stev0

More blacks were convicted... it's a problem with the judicial system.

escorpio

What exactly is the problem?

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baddog

What are you suggesting? That we remove black babies from their families at birth?

That seems rather radical. Where would we send them?

baddog

You are mistaken if you think passing out free condoms is going to result in poor people actually using them.

Sex is for pleasure, not procreation, and condoms diminish that pleasure significantly.

wdsguy

its always the system at fault


right and 99% of the blacks in jail are innocent

baddog

What are you saying, that whitey was found not guilty even though he was guilty?

escorpio

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toddler

LA? Africa? The South?

What causes violence in poor people? Being held down by 'the Man'? I'm not advocating anything other than education. The quote in question was sad to hear in this day and age, but the simple fact is that lack of opportunity and lack of education are what causes the bulk of societies problems. Well, that a blowjobs in the white house.

The media is not helping the matter, nor are 'the bloggers'. Lack of fact checking and quoting out of context are huge HUGE problems today. And its only going to get worse.

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blackfeet

some people just don't understand or see the BIG picture. everyday the shit just piles up with this race issue.

if we americans can't get along, (black and white) what do you think other people of COLOR in the world think about the situation?

other countries are watching us like a hawk,
because they can't figure out what's on our minds in this country.

here we are wanting to spread democracy throughtout the world and
we as americans can't even get along. (whites and people of color)

the whole world is afraid (hates) us because they don't know what our true intentions are in the world.

n. korea, iran, china, russia, middle east, cuba, who knows who else hates us.

when people are afraid, they arm themselves. (nukes in this case) fear and paranoia can make people do stupid things then regret it later.

recently, china and russia had joint military excercises.
hmmmm...i wonder why? for what purpose? who else in the world would these TWO BIG countries have to fear?

so called middle east terrorist have suitcase nukes waiting for the right time to set them off as reported by many sources recently.

we as americans better get our shit together and STOP all this race bullshit. the wagon trains are circling. we don't see them because we are to busy fighting our own fellow americans.

don't lump all black folks as being lazy, ignorant n1ggers when we are NOT the same at all. just like all white people are not rednecks or devils!!!

Drake

Are these better quality citizens?
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...926?hub=Canada

Drake

Every community does this. The rich will always uphold a system that dealts them the best hand, in other words maintaining the status quo to stay in power. Call it a handout, call it greed, call it power hungry.

escorpio

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lchaim

Shhhh, people don't like to talk about those things.

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Drake

What he said is actual fact, and he may have said it to make a point. It's definitely bound to strike a nerve. He did qualify the statement after with a follow-up sentence. Obviously there are other ways of reducing crime among blacks other than genocide.

MacDaddyPlaya

Forget the racist angle to this (which is inexusable), here is a theory on the overall impact of legalized abortion on crime rates in the U.S.

"In the report, Dr. John J. Donohue 3d of Stanford Law School and Dr. Steven D. Levitt of the University of Chicago contend that a large share of the drop in crime in the 1990's -- perhaps as much as half -- can be attributed to the sharp increase in abortions after the Supreme Court ruling in Roe v. Wade in 1973.

Fewer crimes are being committed now, the researchers say, because many of the children who might have grown up to commit those crimes were never born. Within a few years of the Roe v. Wade decision, which established a constitutional right to abortion, up to a quarter of pregnancies ended in abortion, statistics show."

"States that were the first to legalize abortion, Dr. Donohue and Dr. Levitt found, including New York, Washington, Alaska and Hawaii, were also the first to experience a decrease in crime.

For example, in states that legalized abortion in 1969 or 1970, the researchers found, the cumulative decrease in crime from 1982 to 1997 was greater than for the rest of the nation. The decrease in murder was 16.2 percent greater, the decrease in violent crime over all was 34.4 percent greater, and the decrease in property crime was 35.3 percent greater.

Also, states with the highest abortion rates, the researchers found, had larger reductions in crime than states with low abortion rates."

Articll Here

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baddog

this is not a very pc thread

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He's saying that blacks are disproportionately less likely to have competent or empathetic legal representation, that they are under 'surveillance' disproportionately higher so they're caught more often, that they are accused of wrongdoing disproportionately higher than white counterparts when it comes to certain crimes, that they are disproportionately more represented in petty crimes and serve longer sentences for those crimes. There have been enough politicians and actrors being caught stealing and received nothing more than a slap on the wrist. It happens not only on a 'who's who' basis but along racial lines as well.

This isn't my opinion, it's scientific fact.

Therefore it's a class and racial issue.

Rich/famous get away with more crime than average citizens just as average white citizens get away with more crime than average black citizens who are engaged in the same type of crime.

All of these things don't fully explain why blacks are overrepresented in prison. It's merely one aspect of a huge problem, and the people affected (blacks) are partly to blame. Nobody gets a free pass. Lack of responsibility, feelings of inferiority (many think they're only good at ball, sports, and not academics so they don't try - this is perpetuated in large part by their own people), less ability to climb the financial ladder in the workplace (solution: create your own businesses like Chinese, Jews, Arabs, and other minorities do so you don't have to cry about Whitey being mean), utter ignorance - there are children literally raising children who have never had a father or any decent role model in their lives or anybody that believed in them. Imagine not having those special few people in your life like your mom or dad, or teacher, that believed in you when you were a kid. Most of us had poeple close to us who influenced our lives for the better. Some of these kids don't have any self-esteem and sometimes don't even know how to raise children.

