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p1mpdogg · 04-08-2006, 03:32 AM

fuck you paycom. the last few months have been your worst ever. this is not an isoloated insident either.

MULTILE programs are seeing the same shit everywhere. this is not cross sale related, or spam repated etc etc. this is with programs large and small according to who I have spoke with. do you guys have anythiung you want to tell any of us that give you tens of thousands of dollars per month to process each????

Im really sick and fucking tired of 'things are normal', things are NOT normal when I hear 8 other programs that are unrelated and sell different products putting other processors live in the cascade before you. You are starting to concern alot of people, and leave it to me to speak up and put my ass on the line.

why did I post this here ? as a last resort becaiuse everytime you are contacted in private I and others get the same stupid ass run around.

WE WANTS ANSWERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Manowar · 04-08-2006, 03:33 AM

chadglni · 04-08-2006, 03:34 AM

Just bad ratios? More declines?

polish_aristocrat · 04-08-2006, 03:34 AM

and i thought the 1st reply in such threads is always "sig spot"

Manowar · 04-08-2006, 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

and i thought the 1st reply in such threads is always "sig spot"

i decided to be contextual

2HousePlague · 04-08-2006, 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

and i thought the 1st reply in such threads is always "sig spot"

It was.

2hp

Trax · 04-08-2006, 03:35 AM

sig spot fo sure

chadglni · 04-08-2006, 03:37 AM

p1mpdogg · 04-08-2006, 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadglni

Just bad ratios? More declines?

everything under the sun. Im not affraid to admit it.

ratios, rebills, credits, cb's the whole nine yards. I will not mention the other programs that have been talking in private, but they are way bigger than epic and alot smaller. so this is not isolated. something is up and I want answers.

p1mpdogg · 04-08-2006, 03:44 AM

I will say this though. If there any sponsors out there with the balls to post their issues that are related would be mich appreciated. You would be helping out this industry and your affiliates in the long run. Im not trying to bite the hand that feeds me, but this is just bad fucking business. If a senior exec wants to contact me and explain in detail my concerns and not give me the same excuse everytime I would appreciate it. I just want the truth. nothing more nothing less.

p1mpdogg · 04-08-2006, 03:49 AM

what really pisses me off, is the loyalty and our willingness to try our hardest to comply and change things to meet paycoms needs and requests. assist in outing scamming surfers and affiliates to ensue paycoms survival and do our part... and we get what in return? a line of bullshit.

I am fed up and can not keep quite about this any longer.

I hope the other programs having the same issues will speak up.

2HousePlague · 04-08-2006, 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

I will say this though. If there any sponsors out there with the balls to post their issues that are related would be mich appreciated. You would be helping out this industry and your affiliates in the long run. Im not trying to bite the hand that feeds me, but this is just bad fucking business. If a senior exec wants to contact me and explain in detail my concerns and not give me the same excuse everytime I would appreciate it. I just want the truth. nothing more nothing less.

Ya gotta have trust, to earn trust.

2hp

Ordo · 04-08-2006, 04:02 AM

I love CCbill.

hehe

Pendo · 04-08-2006, 04:05 AM

sig spot

bigdog · 04-08-2006, 04:11 AM

No one talks much shit about paycom, mostly everyone talks bad about ccbill it seems

p1mpdogg · 04-08-2006, 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdog

No one talks much shit about paycom, mostly everyone talks bad about ccbill it seems

imo, ccbill has poor initals but great rucurring and rebills.. paycom is the other weay around until the last few months

Damian_Maxcash · 04-08-2006, 04:33 AM

I had a problem with CBs last month - I use a small prog that details these things and I had 5 CBs.

Pretty bad when I only send these guys about 10 sales a month.

They appeared throughout the month so it wasnt just one rebill showing as 5 seperate trans.

I did post about it here.

Its a real pain - I want to get a small prog of my own running this year - The major problem is going to be procs though. Who can you trust these days?

bigdog · 04-08-2006, 04:40 AM

p1mpdogg have you tried any of the new processors out there like

365billing
segpay
Infinity Payment Systems

SomeCreep · 04-08-2006, 04:47 AM

Always remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

p1mpdogg · 04-08-2006, 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdog

p1mpdogg have you tried any of the new processors out there like

365billing
segpay
Infinity Payment Systems

when you have been doing business witha company for several yers, you dont just drop them, as I would hope paycom wouldnt do either. too much money ont ehtable for both aprties to play games with. with that said, I do have multiple backups in place for shit like this, but i prefer paycom. Im just very pissed at their perfromance and lack of action on the issue

mOrrI · 04-08-2006, 04:56 AM

Hum..
That sucks....
hope paycom says something about it...

TheSenator · 04-08-2006, 04:56 AM

speak up paycom....

Get this shit covered so we can move on.

Hinc · 04-08-2006, 05:07 AM

hmmm doesnt sound good.

