Why do sponsors count 2nd page or join page uniques? - GoFuckYourself.com

andrej_NDC · 08-23-2005, 06:12 AM

Are their real stats so shitty? I just found out one program counts less than 10% of my hits(probably join page uniques) and I was dumb enough to enjoy their nice ratios for a while, but they are beyond horrible in real.

Where will this end? Sponsors counting 1% of your traffic to improve ratios?

Jensen · 08-23-2005, 06:17 AM

ROI is all that matters.. (but yep, this does make us ccbill only sponsors look bad with newbs that doesn't understand though)

Mefo · 08-23-2005, 06:20 AM

to make their stats look better... that's the only thing I can come up with it right now =/

Jace · 08-23-2005, 06:21 AM

sounds like perfect gonzo, i stopped promoting them once I figured out what my real ratios were....i started tracking my own shit and was only seeing like 10% of my clicks in their control panel....i am guessing they track join page hits

why anyone would put up with shit like that is beyond me unless they are making insane bankrolls with them

Dalai lama · 08-23-2005, 06:22 AM

To make the stats look better, i think.

chodadog · 08-23-2005, 06:23 AM

Second page hits and join page hits are useful, but ratios certainly shouldn't be calculated on that information. It is misleading. I think they're useful 'cause it shows the effectiveness of the tour to send the surfer to the next page or the join page. I guess it's more useful to the program owner than to the affiliate, but i guess some affiliates would be interested.

GatorB · 08-23-2005, 06:23 AM

So they can say that they are covnerting at 1:100 when they are relly converting at 1:1000. I'm always skeptical of any sponsor that counts uniques that way.

simple simon · 08-23-2005, 06:25 AM

ask realitycash

soukee · 08-23-2005, 06:30 AM

I think ideal is to count 1st page uniques but 1st page raw isn't bad as well. The worst is when sponsor counts 2nd page uniques and only from some countries...

Jace · 08-23-2005, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by soukee

I think ideal is to count 1st page uniques but 1st page raw isn't bad as well. The worst is when sponsor counts 2nd page uniques and only from some countries...

no, the worst is when a sponsor ONLY tracks join page hits and nothing else

DutchTeenCash · 08-23-2005, 07:10 AM

Its a way to get a better ratio. And it sucks imho. Just like kicking affiliates who send 10k and get no signup cause they send shitty blind exits.

If you only count joinpage hits then everyone has a 1:10 ratio or so.

andrej_NDC · 08-23-2005, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by thinkx

If you only count joinpage hits then everyone has a 1:10 ratio or so.

thats the most funniest thing, yeah, you should have a ratio like that...but there are programs who count join page uniques and some affiliates are happy with 1:200-800 ratios, now how shitty is that? Some paysites have to suck badly.

DutchTeenCash · 08-23-2005, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

thats the most funniest thing, yeah, you should have a ratio like that...but there are programs who count join page uniques and some affiliates are happy with 1:200-800 ratios, now how shitty is that? Some paysites have to suck badly.

1:800 isnt that bad, there are sites who just send heaps of traffic thats not even the same niche, like I said exit popups, blind, mailing traffic.

Im gonna put a note on the new V2 of dutchteencash we no longer allow affiliates to spam dutchteencash on no-optin/spam mail as well. Once per month or so we get a shitload of hits from yahoo/google webmail, I tracked it a few times, was spam. Big programs will kick your ass in no time for that, were always nice enough to ask to stop

marec · 08-23-2005, 07:27 AM

andrej ...

you know it's a question of stats

then all of them can send ratios like 1:53-1:200 ..
and it means nothing but 1:900 - 1: 3000 .....

or?

andrej_NDC · 08-23-2005, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by thinkx

1:800 isnt that bad

1:800 join page uniques isnt bad?

bigdog · 08-23-2005, 07:37 AM

i love when sponsor show first page, 2nd page, and join page hits

Jace · 08-23-2005, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

1:800 join page uniques isnt bad?

yeah, i was wondering that myself....he must have misspoken

fuzebox · 08-23-2005, 08:10 AM

Why do people even care about the "conversion ratio"? it's a useless number, other than maybe being able to compare the same traffic over different periods.

Dollarmansteve · 08-23-2005, 08:46 AM

Ive said this many times before - all you need to do is compare $/raw click sent to each of your sponsors from YOUR stats, this is the only way to equally guage relative performance of different sponsors. Sponsor stats are of no use to eachother in comparison due to the different ways of counting.

