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No logic whatsover in that.

Takedowns technique = Fighting System

Seriously, what have you been smoking?

BJJ has empirical data that shows that it wins fights. UFC 1 to 3 should be enough.

UFC 1 through 3 was over a decade ago when people didn't know how to defend against BJJ.

BJJ/grappling is a large part of MMA. I will never dispute that. However a thread called "grapplers beat strikers 9 out 10 times" is misleading at best.

You are using MMA fighters as an example, which is stupid. They are no longer strikers, they are MIXED MARTIAL ARTS FIGHTERS. Get it in your head, the game has changed in 10 years, to what it is now. Stop being a moron.

Grapplers will beat Strikers 9 out 10, I say again, empirical data UFC 1 to 3. Empirical data cannot be disregarded whether it is 5 minutes old, or 100 years old.

Jesus, where did you learn how to debate? K-mart?

Too bad Royce is a shell of his old self now, and would get ground and pounded. :Oh crap

The best conditioning, strength and skills win fights. For instance, do you think a webmaster 60 pounds overweight with 3 years of BJJ would be a good match for a golden gloves light heavyweight in prime condition? Do you think our BJJ man would win 9/10 fights?

How about a striker with wrestling background and some BJJ training?. Is he going to lose 9/10 fights to pure BJJ everytime all the time?

BJJ sure seems to be a key component, but it's kind of ignorant to run around making blanket statements.

I wonder, can some of you experts, like PEI boy please post your professional records? Let me guess: 0 and 0?

Royce Gracie had many Vale Tudo matches prior to UFC and was at that point a MMA fighter. In your own words, "your example is stupid."

VALE TUDO was created by BJJ, to showcase BJJ.

Not stupid at all.

Next argument.

Depends, 3 years of BJJ current? Or past history BJJ? You are now building up a strawman arguement. My original and even current arguments have been professional. I'm being called on the carpet about it now by Skinnywussy.

There are too many variables to consider on a non professional fight to give a valid answer. When dealing with non professional fighters, don't worry about the fighting style, worry about the fighter. As fights at clubs, bars, etc. one won't have the foreknowledge of what they are up against.

I'd kick your ass for sure though, cause BJJ WINS!!! :)

Incorrect. Vale Tudo means no rules fighting. I believe that no rules fighting was around just a little bit longer than BJJ.

Oh btw, I'm not a professional.

I have trained in the following.

Aikido, Goju, MT, Judo, GJJ/BJJ. Due to injuries, lately I've been training my right and left pointer fingers, on my FN FiveSeven

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I believe you are incorrect, as VALE TUDO fighting that the was done in BRAZIL was created for the GRACIES to showcase GRACIE JIU JITSU.

The problem with this fight was they were what, 80lbs? there are numerous striking methods that would literally decimate someone with one hit, one of the most simple is a 45/ degree anle hit to the tip of the mandible at full force, this will dislocate your jaw and knock you the fuck out, when you manage to come to you will have the wonderful taste of blood dripping down your throat and be in extreme pain.(and I hear sucking food through a tube is no fun):( Also, a suto at full force to the side of your kneck where your corotid artery is, will cause hemmoraging and probably death. BJJ is a good method for incorporating into others like Da zhimmenge, guazo gonji, and san soo kung fu, but I would not use it exclusively as a self defense method.

Then you admit that Royce Gracie was a trained vale tudo (MMA) fighter prior to the UFC?

BJJ at the time, was MMA. It had kicks, punches, takedowns, and ground fighting.

MMA as it is now, has only been this way in the past 5 years. What Royce was then, was not MMA, it was GJJ or BJJ as it is known more as now.

Yeah. Okay.

Thanks.

Do you understand the training method, "Aliveness".

When you can pull that move you just posted, in an "alive" manner, then it's a worthy technique.

Let me also give you another term "Adrenal Dump". When you adrenal dump happens, your fine motor skills go out the window, doesn't matter how many years you have trained a movement. Your mandible breaking skills go out the window, in short.

Now, put those two together, and you have MMA.

Thanks.

I've forgot what were arguing about...

Who cares. When you gonna be in florida? I'll buy the first couple of rounds! :)

haha I was suppossed to be there today! I'll ring you up next time and we can split some more hairs on the grappling/striker debate.

