can't we all just live together in peace ? :sadcrying

I said it before and I'll say it again, FUCK RELIGION! That's why we can't live in peace.

As far as I'm concerned the Jews can shove their god up their arse... the Palestinians can stick Allah up their arse.... and The Americans and the western world can stick Jesus up their collective arses.

Hey fuckwad don't talk to me about smarts. Let me know when you join Mensa then talk smack, dumbfuck.

Like I said the Jews and Arabs will NEVER get along. Never have, so why think it's going to happen now? Neither side will give an inch and this will all stop when one side wipes the other off the face of the Earth. THIS IS A FACT.

I'm not on one side or another. Hell I think both sides are stupid. Both think that their non-existant God is on their side. I will say this, Jews have been hated by EVERY other race on the face of the planet in their history, quite an accomplishment and should make one wonder why that is so. The ancient Egyptians, Romans, Christians, Germans, Arabs just to name a few. If being one of God's "chosen people" means going through what Jews have gone through the last 5000 years, I'll pass thank you.

Seinfeld.

I hope he masturbates with his right hand.

Have i gone too far this time?

Sorry but I always laugh as misery... even my own.

Funny.. I could have sworn they have been getting along fine for a long time now.. israel has peace with jordan, israel has peace with egypt, (take a trip to the sinai sometime - place is crawling with israelis! At least it was until arafat started fucking around), israel has had secret and not so secret relations with many arab & muslim states.

And you know what? I could have sworn in my apartment building when I lived in the heart of tel aviv that the jewish and arab families living there got along just fine..

jews and arabs CAN get along and they DO get along.. the problems in the middle east (not just in israel) are caused by fanatics & dictators.. arafat is both of these.

btw - there are even ARABS in the ISRAELI army.. doesn't that just throw a spanner in the works? :winkwink:

http://www.lia.org/ethnic.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/wor...00/1750120.stm


but as for religion being the root of all evil.. I tend to agree with you there, however.. most israelis are not religious and most religions are not so militant as islam these days..



:repuke

Just when I wanted to say - you ain't that bad after all and I think that beside being a dubm-ass sometimes you are good inside :thumbsup ...... YOU GO AND ADD THE NEXT REMARK (I hope he masturbates with his right hand. Have i gone too far this time? Sorry but I always laugh as misery... even my own.)

You better stick to laughing at your own misery then.

Israelis have placed their religion aside and decided to go for peace. They offered a country to the palestinians. What would have happened if Arafat was dead and someone else in his place would have taken the deal? Wouldn't then Israelis and Palestinians have peace then? It IS possible - Palestinians have only to change a little (leadership mainly - and ALOT of anti-hate education).

GatorB - Why is it in your eyes then that the "so very proven fact of yours" that Jews are so hated? Speak up.
I doubt that if god had to choose again his chosen people he would choose YOU! :321GFY

Mark I must say very very well said.

:thumbsup :thumbsup

And the more I read people's post on this board about what's going on in the Middle East, the more
I see they have NO, ZERO, ZIP ideal.

You people need to set down and do some research, wouldn't hurt to try using that thing between your ears also.
The next stop for these Terrorist's Bombers is Europe and the USA, and you better believe it, unless it's stopped NOW.

Are you sure about this? I always thought they had their own army, albeit not as strong as the Israeli army. Must be thinking of someone else...

hehe.
Sly_RJ - they have a "SECURITY FORCE" that was armed by Israel and IDF to keep the peace and protect Israel and fight Terror.
Hehe. Funy (and ironic)
that same force is the one fighting Israel and the one using the weapons and money to finance terror.
New definition to the term "SECURITY"
:winkwink:
Another new definition for someone who engages in terror, shoots undistinctively and kidnap nuns and priests by gun-point and bomb: "innocent civilian victim"

People - if you do not see a link between 9/11 and what now going in Israel - you are fucking uneducated morons.
Another couple of buildings need to collapse in Europe and USA - may be then you will understand the root of the problem.

About Palestinians who does not have heli and tanks.
Do you forget 3 war what Israel win?

Fuck of, in worst case scenario Israel will use Nukes and let Armageddon start.

do you suffer from mentail deficiency?

i vote we bomb whatever godforsaken kuntry u r from, cool?