Given this, it can be argued (and has been argued) that the Black crime rate should actually be higher than it is.


It's like a self fulfilling prophecy. The solution (as if I know, lol) is a bridging of self responsibility/awareness/actualization with a less biased social atmosphere, but who knows if that will ever happen.

Capiche?

Next problem...

Matt 26z

You don't have to be a racist to understand that if you could remove those people responsible for the very vast majority of crime, that you'd be left with a lot less crime.

Isn't this common sense?

I am not a racist at all, but I do accept the fact that the black community as a whole is a key contributor to this nation's crime problem at per capita rate as compared to other races. That is not racist. It's a verifiable fact.

Matt 26z

I worked for a little while at a courthouse awhile back, so I have to comment on this.

The argument that whites get a slap on the wrist while blacks go to jail isn't exactly true. Technically it's true, but there's much more to it.

When white people commit crimes (or at least get caught), they are usually first time offenders.

Black criminals on the other hand are usually repeat offenders.

The American court system tends to go easy on those who have no prior record, or are doing something to better their life.

When whitey goes before the judge, it's usually his first time there and he's usually getting his life in order.

Black people on the other hand have been there before, and their life is a mess. So they get the book thrown at them because they never learn.

So it should be... Judges go easier on white than black*

WarChild

I already posted this, but it's staggering so I'll post it again:

The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.

Of note here, it's not violent crime convictions it says violent crime levels.

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KingK7

He has got a pretty good point...

baddog

Stop being logical . . . . and yeah, there are exceptions to the rule.

Drake

I'm sure that's probably true and I would never state that the courts go easy on all or most whites.

That's why one has to go deeper into who is more likely to not be involved in crime and repeat offendings? Those who are generally more entrenched in poverty and suffer from an inferiority complex or those who are generally better off and at least perceive that their is more opportunity for them.

The blame can never be placed entirely on the system. The people also must step up if they want things to change. The reasons why things are the way they are and the possible solutions are quite complicated.

WarChild

I'll tell you what accounts for the higher crime rate among black Americans. Instead of hearing from my mouth though, let me quote a black man:

"Let me tell you something, your dirty laundry gets out of school at 2:30 every day. It's cursing and calling each other n- as they're walking up and down the street. They think they're hip. They can't read. They can't write. They're laughing and giggling and they're going nowhere."

"What I'm saying here... and the mistake I made was in saying that there are people who are striving and working in the lower economic area. The people who are not holding up their end is quite obvious to me: And that happens to be those people, to me, who don't have a clue of education-- learning standard English, math, and graduating from school-- what that has for them in terms of empowerment."

- Bill Cosby

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Exactly. That's where his logical judo failed. He should have just kept to abortions without reference to race.

Here's the book that posited the idea of abortion = less crime:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books

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It is the THIRD (electric) RAIL of politics. Play around with it and you might get zapped. Which is quite a shame since I believe many of the dysfunctions facing Third World countries (I live in one such country) is the whole EXTERNALIST BLAME GAME. This mindset blames all current ills on what outsiders or history has done to create the current situation. It just fosters a victimization mentality that goes nowhere and merely excuses current dysfunction(e.g. there's still commentators in the Phililppines blaming current culture of corruption on the Conquistadors. Helloooooo....that's over 400 years agooooooo )

Contrast that with the Japanese mentality during the Meiji Restoration. The mentality was "If we don't want to end up as slaves to the West, we must LEARN from them and still REMAIN Japanese."

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warlock5

Fuck Bill Bennett. I don't give a fuck what he says.

From what I understand, blacks already disproportionately have a larger number of abortions than white people.

Crime and all that garbage is a cultural issue not a race issue. The problem is these jack-offs like Bill Bennett have been fucking with people's heads for hundreds, maybe even thousands of years. Such as, well its ok that I abandoned my kids because I go to church every now and again or because I'm friendly to my neighbors.

warlock5

And I should add, Bill Bennett just dug a huge fucking hole for himself. The left will blast him for this, and so will the pro-life right. They will excuse things like his gambling problem, but this won't slide.

SquireMD

actually, it would not reduce crime. babies do not commit crimes. in the 15+ years until the kids grow up, why not do something about the social causes behind these crimes?

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pornmonger

Yes because black don't go on welfare and food stamps.

They just rob and kill for it instead. That's why 50% of black males commit violent crimes and end up in correctional institutions.

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jukeboxfrank

Are not you thinking the same way only using republican instead of black as your group to hate.

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robfantasy

i appluad the man for having the balls to speak the truth

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uno

Steven D. Levitt beautifully lays out this claim in his book Freakonomics. Great book if you haven't read it.

I agree that narrowing it down to any single group is really irresponsible.

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