Far-L · 08-23-2005, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

Ive said this many times before - all you need to do is compare $/raw click sent to each of your sponsors from YOUR stats, this is the only way to equally guage relative performance of different sponsors. Sponsor stats are of no use to eachother in comparison due to the different ways of counting.

Thank you.

The truth needed to be told... again.

BV · 08-23-2005, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by soukee

I think ideal is to count 1st page uniques but 1st page raw isn't bad as well. The worst is when sponsor counts 2nd page uniques and only from some countries...

I agree, we provide both (raw and uniques 1st page tour)

as well as FHG stats

RogerV · 08-23-2005, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

Are their real stats so shitty? I just found out one program counts less than 10% of my hits(probably join page uniques) and I was dumb enough to enjoy their nice ratios for a while, but they are beyond horrible in real.

Where will this end? Sponsors counting 1% of your traffic to improve ratios?

We count first and second

all your traffic and still convert amazing

andrej_NDC · 08-23-2005, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

We count first and second

all your traffic and still convert amazing

sure?

can I make a test and post the stats?

andrej_NDC · 08-23-2005, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

Ive said this many times before - all you need to do is compare $/raw click sent to each of your sponsors from YOUR stats, this is the only way to equally guage relative performance of different sponsors. Sponsor stats are of no use to eachother in comparison due to the different ways of counting.

I wish somebody would make a script for affiliates, so they could use it to track their own stats(raws, uniques, etc).

andrej_NDC · 08-23-2005, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

I wish somebody would make a script for affiliates, so they could use it to track their own stats(raws, uniques, etc).

hmm, well, maybe I will do it

DutchTeenCash · 08-23-2005, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JaceXXX

yeah, i was wondering that myself....he must have misspoken

1:800 join page uniques is horrible. Like I said ppl sending no optin or blind exit and THEN getting 1:800 first page is not bad. Im talkin crappy traffic.

sfera · 08-23-2005, 11:08 AM

maybe to see howmany people are clciking the joing buttons on your galleries

SmokeyTheBear · 08-23-2005, 11:18 AM

Good sponsors with proper hit tracking , track every hit.. ( like spacash )

First page , second page , join page , AND they are sorted by country..

vvq · 08-23-2005, 11:19 AM

Traffic Gigolos counts 1st page uniques.

justsexxx · 08-23-2005, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

I wish somebody would make a script for affiliates, so they could use it to track their own stats(raws, uniques, etc).

Wasn't dollars.com to offer this?

Anyway, I use my own already. And it sucks I agree. Some ppl just look at ratio's....

Jim Neil · 08-23-2005, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by vvq

Traffic Gigolos counts 1st page uniques.

Just signed up...

What are some other sponsors that count 1st page uniques (leave out ccbill)?

SmokeyTheBear · 08-23-2005, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Neil

Just signed up...

What are some other sponsors that count 1st page uniques (leave out ccbill)?

The best one is aready in your sig ;)

Wegcash counts first's
so does nastydollars.
I think bangbrosonline counts seconds
so does reaitycash

Pete-KT · 08-23-2005, 11:38 AM

we count first page hits, signup to us and if you need anything contact me on icq and i will help you out. If you need any custom galleries or ads and banners made i can also have those made for you.

my icq is 285-458-749 and to signup go to www.nichepay.com

Jim Neil · 08-23-2005, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by NichePay_PeteKT

we count first page hits, signup to us and if you need anything contact me on icq and i will help you out. If you need any custom galleries or ads and banners made i can also have those made for you.

my icq is 285-458-749 and to signup go to www.nichepay.com

Will do - just signed up... I always like to support other people from MI too.. Where abouts in MI are you at ?

andrej_NDC · 08-23-2005, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

The best one is aready in your sig ;)

Wegcash counts first's
so does nastydollars.
I think bangbrosonline counts seconds
so does reaitycash

nasty doesnt, if they do, many of my clicks get lost then

08-23-2005, 06:12 AM	#1
andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	Why do sponsors count 2nd page or join page uniques? Are their real stats so shitty? I just found out one program counts less than 10% of my hits(probably join page uniques) and I was dumb enough to enjoy their nice ratios for a while, but they are beyond horrible in real. Where will this end? Sponsors counting 1% of your traffic to improve ratios?