Your fucking vote does not count moron - drink your beer - and I am from Canada, BTW

No Jews are/were NEVER hated. Hitler LOVED Jews didn't he? The Egyptions kept Jews as SLAVES, yes you make slaves of people you LIKE, right? The Romans just loved Jews too, right?Christians for HUNDREDS of years hated Jews because they blamed them for killing Jesus. Some still do hate Jews for this reason. Arabs, no they like Jews so much they just strap bombs on themselves and blow Jews up, clearly a sign of love. Were you born retarded or did you get dropped on your head as a small child?

Also, I AM NOT one of God's "chosen people", that's a claim that JEWS make and I am not a Jew. Besides I'd rather be free than be God's personal Pokemon.

GOD:"Hebrewmon, I choose you"

GatorB
I didnt say Jews are so loved...
I only asked why YOU think they are hated. You just seem like the man to ask...
After all - from reading your posts - it seems like you got a good insight to what people like Jitler, Arabs (Egyptians you moron. You cant spell right? ;) ) and transvestites (Roman people wearing dresses [togas]) think.

What do you say?

the jews are a bunch of nazis

israel is the motherland! zeig heil!

:2 cents:

no mic.. no people won't.. i still hear people saying they 9/11 happened because they were "jealous" of america's prosperity..

9/11 wouldn't have happened if the US had never set foot in the middle east.. i fully expect australia to get bombed because of the parts we've played in the gulf and afghanistan war... not saying we deserve it.. but we've fucked with a beehive.. can't expect the bees to go.. "ok.. kill us.. make sure the honey flows to western interests it's alright.. this is 9000km from your own country it's all cool.."

if it came to that tomorrow i think israel would be wiped out.. along with iraq and a few other surrounding countries.. yeah israel has nukes... iraq may, but it's got a fuckload of vx juice and a few tonnes of biological weapons pointed that way.

pretty much mutually assured destruction.....

I looked up your behavior in a dictionary and I found it under "ChickenShit" :1orglaugh
Are you one of the guys who try to hide in a fight saying "I hope they dont notice me... or atleast that they all hit me last when they are tierd. Who knows - maybe they will let me go unharmed?"

I have a question for you (bhutocracy) and others who tend to speak us so much here...
How many of you been to the middle east (for more than a month)?
How much do you know of the middleEast?
How much do you know of Israel and the Israeli-Palestinian-Arab conflict?
How much do you know of Arabs their culture and Muslim in general?

Buy how much you should deduct the time you wasted on article in the "Sydney times" ;) and the CNN/BBC/FOX/SKY and other entertainment channels. I mean REAL knowladge! Strategical analysis. History. Recent events and their context.

P.S.
spud_jones: GatorB suits you more.

Posted by MetaformX:
So, if it was your neighborhood that they blew up buses and schools and malls and churches on a daily basis because it was the only way to get their point across, this would be okie dokey with you? I don't know if you are American, or how many other people here condoning Arafat's actions are American, but it begs the question, Just how fucking short is your memory? How would you like to deal with 9/11 events on a daily basis? Bush is talkin a lot of shit right now about Israel, but how much patience would he have if bombs were going off in public on a daily basis in American cities? I cannot even imagine what it would be like to live in a place where innocent people are randomly slaughtered on a daily basis. I'm not entirely up to snuff on the history of what's happening in the middle east, but this crap is absolutely unacceptable, and I support Israel 100 per cent on there response.

real life hurts, deal with it

whats chickenshit about reality? nice how you resort to personal attacks.. personal attacks that can't even be ascribed to what i've written.. there are plenty of words in the dictionary for that
my behaviour? lol what have i personally done? lol.. now you're into fiction..
here i'll write it slower for you.. i f y o u h i t s o m e o n e y o u c a n e x p e c t t o b e h i t b a c k.
thats all i've said.. we've hit out at them.. i expect something here to be bombed..
they didn't do dick to us.

heheh it's laughable how silly you're own insecurities don't play out on other people.. i'm comfortable in my manhood, i don't have to beat my chest like a little loser... lol this is a little closer to your sad attempt to belittle me. : theres a street fight between two guys going at it.. one of thems about a fifth of the size of me.. but he's got knuckle dusters.. the other one's even smaller but he's got a rock.. enough to cause lots of damage, but not enough to kill the guy entirely.. in the background is a really big gang on the side of the knuckle duster guy.. asking whether he wants baseballs bats and giving moral support.. i shrug my shoulders and walk on home and let them fight their stupid turf wars. i could stand with the big gang and watch.... hell i often drink with the guys.... i could run in and give one of em a little kick.. but.. it's not any business of mine..
besides... even though the fight is about territory and not so much religion.. one keeps yelling "allah" and going "pop" and the other wails about yahweh and is pointing to a grimm's book of fairy tales about how the street belongs to them..

