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Jakke PNG · 03-28-2002, 09:58 AM

Which is more important for a successfull paysite,
The looks of the site or the niche?
Can I shitty looking niche site convert better than an excellent looking teensite?
Of course excellent looking niche site would be optional, but if that's not an option. Which would you choose?

ServerGenius · 03-28-2002, 10:06 AM

some niches sell better with crappy layouts....amateur stuff
is a good example... I think the quality of your design is close
related to the niche you are in.

That counts for picture quality aswell

DynaMite

Lev · 03-28-2002, 10:09 AM

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I think the quality of your design is close
related to the niche you are in.

So the sites where people eat shit, the design should be shitty???

Wizzo · 03-28-2002, 10:09 AM

Think of it as a mouse trap, there's different kinds of traps, different kinds of baits, and different places to put it.

Matching the right layout, with the right content, promoted the right way, are all factors in building a successful site!

Jakke PNG · 03-28-2002, 10:12 AM

Yeah. I get that... like one girl solo sites can look very crappy yet convert well when surfers convinces himself that the girl had made the site herself etc?

ServerGenius · 03-28-2002, 10:13 AM

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So the sites where people eat shit, the design should be shitty???

I meant related in a way that amateur pages should not use topnotch designed artwork when the message they trying to bring across is...Hi My name is julie I bought an Imac and created
my first homepage because I get so horny by the thought that
the whole world can look at my shaved pussy.....

So no scat sites don't have to use drawed shit in anal brown
colors in order to sell.....allthough that would probably work too!

DynaMite

0zzy · 03-28-2002, 10:13 AM

I think it's the concept that is important, not the niche, not the design. Just that OXCASH by example, they brought an original concept that work. Try new things. Don't stick with the 4 page free tour. Originality is the important I think.

ServerGenius · 03-28-2002, 10:15 AM

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Yeah. I get that... like one girl solo sites can look very crappy yet convert well when surfers convinces himself that the girl had made the site herself etc?

exactly! A lot of BIG sites use this strategy....

DynaMite

ServerGenius · 03-28-2002, 10:18 AM

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I think it's the concept that is important, not the niche, not the design. Just that OXCASH by example, they brought an original concept that work. Try new things. Don't stick with the 4 page free tour. Originality is the important I think.

Offcourse that's true but I do believe that design and layout
can have a degree of influence it's certainly not the most important
factor for success....it's the whole package...of course

DynaMite

Amputate Your Head · 03-28-2002, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DynaSpain
some niches sell better with crappy layouts....amateur stuff
is a good example...

just because the niche is amateur doesn't mean the design should be. When you say *shitty layout* I can only assume you really mean giving it a rougher look and using actual amateur images versus porn stars, and not meaning that a 7 year old should design the layout so that it's "crappy"....

bad design is bad design... the site is irrelevant.... design is not simply making something look pretty.... anyone can do that... there are certain things that go into a design that most people are completely unaware of.... such as using various techniques to guide your visitor to exactly where you want them to go... (eyes and mouse)....

so, please... don't say something sells better with a *shitty* design without clarifying some of it.... would you trust some schmuck from an AOL chat room to do your amateur paysite so that it comes out with a *shitty* look to it and hope that it sells?

I think not.

Amputate Your Head · 03-28-2002, 10:53 AM

People tend to think *design* is all about making shit look pretty... and to a certain degree, it is.... but the bigger picture here is that *design* serves one purpose. To sell your product. It's your storefront. It's your 3-fold full color brochure. It's your tv or radio commercial. A unique product (niche) obviously helps by way of product availability (supply & demand).... but there are many people selling the same identical products out there that do it sucessfully every day of the week.

i.e.:
paint
shoes
cars
travel
clothing
jewelry
porn

etc....

A site doesn't necessarily have to follow the *pretty* or standard models of layout.... but must be *designed* well in order to sell effectively. Look at any commercially produced television spot, versus a public access or home video version of the same thing. Or a pro-produced glossy full color informational brochure, versus a "Work At Home & Get Rich!" yellow flyer stuck on your car windshield.