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You sound like you're suffering from tiny dick syndrome.

Werd, best time of the year to be down here, is right now! :)

I'm taking you are talking from personal experience.

What have you done to correct it in yourself?

Was it the gun, the marital arts, or the Breitling that gave it away? or all three?

You gotta be kidding me ?!? this will be one of the biggest fights in UFC

I have done absolutely nothing to compensate for my tiny dick. Ever since I found out it makes it easier to get girls to let me do anal on them, I've been perfectly happy with it.

As for you, what gave it away wasn't so much one specific thing, but rather the frantic "look at me being a tough guy" of this whole thread.

When have I ever lied to you Mart?

That fight is so fucking lame..

All those people saying "break it up" and dissing becasue he was wrestling...

Did they not realize the one guy was getting his ass handed to em?

That other guy was no match for the wrestler... Totally outclassed..

The only thing that scared me was the other guy's boys..

I was cringing on the thought that one of them would run up and kick the grappler in the head....

But I agree the grapper wins 9 out of 10 times.

That 10th time is when the the boys of the guy getting his ass kicked jump in.

Always scarry in the street..

But in competition, no match.....

So, let me get this straight. I have not threatend anyone to fight, (Except warchild, but we already agreed a year ago to do so when we crossed paths in a training capacity), I have not called anyone an idiot except skinnywussy, who both of us are chatting to each other in icq while are doing this. With the exception, of the last post about not being a professional fighter, stated anything other than what I've trained in, which btw is on the THIRD page, where am I doing the Look at me being a tough guy?

Wow, you got some issues there buddy other than having a small dick.

You posted a picture of your gun and are a martial arts fanboy desperately trying to convince the world "his" martial art is best. Yes, you're doing the "Look at me being a tough guy" thing. And I know it when I see it, because it's what I did myself when I was 15.

Huh? So, you gathered my martial is best from me listing I studied:
Goju, Aikido, and Muay Thai, Judo and GJJ/BJJ

????? HUH? That's 5 marital arts, you idiot.

I posted my gun to Warchild, to whom I have had conversations before, and KNOW loves guns which his favorite being a HK USP .40, a picture of my new toy that I know he will enjoy seeing.

Okay, you seriously need to shut the fuck up, and talk to somebody about having really serious self worth issues.

So you are like what? 15 and a half? Good job reading into something that isn't there! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Another sure sign of small penis syndrome is reacting frantically to any possible insult.

I know my good friends, Kirik Jenness and Dave Roy, two of the MMA originals.... would agree with you, Anthony....I believe Kirik still fights and they are working on another book....top secret, but soon to be released....Fit To Fight was a real best seller...

Actually, I like SIG P229 in .40, but close enough. :)

I've been 5 weeks on a controlled diet, working out 3 times a week and running an hour a day. Feeling better each day. Have joined but not gone yet to a BJJ class down here.

Anthony. Ive seen some pics of you.

Youd be a good addition to the Boneprone Family.. The non-adult aspect..

We are a bunch of Asians that have fought in smaller competition Mixed Martial Arts competitons...

Youd be a great addition.. Ive seen your posts over the years, and knew you had a background.. You still compete??

I personally dont. Havent in 5 years. Too damn fat, and in all seriousness wasnt that good. But I have fought.

My cousins and friends however do. And we even were starting our own promotion for a bit.. But we all had kids, got married and things are in the back burner..

Wish I would have met you in Vegas. Would have been cool to shoot the shit with you.

Correction.. 6 years...

Anthony.. Did you surf GFY back in the day when I used to post pics of the family in the cage matches?? Knocking people out and then doing the BP4L handsign??

Believe it or not, there was a pretty good gimmick we had going for a while.
Some of my buds now train out here in portland with Quest... Imsure you have heard of them.

Good competitons.. I posted pics and theads about it years and years ago here.

Not sure if you were around GFY back then or not?

For those that dont know Quest it the school Randy Couture runs.

Absolutely bro, I was lurking mostly back then. Your cousin was bad ass! :)

Brown Belt in Judo, if I remember right. Damn good MMA fighter!

Yeah, Okay. You're the expert! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I'm flying Dave and Kirik's link in my sig, as you know. :)

Can't wait for the new book, the first was bad ass!