as it's no business of mine they can kill each other... you see, you're lambasting me for my lack of "experience" with the culture, and going on about how little i know of it so i shouldn't comment.. but then you want the other side too.. you want me to say "hell i don't know about it.. i've had no experience.. but fuck it.. i'll kick which ever one im told to".. lol.. and if i don't im a coward.. bwahahah..


i have the right to choose whether certain fights are moral, or a good use of resources... not just bray with the mob.. when we went into timor to guard the country against the world's largest muslim nation, an enemy 20 times our size (a government the US wouldn't do anything about because it was making money selling arms to them) i was all for it. timor is right next to us.. they helped us out in WW2.. the australian government let indonesia invade (because we got a share of the oil) in the 60's and we let them down.. that was a battle worth fighting for.
the US is a superpower.. it can look out for it's own interests 10 times over. but as per usual.. australia being the little bitch that it is gets dragged into conflicts that have nothing to do with us. our leaders are subservient spineless little fucks.
jeez im glad we got dragged into killing vietnamese.. woohoo.. stopping that red menace.. that was a real priority for us.. we spend billions of dollars helping people fight their wars and we get import tariffs in return... i guess thats the price of being a US puppet..

i've read quite a bit about arab culture and the conflict.. at least for someone who doesn't have to.. there are many things i abhore about arab culture and their part in the conflict.. i don't have to be there to know that.. i also loathe many jewish customs.. many chrisitan ones too..i've already said i've got no interest in going to some half-assed corner of the planet who's only significance are 3 religions i despise, and the source of something that the rest of the world has been shaking their heads at for decades. like living there helped my palestinian cab driver understand the situtation clearly the other night lol..

i have read the history.. in as far as i have gone out of my way to find it so i knew what was going on.. but not as a scholar..i don't have to .. only for my personal curiosity... but i also know the jews have been murderous bastards as well as the palestinians.. i have no allegiance to either other than a jewish great-grandfather... as i have stated.. im only arguing as a counterpoint to the blood-baying here.. i understand both points of view.. i've said it before on these forums.. i would kill very militant jew and every militant palestinian if i could and leave the poor souls caught in the middle of it to try and make their way out. but it doesn't work like that..

but you also have to read current events and the "sydney morning herald" which the premier high class broadsheet here is a highly regarded and fine source of information. you're certainly not going to listen to jewish or palestinisn propaganda to find out.. and yes we get both flavours here.. in all the mainstream articles.. but thats no better than walking up to a jew or a palestinian in israel and asking him whats going on.. as if they're less biased lol...

On defense of Israel, people don't realize what is going on from the Israeli's point of view:

let me paint a clear picture..

israel is no 3rd world country, israel's lifestyle is very close to America's - Israel teenagers are just like european and american teenagers, the families live normal lives. Israel is about the size of New Hampshire - except populated 10X as much - now what would you do if there were 2 suicide bombings a day in New Hampshire - the effect is huge on the people..

it is FACT that Arafat finances some of these terrorist groups -
ISRAELIS WANT PEACE - first it was yitzhak rabin, then it was mubarak, and now its swung on the other side to sharon when everything else has failed.
The violence has escalated - do you sit there and let it go, or do you take military action..

-To rebut your argument about how palestine doesn't have a homeland, have you ever heard of the holocaust? israel was formed to prevent the holocaust, its is a safehaven for jews, and protects the greatest Religious Monuments of MANY RELIGIONS, not just jewish.

Israel has given money to help palestinians - they have used it to purchase weapons, israel has built homes for palestinians, they have destroyed them in defiance.

mubarak offered them probably the most generous deal they could've gotten, a separate palestinian state, andthey refused

and now arafat finances terrorist groups where young palestinian females, and even children blow themselves up for the cause

Please just justify my last argument..

I understand how the palestinians feel, but they are extremely determined to take control of all, something i feel is out of their grasp, they are unwilling to compromise, it is a very bad situation,,but lets not just go bashing israel - examine both sides first...

perhaps i chose the wrong word..
"getting their point acrtoss" was not the right words...

i should have said that the only way for palestine to get their land back from the thief that is israel, is by using suicide bombers. im not condonning it, as i said, just stating that they have no other choice but to take the rout of violence. diplomacy hasent worked for 40+ years.....

but its pretty simple, really
you don't wanna go to jail? don't steal people's stuff
you don't wanan get blown up by a suicide bomber? don't steal peoples land, and don't run their children over with big noisy tanks

simple stuff

no-ones outright bashing israel.. (well im not anyway) as you said "examine both sides first" you'll see i've replied against the initial pro-israel sentiments to balance it out. it might seem like im being anti israel.. thats just because im arguing with single-minded pro-israel people.. have to keep on going on about how the IDF's done some horrible stuff too and you have to understand where they're coming from.. they're not just animals.

