Tom Cruise is a fucking lunatic *New Stuff*

[Meta Ridley]

This was from an interview on the Today show with Matt Lauer this morn,

As Lauer put it, things ?got a little tense? when Tom was asked about his anti-psychiatric views:

Tom: [with patented ferocity] Do you know what Adderall is? Do you know Ritalin? Do you know now that Ritalin is a street drug? [Ed: Oh, har har. We?re on Ritalin right now.]
Matt: I understand the abuse of all these things ?
T: [interrupting] Yeah but you don?t understand the history of these drugs. And if you do, you know that it masks the problem. There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance!
M: But ?
T: No, Matt, I know these things ?
M: No ?
T: Listen ?
[This continues for a few moments and we stop listening.]
M: So, depression ? is it all gobbledy gook?
T: No, Matt, I?m not saying that. That?s an alteration of what I?m saying. These drugs are dangerous, mind-altering chemicals. There are ways of handling these problems so that we don?t end up in a Brave New World.
M: You want [other people] to do well, but you want them to do well on a road that you approve of.
T: No ?
M: [interrupting] But if anti-depressants worked for Brooke Shields, isn?t that okay?
T: I disagree with it.
M: But aren?t there examples where it works?
T: You don?t even know what Ritalin is! If you read the papers on how they came up with the drug, the dosage? You should be more responsible in knowing what it is. I am responsible. I know these things.
M: You?re saying that you know how it affected people you don?t know, but I do? You?re now telling me that what has and hasn?t worked for people I know, and I?m telling you I lived with these people and I saw an improvement.
T: So you?re advocating?
M: No, I?m not. I?m just saying that in their individual cases, it helped them? We could go in circles on this matter. But do you want more people to understand Scientology? Is that a goal of yours?
T: Of course. And I don?t talk about things I don?t understand.


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[PenisFace]

I think Tom is just a tad bit brain washed

[Machete_]

I think he is right... anti-depressants dosent fix things. Its like closing the eyes when a truck is heading for you.. You can't se it, but its still there

fix your life and lay off the drugs...

[Fletch XXX]

The basis of Scientology is the lack of drugs.

Read Dianetics.

I have, many many many times

[Fletch XXX]

Scientologists, and myself included believe that almost 100% of human illness is psychosomatic.

common cold is bullshit.

it is psychosomatic, as most human ills...

so to not believe in the illness but to believe in the cure would be lame, Tom Cruise is right.

[hova]

he is crazy,and a midget

[PenisFace]

Originally Posted by hova

he is crazy,and a midget

As for Fletch, damn, my whole opinion of you just did an about-face. So you're saying that if I take anti-anxiety medication, and do great when in public settings, where as when I wasn't on any, I could barely function outside of the house... that it's all in my mind? That just don't make no sense.

[Fletch XXX]

I suffer from panic and anxiety and do not beluieve in medication for it. Started a thread on my board yesterday about anxiety actually...

pills are not the answer.

as for your opinion of me, doesnt matter. you think i made up common cold is psychosomatic?

common cold IS psychosomatic

did i say there are no ills that are curable?

no, but it is a FACT that many human illnesses are completely psychosomatic.

you can think of me what you will. my education is worth more than anyones opinion.

[MyNameIsEmily]

Congrats on your biased thread, coined with "Fucking Lunatic".


I happen to agree with Tom. There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance.

[Thomas N]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

Scientologists, and myself included believe that almost 100% of human illness is psychosomatic.

common cold is bullshit.

it is psychosomatic, as most human ills...

so to not believe in the illness but to believe in the cure would be lame, Tom Cruise is right.

Idiotic.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by SwordFish

Idiotic.

prove me wrong then.

i have links from scientists claiming i am right.

[Fletch XXX]

i have met scientologist who think cancer is psychosomatic. I do not share that view, but that shows the extreme of scientology and psychosomatic ills.

[Fletch XXX]

anyone else have Scientology books on their desk right now?

