You have 0 clue what you are talking about. The guy wasn't "exhausted and harmless" he could have beaten every one of them one at a time in a row without being "exhausted and harmless". He was yelling because he had the guy right where he wanted him for a second time and they were trying to stand it back up. It's all about getting close, limiting the damage they can do by punching, and controlling every aspect of the fight. I would have told them the same thing.

As far as top boxers beating BJJ guys you are fucking lost. There is a reason boxers stay in the ring, with gloves and a ref. There is also a reason they can't kick, tackle, or anything else. Straight boxing is the pussiest of all fights and you try to compare them to MMA fighters? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I don't know if anyone cares or not...


ROYCE GRACIE will be fighitng the current UFC CHAMP MATT HUGHES next UFC!

Werd, couldn't have said it any better. You could give Bas a run for his job, or his exjob anyway. :)

Like CD said it's a damn shame the best fighting techniques look the worst but I guess that's good or everyone would be doing it. I don't know BJJ but I grew up with many of the same principles given to me. If someone was giving me shit I would cry tears of joy if they got in a boxing stance. :1orglaugh

No shit! What do you think the guys over at K-1 are doing? Some of the best strikers in the world are converting to MMA.

I'd rather watch MMA, most fights end up on the ground, whoever cannot move on the ground usually loses.. I've lost myself to people who can move better on the ground, they were a better fighter...

Last ground beef I had I was pretty much even aside from me breaking a $400 watch.. the dude was tough on the ground too and we both pinned each other at points, but It turned when he had me in a headlock and I was able to swing up and hit him in his head about 10 times and he let go. After that my club security friends came and pulled us apart..

I've seen your pictures, you better keep it on the ground. :winkwink:

Yeah, it is pretty gay when I hump your wife into submission.




JK

Just going with the new theme, "hump them into submission".

Two things my brother...

1. I will show you about 3 or 4 proven escapes to the dreaded headlock that uses no stength, just leverage.

2. I had no idea you were into MMA, we really need to spend more time chilling next time not in a club with naked girilies near us. :)

I'll take you up on that Anthony, always cool seeing you, even with all those naked chicks around..

I did some boxing.. when a guy start throwing punches with less power than my grand-mother could throw, that's a sure sign that the guy is exhausted... and the only reason he was still beating the crap out of the other guy is because the other was equaly exhausted... But you are free have fantasies..


wow, those are powerful arguments :1orglaugh Case closed I guess :1orglaugh


Oh.. and if Tank Abbot could beat some of the best MMA fighters.. A top boxer could do even better with a bit of training.... As far as I know, bjj guys also do some boxing training? I never implied that a boxer should just be thrown in a fight with a MMA fighter without proper training...

The debate here were striker agaisnt grapplers .. A boxer with some basic MMA training is still a striker...

:1orglaugh

It is indeed a great line, it goes so well in so many different occasions :winkwink:

lol yeah i caught that too, hilarious..:thumbsup

Sorry bro, but doing some boxing does not make you an expert in fighting that you just watched in that clip.

The grappler wanted to keep on going, the striker quit. Plain and simple. Of course, he was about to get choked the fuck out.



Please be so kind to post the TOP MMA guys that Tank beat. Thanks.

Last fight I watched him get his ass OMO PLATA'd (Shoulder Lock) and his ankle broken. He also didn't connect once, and limped out like a little girl.

Frank Mir Vs Tank Abbot.

The guy was throwing weak punches from the beginning, he's a runt. You are completely clueless as to what you are talking about and I hope you run into someone skilled with BJJ one day so he can show you first hand. Really no other way to get it through someones thick skull, especially when they made sport of getting punched in the face 300 times for one fight.

Have you ever seen Gracie fight? The guy hardly ever looks like he's hurting someone yet he wins, and wins, and wins. You do know that's not all luck right? You do know they do train them to defend against MMA fighters right? You do know they can't defend against someone that fights much smarter than them without dedicated insane amounts of time to it right? Nah you don't, you said a few weeks of training would counter someone skilled. :1orglaugh

Tank Abbot has never beaten any TOP MMA GUY. Ever.

Loss Hidehiko Yoshida Submission (Choke) PRIDE-Final Conflict 2005 8/28/2005 1 7:40
Win Wesley Correira KO (Punch) ROTR 7-Rumble On The Rock 7 5/7/2005 1
Loss Wesley Correira TKO (Cut) UFC 45-Revolution 11/21/2003 1 2:14
Loss Kimo Leopoldo Submission (Arm Triangle Choke) UFC 43-Meltdown 6/6/2003 1 1:59
Loss Frank Mir Submission (Toe Hold) UFC 41-Onslaught 2/28/2003 1 0:46
Loss Pedro Rizzo KO UFC Brazil-Ultimate Brazil 10/16/1998 1 8:07
Win Hugo Duarte TKO (Strikes) UFC 17-Redemption 5/15/1998 1 0:43
Win Yoji Anjo Decision UFC Japan-Ultimate Japan 1 12/21/1997 1 15:00
Loss Maurice Smith Submission (Strikes) UFC 15-Collision Course 10/17/1997 1 8:08
Loss Vitor Belfort TKO (Strikes) UFC 13-The Ultimate Force 5/30/1997 1 0:52
Loss Don Frye Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UU 96-Ultimate Ultimate 1996 12/7/1996 1 1:22
Win Steve Nelmark KO UU 96-Ultimate Ultimate 1996 12/7/1996 1 1:03
Win Cal Worsham Submission (Strikes) UU 96-Ultimate Ultimate 1996 12/7/1996 1 2:51
Loss Scott Ferrozzo Decision UFC 11-The Proving Ground 9/20/1996 1 15:00
Win Sam Adkins Submission (Neck Crank) UFC 11-The Proving Ground 9/20/1996 1 2:06
Loss Dan Severn Decision (Unanimous) UU 95-Ultimate Utlimate 1995 12/16/1995 1 18:00
Win Steve Jennum Submission (Neck Crank) UU 95-Ultimate Utlimate 1995 12/16/1995 1 1:14
Loss Oleg Taktarov Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC 6-Clash of the Titans 7/14/1995 1 17:45
Win Paul Varelans TKO (Strikes) UFC 6-Clash of the Titans 7/14/1995 1 1:53
Win John Matua KO UFC 6-Clash of the Titans 7/14/1995 1 0:20