Which would you choose to sell your product?

Brian911 · 03-28-2002, 11:00 AM

usual 3-tour design will be dead soon.

its not about shitty or not shitty, its about the overall impression your surfers get.

Amputate Your Head · 03-28-2002, 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by Brian911
usual 3-tour design will be dead soon.

the 3-tour layout is nothing more than a formula.... formulas change constantly.

Remember the guys on the radio commercials that used to *puke* (as it's called in broadcasting) the "SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY!" monster truck crap..... it was hip for a while all over the place... but it was overused and finally wore out.... the formula changed. Regardless of what plan of attack they use, they're still *designing* their 60 second spots extremely well....

ServerGenius · 03-28-2002, 11:20 AM

Amp you're right.....with shitty I meant rough....design to my
opinion is the tool to get your message across.... therefore
some niches don't require that fancy graphics....

"rough" design can offcourse be a very good design....
when the design emphasis your product/niche than it's a good
design no matter if it looks good or not.....

Cheap supermarkets use lots of off white and pale yellow
for interior and packaging....make them look even more cheap
and that is the intention of that design...which offcourse is very
smart....

DynaMite

Amputate Your Head · 03-28-2002, 11:23 AM

Also... I want to add to this that not ALL design works. Whenever a new formula is introduced, there is always the risk that it simply will not work as intended. That's a chance you take.... nothing is foolproof. This is a big reason why people tend to stick with formulas that are proven to currently work.

A designer is a tool that you employ to bring your layout and selling tactics to reality. If your selling tactic is a 3-tour layout and you order a 3-tour layout.... guess what... you're going to get a 3-tour layout. And there's nothing wrong with that.... it currently works for ALOT of people.... but don't cry about it later if the formula suddenly dies out in 6 months and is no longer effective. You will simply have to change your tactics.

You would never hire a general contractor and say "okay, build me a house!" That's insane. You go into it knowing how your house is going to be layed out. You may not understand all the technical details of it, but the general concept of the house comes from YOU. Even if you just picked it out of a pre-made home catalog.

Why would you take any other approach to your business?

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Jakke PNG · 03-28-2002, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kmanrox
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SpyCam · 03-28-2002, 04:44 PM

Good looking site (good design) is a big plus for any site on the net. Doesn't matter if the site is of amateurs or pissing niches....
Every product or service should look (or be served) the best as possible. Even toilet paper sells better when it's colorful and well packed.

Don't think web site designers force you to buy designs when you can go copy other site's look or make a few links yourself and call it a paysite.

The best thing for paysite is when it's well designed and loads fast even for 56k wankers, so the best thing would be white background and blue link on center telling "JOIN NOW" (c:P

Cheers

tree · 03-28-2002, 06:04 PM

if you were the average surfer would you put your credit card into a site that looked "shitty" I know i wouldnt

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03-28-2002, 09:58 AM	#1
Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	Paysite layouts Which is more important for a successfull paysite, The looks of the site or the niche? Can I shitty looking niche site convert better than an excellent looking teensite? Of course excellent looking niche site would be optional, but if that's not an option. Which would you choose? __________________ ..and I'm off.

03-28-2002, 10:06 AM	#2
ServerGenius Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 9,377	some niches sell better with crappy layouts....amateur stuff is a good example... I think the quality of your design is close related to the niche you are in. That counts for picture quality aswell DynaMite __________________ \| http://www.sinnerscash.com/ \| ICQ: 370820 \| Skype: SinnersCash \| AdultWhosWho \| Last edited by ServerGenius; 03-28-2002 at 10:08 AM..

03-28-2002, 10:09 AM	#4
Wizzo 2011 GFY Hall of Fame! Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Back in Texas! Posts: 15,224	Think of it as a mouse trap, there's different kinds of traps, different kinds of baits, and different places to put it. Matching the right layout, with the right content, promoted the right way, are all factors in building a successful site! __________________ Looking for Opportunity!