You're a dolt.

What ? the dude's at least missing 1 arm - he cant go to prison !

oh, im sorry
i guess you would rather i say something more along the lines of "GO ISRAEL, KILL THEM FUCKING PALESTENIANS"

your an asshole...fuck a jew

no, don't fuck a jew...cause they might take your land, destroy your home, starve your familly, and snipe your little kid

war is the will of the most advanced species on earth.

damn that was a good party.

I don't play around.....but still I don't fuck aournd.....quit laughing,,,,,you read this...

what was your drug of choice tonight?

thats going too far. most of the jews want peace as much as anyone.. they don't think of it as stolen land..

yeah, it prolly is going too far, but what do you expect from a guy who has attention deficit disorder( i havent been diagnosed with it, but one of the people living in my head told me i had it)

MetaformX, all your posts looking like you do have some knowledge, but you really don't.
You are describing Israel like it's strategy is to kill all the palestines, and you are wrong about that.

Also, you should read some history books first, and then judge which land is belong to each side.

damn.. i was gonna ask you for some ritalin.. :(

I wanna snort some ritalin....

have you done that??? i sooo have! :) dexies too... ahhh those were the days.... last time though my lungs itched all night.... not cool :)

heheheh i so think i had add.... still do.. nothing like low level amphetamines to keep you concentrated on the task at hand.. my best mate got diagnosed with it.. good times.. :)

To all.

You DO need to know more to comment. Not because you have no right to until then - but because you fail to judge think according to YOUR moral.
You dont like innoccent civilians dead? you are right at that.
Thats why you should comdemn Arafat and the palestinian terrorists for leading terror against innocent civilians.
About IDF - you think it as just as bad? Show me a picture of a soldier bombing a crowd of innocent palestinians of shooting indistinctively into that crowd! explain why there are so few people dead in the refugee camps while you say IDF has such great weapons. Explain why israel had to go into the camps with troops and not just drop bombs from the air. Pleas try to explain that - with reason and brain - not just smartass remarks.

Diplomacy didn't work? Who do you blame for that? Tell me IF you dont blame it all on Arafat tell me why. take into account that you all say palestinians are so desperate for a land (that some of you say they are willing to kill themselves) and take into account that a complete country was offered to them with a capital in jerusalem.

MetaformX - do not fuck with Israel or you WILL be put down by a sniper. Why do you think you shouldn't?

Israelis and Jews wants peace and are willing to correct all wrongs (and more) that was done and resolve the situation peacfully. Thats why Israel elects people like Rabin and Barak, Thats why Israel offers land to palestinians, Thats why Israel offers money, work and help to palestinians. Israel is a democracy.
Israel is a place with a VERY HIGH moral standard which values human lifes. Thats why Israel have the majority of people disliking the killing of innocent palestinians, Thats why Israel has large groups in the parlament wanting the operation to end. Thats why Israel is so angry when terror rages in the streets and innocent Israelis get murdered.
Israel is determined to protect their citizens and never again get slaughtered like in the Holocaust. Thats why Israel went to this operation, thats why Israel will execute MetaformX is he messed with them ;) (joking), thats why Israel has elected Sharon.
When Arafat has chosen terror and started killing Israelis, the Israelis - after realizing they lived in lie all those years and realizing that Arafat was actually trying to get a better position to kill more of them - elected sharon which was the answer to the Terror-road the palestinians chose. and Sharon is too easy on the other side in my opinion - because of international pressure (but he is waking up too).

Want peace? - Replace Arafat stop terror and take a country that will be offered.
Dont want it? - live peacfuly as refugees,
Dont want it? - Want to terrorise us? - expect to be killed. Israel can not exept the other side stupidity as a reason for them being killed.
To the innocent palastenians who want peace and quiet... : Take down (kill Arafat) and replace him with a peace loving leader. not one like Arafat - who betrayed you (as even Bush admitted). OR run for a cover where there are no terrorists in your homes.

DONT YOU AGREE? bhutocracy?

MetaformX? Joe Blow? - you? any smart ass remarks? or do you agree with what I said?