I have 2

[taggart]

I happen to agree with Tom too. There really is no such thing as a natural chemical "imbalance". What that usually refers to is an imbalance of serotonin and dopamine, which can lead to depression, anxiety, etc. It would have to be caused by exposure to an outside agent. Most people with depression just have had a shitty life and need some therapy.

Side note: I used to snort Ritalin in high school. It was better than coke!

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by taggart

I happen to agree with Tom too. There really is no such thing as a natural chemical "imbalance". What that usually refers to is an imbalance of serotonin and dopamine, which can lead to depression, anxiety, etc. It would have to be caused by exposure to an outside agent. Most people with depression just have had a shitty life and need some therapy.

Side note: I used to snort Ritalin in high school. It was better than coke!

The chapter in Dianetics on Beocoming "Clear" explains it all.

Most in this thread seem to not understand Scientology as a whole, if they did, they would understand Tom Cruise point.

Scientology uses alternate methods, as opposed to pills and drugs.

I invite anyone to read the books, I have been reading scientology for years, lots of good info at least.

[Thomas N]

Basing your views on something like this, on the drivel of a really bad science fiction writer, only proves how disconnected from reality you are. Sad.

[xxxice]

good stuff i likes

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by SwordFish

Basing your views on something like this, on the drivel of a really bad science fiction writer, only proves how disconnected from reality you are. Sad.

basing my views?

the scientific fact of psychosomatic ills has little or nothing to do with scientology.

if i believed in everything i read, i would be a buddhist, satanist, serial killer.

just because I familiarize myself with literature doesnt mean i am disconnected from reality, id say, he who hasnt picked up a book on the subject but wants to talk about it, is in fact the disconnnected one.

as i said, there are google links for days backing up my claim about psychosomatic ills, and has NOTHING to do with scientology,... HUbbard simply used that in scientology.

try reading a book instead

[Peaches]

I was listening to the Today show this AM - everyone there seemed to think TC was quite rude with Matt. Perhaps Tom needs some Ritalin.

[Nightwind]

Yup he is right, without going in to anymore detail on my behalf.

[jimmyf]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

anyone else have Scientology books on their desk right now?

I have 2

Read it then tossed the dam thing.. Years and years ago.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by jimmyf

Read it then tossed the dam thing.. Years and years ago.

Had a good friend who went full-blown Scientologist a few years back. Gave me more books. I havent read them in awhile, was going to re-read them.

The Church Of Scientology building is not far from here.

[Donny]

Originally Posted by PenisFace

As for Fletch, damn, my whole opinion of you just did an about-face. So you're saying that if I take anti-anxiety medication, and do great when in public settings, where as when I wasn't on any, I could barely function outside of the house... that it's all in my mind? That just don't make no sense.

Actually, that makes perfect sense. You believed in your mind before the drug that you couldn't function in public. When given a crutch (the drug) your mind now believes you can function in public and you remain calm. Your mind is much more powerful than you think.

[jimmyf]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

Had a good friend who went full-blown Scientologist a few years back. Gave me more books. I havent read them in awhile, was going to re-read them.

The Church Of Scientology building is not far from here.

I know it took me years and years and years to get off there mailing list. They had an office down the street from mine when I was in the Bay Area.

[Paraskass]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

Scientologists, and myself included believe that almost 100% of human illness is psychosomatic.

common cold is bullshit.

it is psychosomatic, as most human ills...

so to not believe in the illness but to believe in the cure would be lame, Tom Cruise is right.

so is aids and cancer.

it's amazing that all our brains can imagine the same symptoms and our bodies develope them.

note: I also learnt to fly because my brain wanted me to.

[Paraskass]

Originally Posted by hova

he is crazy,and a midget

[Donny]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

basing my views?

the scientific fact of psychosomatic ills has little or nothing to do with scientology.

if i believed in everything i read, i would be a buddhist, satanist, serial killer.

just because I familiarize myself with literature doesnt mean i am disconnected from reality, id say, he who hasnt picked up a book on the subject but wants to talk about it, is in fact the disconnnected one.

as i said, there are google links for days backing up my claim about psychosomatic ills, and has NOTHING to do with scientology,... HUbbard simply used that in scientology.

try reading a book instead

Good post.