Ray@TastyDollars · 04-08-2006, 05:12 AM

I have not seen an increase in CB's or a decrease in rebills. I have however see a huge decrease in sales, 30-40%. I'm not talking about just my program (to new to compare), I'm talking about programs that I have been pushing for years.

I have spoken to a couple of large programs and from what I understand there is a POSSIBILITY that we are experiencing another one of those situations where someone is installing some shit on surfers PC's causing join pages to redirect to their program. Just speculation maybe, but it seems to be the only REAL reason ive heard that could be causing this.

Ray

p1mpdogg · 04-08-2006, 05:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray

I have not seen an increase in CB's or a decrease in rebills. I have however see a huge decrease in sales, 30-40%. I'm not talking about just my program (to new to compare), I'm talking about programs that I have been pushing for years.

I have spoken to a couple of large programs and from what I understand there is a POSSIBILITY that we are experiencing another one of those situations where someone is installing some shit on surfers PC's causing join pages to redirect to their program. Just speculation maybe, but it seems to be the only REAL reason ive heard that could be causing this.

Ray

bingo. this is exactly what i am tlaking about... alot pf people getting mass amounts of CB's and credits aswell.....

DaddyHalbucks · 04-08-2006, 05:20 AM

Sorry to hear of the problems Bro.

I don't run any paysites. Good thing, I guess.

Glad you got the balls to get this subject in the open.

Ray@TastyDollars · 04-08-2006, 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

bingo. this is exactly what i am tlaking about... alot pf people getting mass amounts of CB's and credits aswell.....

Nope, if this is the case, they never joined your site...so if they cant CB your account. Unless maybe the have found some ingenious way to so, but I doubt it.

Ray

p1mpdogg · 04-08-2006, 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray

Nope, if this is the case, they never joined your site...so if they cant CB your account. Unless maybe the have found some ingenious way to so, but I doubt it.

Ray

sorry but you completley lost me

Ray@TastyDollars · 04-08-2006, 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

sorry but you completley lost me

This is what I heard...its just talk for now but it very possible I assume. These guys have come up (been done before) with a way to hijack join forms. I'm about as technical as a doorknob so I don't know how to explain this, but here goes. They install some sort of spyware shit that when the client hits your join page and enters his info it redirects to their merchant account, in essence they join their site.

IF this is the case, wouldn't it affect all processors and not just Epoch?

Ray

B2BwithJoeD · 04-08-2006, 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

Ya gotta have trust, to earn trust.

2hp

Nice read, Jack.

OldSchoolJim · 04-08-2006, 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manowar

We need a copy of this picture for the office!

SwirlsGirl · 04-08-2006, 06:08 AM

WOuld be interesting hear someone confirm if thats possible, because If it is possible it would probabally explain alot of concerns that so many webmasters have been having lately!
SwirlsGirl

Quick Buck · 04-08-2006, 07:05 AM

I'm not going to blast paycom, but I will say that our merchant processed sites are significantly outperforming our paycom processed sites lately.

I'm certain that the problem is not adware/spyware related.

bigdog · 04-08-2006, 07:17 AM

How many of the big sponsors acutally process through their own merchant account these days?

bigdog · 04-08-2006, 07:18 AM

How many of the big sponsors acutally process through their own merchant account these days?

I remember ars having their own merchant account and they mentioned that paycom preformed better then their own merchant account

p1mpdogg · 04-08-2006, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdog

How many of the big sponsors acutally process through their own merchant account these days?

I remember ars having their own merchant account and they mentioned that paycom preformed better then their own merchant account

welcome to 2 years ago

Theo · 04-08-2006, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quick Buck

I'm certain that the problem is not adware/spyware related.

of course

Furious_Male · 04-08-2006, 07:33 AM

I have been seeing issues since July of 2005. After talking to a few people that run or work for programs they openly admit they see issues (some say connectivity others say scrub). I am just an affiliate but keep detailed historical records. Neither Paycom or CCbill have impressed me for the past 8 months.

Quick Buck · 04-08-2006, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

of course

What I mean is that the shear volume of desktops that would have to be owned by this secret "hijacker" in order to have a massive, noticeable, internet wide effect on a gigantic processor would be enormous.

The simplest answer is usually the right one.

p1mpdogg · 04-08-2006, 08:01 AM

nice to see some people agreeing at least.. would be even nicer to see some programs step up and confirm this in public.

who has some balls?

Theo · 04-08-2006, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quick Buck

What I mean is that the shear volume of desktops that would have to be owned by this secret "hijacker" in order to have a massive, noticeable, internet wide effect on a gigantic processor would be enormous.

The simplest answer is usually the right one.

No doubt. Unless this is done by microsoft or norton I do not see anyone else having the ability to affect a market in a noticable degree as you mentioned.

