Any given day just as many people are having a good day as bad, so that disproves that idea.

Narrow it down to issues related to the credit card and the credit card processor.

If other people using other processors or their own processors also see a sharp decline in sales right after these credit card changes went into affect (higher min payout, increased rates, etc.) If EVERYONE who uses a processor sees these effects then that is your problem. If some people using other processors do not see a decrease in sales then you can't blame it on new credit card policies, they would affect everyone.

The next thing to do would be to see if this is specific to paycom. If EVERYONE who uses paycom saw a sharp drop off recently and people using other processors are doing fine then you know your problem is paycom. If some people using paycom are doing fine then paycom is not your problem, if they had problems it would affect everyone. If this is the case you need to start looking harder on your end instead of pointing the finger at someone else.

This thread is getting better and better with all the different theories.....

How about we offer more free content...host it for free for all the affiliates...do all of your daily submits....give lifetime cookies so you users can join up again years later....tell them how to cancel as soon as they join for the $1.00 trial...give affiliates $10 for every cross sell....(maybe cookie those too) maybe do it with NO cross sells...NO EXIT CONSOLES...
maybe HAND deliver payouts....oh yeah..almost forgot PAY $40 per join for exclusive content...maybe $45 just so we can lose $$ on MORE joins per day........i just love to lose $$ it is why i am in biz.....

You fucking guys crack me up.....i have been in this game for 11 years and you can't even see the forest because of the trees.....

Paycom is definitely going through a transition....but if you are concerned about the overall health of the industry no need to look any farther than the mirror....

I would love to see a program that has a whopping $15 per join payout survive in this day and age....not happening.....:1orglaugh

conversions have been steadily declining for years.....the whole PPS model was an education in free porn......an educated surfer can get his porn for $1.00 per week.....not $40 per month...when they join every friday and cancel before even SEEING the member area.....but you would just LOVE it to have that cookied $30 per join every time he does that...yes?
does not make for a very long healthy business now does it.....

wait..lets count SECOND page uniques....wait...JOIN page uniques...wait...QUALIFIED join page uniques....LOL

here is an idea...maybe affiliates who constantly bitch about every little thing can START YOUR OWN FUCKING PAYSITE....then see how much a join is worth to you....

Sorry for the sunday rant..and this has been said many times in the past...but no one ever seems to listen......

This paycom thing is eventually going to bite a lot of programs in the ass maybe this will be the final nail to actually get programs to wake the fuck up....they ARE having more issues than normal...everyone can see that...but is it really PAYCOM that is the problem?

I think you just summed it all up. :thumbsup

Brilliant post, you said it all :thumbsup :thumbsup

yeh good post jim

good one jim

:)
duke

Not a single thing in this post is true lol

My mirror shows me the clean and cristal business history. We have a business model based on the quality. We never shaved and always bring more value of the content then we charge for. We invest a lot of money and create quality product using latest technologies. We pay 50% recurring and manage to run business steadly with creating new project every month. We never had a problem to pay for any service we used and all our models and employers get money on time. And we never had any prechecked cross sale.
There are many programs with same business model as we follow and from some reason they do all make quality work and provide great product.Lot of programs running with CCbill do manage to run honest business and yet very very profitable and valued for clients leaving them happy and rebilling for long periods and not because they have forgot to cancel.

Now tell me something, why every time we talk about companies who pay 30-40 usd per signup using prechecked cross sales, we end up with shitty content, spam, shave, thousands of tours leading to one lossy member area and often not even able to pay for the service they order from other companies? And now also with 1:5000+ ratios selling trials.

Can you tell me,using your 11 years experience, why?

The reason I mention ccbill here only because they never allowed this "aggresive" billing...

Cross sales checked or not are crap. If pps fine but for revshare that is bull.