[MyNameIsEmily]

See, all things are relative.

I wouldn't say I agree with all things 'Hubbard', but I believe in the science and psychology of the mind and it's direct relation to the human body.


A psychiatrists job is to prescribe medicine.

Anyone can walk into a session- tell them where you're at emotionally and where you'd like to be- and a psychiatrist will prescribe you something to take you there, without any x-ray, or even checking your blood pressure.

The usual session of Q & Fucking A goes like this:
Q. How are you with money? Do you spend it radically, or do you save it?
Q. Do you sleep well at night, or do you toss and turn?
Q. Loss of appetite? Over eating?
Q. Drink, smoke, use drugs?
Q How close are you to your family?

Total, there's 25 possible answers- 24 of them will get you a prescription. There's a statistic flying around that some 90-95% of all psychiatric patients walk out the door with a prescription.

But you know, for the most part, they (phsychaitrists) probably believe in their method of treatment. But it really doesn't work- they just get high and fugeddaboudit. They'll be taking medication their whole life and never see a cure. Any you know, any kind of drug you put into your body is just going to add to your dopamine levels...


Here's a simple psychiatric rating scale. Basically, if you don't rank a 3 in every question, you need medication.


Media doesn't have much ground, so people aren't going to give Tom or Southpark the serious reaction they wants. After all, he was a Vampire in that one movie and Southpark is a cartoon.



All and all, I'm suck and tired of people talking about fields they are not educated in AS IF they actually knew something about it.

So fucking prescribe your children Ritalin. They don't play well with others.

[FilthyRob]

Yeah, cult behavior

[MyNameIsEmily]

Originally Posted by SwordFish

Basing your views on something like this, on the drivel of a really bad science fiction writer, only proves how disconnected from reality you are. Sad.

And where is your feild of expertise, television?

[MyNameIsEmily]

Of course, it's all over after I post.

People hate challenging women because we're always right.

[nojob]

Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

Actually, that makes perfect sense. You believed in your mind before the drug that you couldn't function in public. When given a crutch (the drug) your mind now believes you can function in public and you remain calm. Your mind is much more powerful than you think.

This all does make sense. I always that people just needed to hear that this drug will make it all better and they believed it. I compare it to when you are younger and you give someone a drink that is non alcohol based ( but you tell them it is) , they then act drunk.

[Peaches]

All I know is that Imitrex is the only thing that helps my migraines. If it was all in my mind, the other 50+ drugs I've tried would helped

[ColBigBalls]

Originally Posted by PenisFace

As for Fletch, damn, my whole opinion of you just did an about-face. So you're saying that if I take anti-anxiety medication, and do great when in public settings, where as when I wasn't on any, I could barely function outside of the house... that it's all in my mind? That just don't make no sense.

I think the arguement here is that yes the pills may help, but in the long run it dosent "Fix" or "Cure" the root problem. But then again maybe just helping someone to live with the problem is enough..?

Arguments can be made for both sides of the coin. Understanding both is the tricky part

[C-Bass]

So that means that this rash is all in my head?

[Dollarmansteve]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

i have met scientologist who think cancer is psychosomatic. I do not share that view, but that shows the extreme of scientology and psychosomatic ills.

This is not so far from the truth, I think, but only if taken in the right context. I believe you could argue that all illness is psychosomatic in the same way you could argue something like "I was born, therefore I went to school", causally connected, yes, but seperated by a great 'distance'.

For example, someone who believes they are sick or who are worried about getting sick are definitely prone to illness. Simply look at hypertension which is a direct result of constant 'stress'. Someone who is worried all the time may not eat healthy, may have bad coping habits (smoking, drinking), may have constant tension/anxiety, may fear going to the doctor etc, etc.. All of these factors may in fact lead to a serious illness. Now, once someone is acutally sick and has cancer, arguing that a tumour is psychosomatic is pretty difficult, but psychological causes (along with others) can not be dismissed from serious illness.

edit: I am not a scientologist, they're all completely bonkers. WHERE's MY THETAN!!