We don't use epoch so I can't tell from experience. I had two sponsors yesterday telling me that they have epoch EU as 2nd cascade and barely picks any sale. This was a general comment though and not for last days timeframe.

Donny · 04-08-2006, 08:34 AM

Trey,

Have you ever compared the number of new passwords written to your sites to the number that Paycom says you should have? In other words, are people joining and recurring and not being reported or being reported as CB? That would be a "processor shave".

mazdaman · 04-08-2006, 08:57 AM

sig spot here

ServerGenius · 04-08-2006, 09:00 AM

one word: VXSBILL

mattyboy · 04-08-2006, 09:26 AM

Paycom are doing just fine for us. Their second in our cascade and pick up most of the denials from the 1st biller. A few make it to the 3rd biller and not many at all make it to the 4th.
We use PaycomEU - whether this makes a difference, i dunno.

Hooligan · 04-08-2006, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manowar

BradShaw · 04-08-2006, 09:44 AM

There is zero competition in the 3rd party processing business. This unfortunately does not require companies to be at the top of there game.

gleem · 04-08-2006, 09:53 AM

so all this moaning about paycom, who is 1st in everyones cascade then?

p1mpdogg · 04-08-2006, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gleem

so all this moaning about paycom, who is 1st in everyones cascade then?

paycom lol

chowda · 04-08-2006, 11:04 AM

process in cyprus? ;)

04-08-2006, 03:32 AM	#1
p1mpdogg Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 16,714	Im gonna be the 1st sponsor to publicly out paycom. fuck you paycom. the last few months have been your worst ever. this is not an isoloated insident either. MULTILE programs are seeing the same shit everywhere. this is not cross sale related, or spam repated etc etc. this is with programs large and small according to who I have spoke with. do you guys have anythiung you want to tell any of us that give you tens of thousands of dollars per month to process each???? Im really sick and fucking tired of 'things are normal', things are NOT normal when I hear 8 other programs that are unrelated and sell different products putting other processors live in the cascade before you. You are starting to concern alot of people, and leave it to me to speak up and put my ass on the line. why did I post this here ? as a last resort becaiuse everytime you are contacted in private I and others get the same stupid ass run around. WE WANTS ANSWERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner! Last edited by p1mpdogg; 04-08-2006 at 03:35 AM..

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p1mpdogg Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 16,714	I will say this though. If there any sponsors out there with the balls to post their issues that are related would be mich appreciated. You would be helping out this industry and your affiliates in the long run. Im not trying to bite the hand that feeds me, but this is just bad fucking business. If a senior exec wants to contact me and explain in detail my concerns and not give me the same excuse everytime I would appreciate it. I just want the truth. nothing more nothing less. __________________ A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner!

04-08-2006, 03:33 AM	#2
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04-08-2006, 03:35 AM	#7
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04-08-2006, 03:49 AM	#11
p1mpdogg Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 16,714	what really pisses me off, is the loyalty and our willingness to try our hardest to comply and change things to meet paycoms needs and requests. assist in outing scamming surfers and affiliates to ensue paycoms survival and do our part... and we get what in return? a line of bullshit. I am fed up and can not keep quite about this any longer. I hope the other programs having the same issues will speak up. __________________ A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner!

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04-08-2006, 04:05 AM	#14
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04-08-2006, 04:11 AM	#15
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04-08-2006, 04:33 AM	#17
Damian_Maxcash So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MaxCash.com Posts: 12,745	I had a problem with CBs last month - I use a small prog that details these things and I had 5 CBs. Pretty bad when I only send these guys about 10 sales a month. They appeared throughout the month so it wasnt just one rebill showing as 5 seperate trans. I did post about it here. Its a real pain - I want to get a small prog of my own running this year - The major problem is going to be procs though. Who can you trust these days?

04-08-2006, 04:40 AM	#18
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	p1mpdogg have you tried any of the new processors out there like 365billing segpay Infinity Payment Systems

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Ray@TastyDollars www.TastyDollars.com Join Date: May 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 6,797	I have not seen an increase in CB's or a decrease in rebills. I have however see a huge decrease in sales, 30-40%. I'm not talking about just my program (to new to compare), I'm talking about programs that I have been pushing for years. I have spoken to a couple of large programs and from what I understand there is a POSSIBILITY that we are experiencing another one of those situations where someone is installing some shit on surfers PC's causing join pages to redirect to their program. Just speculation maybe, but it seems to be the only REAL reason ive heard that could be causing this. Ray __________________ The nets best interracial and cuckold site The nets hottest teen site ICQ me: 161 375 873

04-08-2006, 05:20 AM	#26
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04-08-2006, 07:05 AM	#33
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04-08-2006, 07:17 AM	#34
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	How many of the big sponsors acutally process through their own merchant account these days?

04-08-2006, 07:18 AM	#35
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04-08-2006, 07:33 AM	#38
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