08-23-2005, 06:20 AM	#3
Mefo Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 6,169	to make their stats look better... that's the only thing I can come up with it right now =/ __________________

08-23-2005, 06:22 AM	#5
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08-23-2005, 06:23 AM	#6
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	Second page hits and join page hits are useful, but ratios certainly shouldn't be calculated on that information. It is misleading. I think they're useful 'cause it shows the effectiveness of the tour to send the surfer to the next page or the join page. I guess it's more useful to the program owner than to the affiliate, but i guess some affiliates would be interested. __________________ 26 + 6 = 1

08-23-2005, 06:25 AM	#8
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08-23-2005, 06:17 AM	#2
Jensen Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Norway Posts: 3,790	ROI is all that matters.. (but yep, this does make us ccbill only sponsors look bad with newbs that doesn't understand though)

08-23-2005, 06:21 AM	#4
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	sounds like perfect gonzo, i stopped promoting them once I figured out what my real ratios were....i started tracking my own shit and was only seeing like 10% of my clicks in their control panel....i am guessing they track join page hits why anyone would put up with shit like that is beyond me unless they are making insane bankrolls with them

08-23-2005, 06:23 AM	#7
GatorB The Demon & 12clicks Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: SallyRand is a FAGGOT Posts: 18,208	So they can say that they are covnerting at 1:100 when they are relly converting at 1:1000. I'm always skeptical of any sponsor that counts uniques that way.

08-23-2005, 06:30 AM	#9
soukee Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: EU Posts: 1,108	I think ideal is to count 1st page uniques but 1st page raw isn't bad as well. The worst is when sponsor counts 2nd page uniques and only from some countries... __________________ I am still looking for new mature trades. Let's trade

08-23-2005, 07:10 AM	#11
DutchTeenCash I like Dutch Girls Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: dutchteencash.com Posts: 21,684	Its a way to get a better ratio. And it sucks imho. Just like kicking affiliates who send 10k and get no signup cause they send shitty blind exits. If you only count joinpage hits then everyone has a 1:10 ratio or so. __________________ ICQ 16 91 547 - SKYPE dutchteencash bob AT dutchteencash DOT com ... did you see our newest Sweet Natural Girl Priscilla (18)?

08-23-2005, 07:27 AM	#14
marec Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: .sk Posts: 681	andrej ... you know it's a question of stats then all of them can send ratios like 1:53-1:200 .. and it means nothing but 1:900 - 1: 3000 ..... or? __________________ TRANNY POLICE .com - To Serve and Fuck JOIN www.trannydollars.com - niche tranny program NOW !

08-23-2005, 07:37 AM	#16
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	i love when sponsor show first page, 2nd page, and join page hits

08-23-2005, 08:10 AM	#18
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,174	Why do people even care about the "conversion ratio"? it's a useless number, other than maybe being able to compare the same traffic over different periods.

08-23-2005, 08:46 AM	#19
Dollarmansteve Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: T.O. Posts: 2,849	Ive said this many times before - all you need to do is compare $/raw click sent to each of your sponsors from YOUR stats, this is the only way to equally guage relative performance of different sponsors. Sponsor stats are of no use to eachother in comparison due to the different ways of counting. __________________ I died.

08-23-2005, 11:08 AM	#27
sfera Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: ICQ: 248877409 Posts: 8,597	maybe to see howmany people are clciking the joing buttons on your galleries

08-23-2005, 11:18 AM	#28
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	Good sponsors with proper hit tracking , track every hit.. ( like spacash ) First page , second page , join page , AND they are sorted by country.. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

08-23-2005, 11:19 AM	#29
vvq Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: TrafficGigolos.com Posts: 2,732	Traffic Gigolos counts 1st page uniques. __________________ SQUIRTING - LESBIAN SPANKING - TITTY FUCKING - WET PANTIES - MORE We offer free hosting, your own designer (works for free), and unsaturated content for gallery and free site submitters. Just contact me! E-mail: [email protected]

08-23-2005, 11:38 AM	#33
Pete-KT Workin With The Devil Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Bloomfield, MI Posts: 51,532	we count first page hits, signup to us and if you need anything contact me on icq and i will help you out. If you need any custom galleries or ads and banners made i can also have those made for you. my icq is 285-458-749 and to signup go to www.nichepay.com