03-28-2002, 10:12 AM	#5
Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	Yeah. I get that... like one girl solo sites can look very crappy yet convert well when surfers convinces himself that the girl had made the site herself etc? __________________ ..and I'm off.

03-28-2002, 10:13 AM	#7
0zzy Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Posts: 505	I think it's the concept that is important, not the niche, not the design. Just that OXCASH by example, they brought an original concept that work. Try new things. Don't stick with the 4 page free tour. Originality is the important I think. __________________ Ozzy

03-28-2002, 10:53 AM	#11
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	People tend to think design is all about making shit look pretty... and to a certain degree, it is.... but the bigger picture here is that design serves one purpose. To sell your product. It's your storefront. It's your 3-fold full color brochure. It's your tv or radio commercial. A unique product (niche) obviously helps by way of product availability (supply & demand).... but there are many people selling the same identical products out there that do it sucessfully every day of the week. i.e.: paint shoes cars travel clothing jewelry porn etc.... A site doesn't necessarily have to follow the pretty or standard models of layout.... but must be designed well in order to sell effectively. Look at any commercially produced television spot, versus a public access or home video version of the same thing. Or a pro-produced glossy full color informational brochure, versus a "Work At Home & Get Rich!" yellow flyer stuck on your car windshield. Which would you choose to sell your product? __________________ SIG TOO BIG

03-28-2002, 11:00 AM	#12
Brian911 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 654	usual 3-tour design will be dead soon. its not about shitty or not shitty, its about the overall impression your surfers get. __________________ - Brian [ a directive occured while processing this error ]

03-28-2002, 11:20 AM	#14
ServerGenius Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 9,377	Amp you're right.....with shitty I meant rough....design to my opinion is the tool to get your message across.... therefore some niches don't require that fancy graphics.... "rough" design can offcourse be a very good design.... when the design emphasis your product/niche than it's a good design no matter if it looks good or not..... Cheap supermarkets use lots of off white and pale yellow for interior and packaging....make them look even more cheap and that is the intention of that design...which offcourse is very smart.... DynaMite __________________ \| http://www.sinnerscash.com/ \| ICQ: 370820 \| Skype: SinnersCash \| AdultWhosWho \|

03-28-2002, 11:23 AM	#15
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	Also... I want to add to this that not ALL design works. Whenever a new formula is introduced, there is always the risk that it simply will not work as intended. That's a chance you take.... nothing is foolproof. This is a big reason why people tend to stick with formulas that are proven to currently work. A designer is a tool that you employ to bring your layout and selling tactics to reality. If your selling tactic is a 3-tour layout and you order a 3-tour layout.... guess what... you're going to get a 3-tour layout. And there's nothing wrong with that.... it currently works for ALOT of people.... but don't cry about it later if the formula suddenly dies out in 6 months and is no longer effective. You will simply have to change your tactics. You would never hire a general contractor and say "okay, build me a house!" That's insane. You go into it knowing how your house is going to be layed out. You may not understand all the technical details of it, but the general concept of the house comes from YOU. Even if you just picked it out of a pre-made home catalog. Why would you take any other approach to your business? __________________ SIG TOO BIG

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03-28-2002, 04:44 PM	#19
SpyCam PoiSEO.com Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: PoiSEO.com Posts: 1,201	Good looking site (good design) is a big plus for any site on the net. Doesn't matter if the site is of amateurs or pissing niches.... Every product or service should look (or be served) the best as possible. Even toilet paper sells better when it's colorful and well packed. Don't think web site designers force you to buy designs when you can go copy other site's look or make a few links yourself and call it a paysite. The best thing for paysite is when it's well designed and loads fast even for 56k wankers, so the best thing would be white background and blue link on center telling "JOIN NOW" (c:P Cheers

03-28-2002, 06:04 PM	#20
tree Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,601	if you were the average surfer would you put your credit card into a site that looked "shitty" I know i wouldnt