I'd like to also correct my post about seeing the last loss by Tank. I did watch Yoshida choke the fuck outta Tank. About a 50lb weight difference as well.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...42465&q=gracie

BJJ!!!

GRACIE JIU JITSU!

I am happy that California has now allowed MMA. Can't wait to see Cesar Gracie vs. Frank Shamrock

BJJ RULES!

Well.. I thought he was a bit better.. just like you thought your boxer in the first UFC was better... :winkwink:

But lets be clear here... in term of boxing/striking abilities... Tank is a punk, a clown.. on a similar level as Butterbean... and just cannot be compared with the best boxers.. But it can give you an idea... that if a 4th rate boxer like Tank Abbot can last 8 minutes agaisnt Pedro Rizzo or 18 minutes agaisnt Dan Savern, than maybe a Floyd Mayweather can beat the shit out of a guy his own size 4 times out of 5...

We can argue for hours repeating the same things.. so lets agree to disagree... :upsidedow

Bro,

Pedro Rizzo is a Muay Thai fighter, not a grappler. :)

Back then, you were one or the other. Nowadays, they all train the same. MMA.

Wow Gracie is such a pussy, did you see how exhausted he was? I could tell because he was barely hitting the guy. :winkwink:

Ahh, another brother! Shamrock has been talking so much mad shit over the years about this fight, I hope it happens soon!

I forgot to add 18 minutes against Dan Savern.. :winkwink:

It shows you aren't a fan of the sport.

it lasted 18 minutes because Dan Severn didn't want to end it fast and wanted to punish Abbot.

It was very one sided, and Tank got the shit beat out of him.

At the interview after the fight, Severn admitted to letting it drag on to show that tank ain't shit.

BJJ is like the gayest sport there is...

https://youtube.com/?v=yYMMKIlRNCQ

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not another one of these stupid threads.

I just wish there were a BJJ trainer near where I live. I'd be on it. My friend, Dave, says it would be perfect for me.

The kid who was doing the beating...

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...dID=158 74072

Trains in the following:

Wrestling, MUAY Thai Kickboxing, Gracie stlye Jiu-Jitsu, Miletich Fighting Systems. Juss about any sport I get to whoop ass. And I luv Submission fighting. I could make anybody tap out. I also like to play vidieo games and have fun.

It is. I'd imagine you'd be shitting yourself as you get choked the fuck out and wake up with something shoved up your ass.

Lets take a look at the current champions from UFC and Pride and their strengths...

Pride HW: Fedor (Combat Sambo)
Pride MW: Silva (Muy Thai, some BJJ)
Pride WW: Henderson (wrestling, boxing)
Pride LW: Gomi (submission grappling, muy thai)
UFC HW: Arlovski (Sambo and boxing)
UFC LHW: Liddell (TKD, Muy Thai, wrestling)
UFC MW: Franklin (wrestling, muy thai)
UFC WW: Hughes (wrestling)

Where's the BJJ guys??

And lets take a look at whether they are primarily a striker or grappler...

Pride HW: Fedor (equally both)
Pride MW: Silva (striker)
Pride WW: Henderson (both)
Pride LW: Gomi (used to be more of a grappler, now primarily a striker)
UFC HW: Arlovski (striker w/ strong grappling skills)
UFC LHW: Liddell (striker)
UFC MW: Franklin (striker)
UFC WW: Hughes (grappler)

You are on CRACK.

Sambo is grappling.

Silva is a BJJ Black Belt

Henderson trains with BJJ Coaches

Gomi is submission grappling, BJJ without GI is submission grappling.

Liddell is a purple belt in BJJ

Arlovski trainsi in BJJ and holds around blue belt last i heard.

Franklin trains BJJ, he trains with Jeremy Horn

I'm like losing it here, are all the detractors MORONS?! Everyone trains in BJJ/Submission, because it works. THAT'S WHY IT IS CALLED MIXED MARTIAL ARTS

You're not very versed in the MMA game, are you?

For a minuted there I was expecting someone to ring a bell. Was that supposed ot be organized fighting?? If so then therre are rules. If not, there are no rules, and it is a free for all.

Do you know what the word "primarily" means?

Grappling is one part of Combat Sambo.

Most people believe he didn't deserve it.

So does Crocop. Doesn't mean that's his primary weapon.

Thanks for the newsflash. Gomi rarely uses grappling in his matches anymore.

Liddell hates going to the ground and tries to get up as soon as possible.

He still is primarily a striker.

Nobody said he didn't. He's still primarily a striker.

wth is your problem?

You are setting up a strawman, son.

BJJ RULES, everyone trains in it, so they can defend it.

End of story.

Nice try, though.

Not.

Everyone trains in takedowns also. Doesn't mean it wins fights.