[Pleasurepays]

L Ron Hubbard is the man!!

A derranged felon, diagnosed schizophrenic and author of science fiction books wakes up one day and starts a cult on a bet and everything he says becomes gospel in just a few decades.

[jimmyf]

Originally Posted by Spotter_03

So that means that this rash is all in my head?

yep sure is.

so is my high blood pressure.

But if I don't take those pills, guess what I'll stroke out

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by Spotter_03

So that means that this rash is all in my head?

Actually, yes - there has been scientific proof that psychosomatic skin conditions do in fact exist.

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/enc...ensitivity.htm

One is called Multiple Chemical Sensitivity. In fact, there is something called "Sick Building Syndrome" that causes people to get sick with no explanation.

Multiple chemical sensitivity (MCS), also known
as "20th Century Syndrome", "Environmental illness", "Quick Facts about: Sick Building Syndrome
Quick Summary not found for this subjectSick Building Syndrome", Idiopathic Environmental Intolerance (IEI), and a host of other names, can be defined as a "chronic, recurring disease caused by a person's inability to tolerate an environmental chemical or class of foreign chemicals" according to the NIH National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences web site.
MCS is a non-standard medical diagnosis for people with unexplained allergy-like symptoms who believe that traces of several modern industrial or household chemicals are responsible. Conventional medicine does not recognize this diagnosis, because there is no definitive test, no plausible scientific mechanism, no reliable studies have demonstrated its claims, and because the symptoms are explainable by other means such as more conventional allergies, infectious disease, or psychological reaction to stress. There isn't even a meaningful description of the disease, making diagnosis practically impossible. Typically, people who show vague symptoms which resemble allergic reactions are diagnosed with it.

There is evidence that MCS is a purely psychosomatic disease. In tests of dozens of people who where diagnosed (by alternative health practitioners) as having MCS, none of them showed any reaction to suspected substances when exposed to them without their knowledge, though they did show allergic reactions when they knew they were being exposed. They also showed allergic reactions to injections of (biologically inert) saline solution or exposure to purified air when they were falsely told they were being exposed to suspect substances. In short, there was no correlation between actual exposure and reaction, only between perceived exposure and reaction.

It should be noted that illnesses such as Quick Facts about: asthma
Respiratory disorder characterized by wheezing; usually of allergic originasthma and (normal) allergies where also once considered to be psychosomatic. The difference between MCS and these others however is that symptoms of MCS vary wildly and are not repeatable in blind tests.

asthma is another big one, many feel that over 90% of human illness is psychosomatic.

yes, people can have psychosomatic rash, or even make the rash itself worse than it really is.

http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/27000225/

To an extent, most diseases are 'psychosomatic' - involving both mind and body.

* There is a mental aspect to every physical disease. How we react to and cope with disease varies greatly from person to person. For example, the rash of psoriasis may not bother some people very much. But, the rash covering the same parts of the body in someone else may make them feel depressed and more 'ill'.
* There can be physical effects from mental illness. For example, with some mental illnesses you may not eat or take care of yourself very well which can cause physical problems.

However, the term psychosomatic disorder is mainly used to mean "a physical disease which is thought to be caused, or made worse, by mental factors". Some physical diseases are thought to be particularly prone to be made worse by mental factors such as stress and anxiety. For example, psoriasis, eczema, stomach ulcers, high blood pressure, and heart disease. It is thought that the actual physical part of the illness, (the extent of a rash, the level of the blood pressure, etc) can be affected by mental factors. This is difficult to prove. However, many people with these, and other physical diseases, say that their current mental state can affect how bad their physical disease is at any given time.

Some people also use the term psychosomatic disorder when mental factors cause physical symptoms, but where there is no physical disease. For example, a chest pain may be caused by stress, and no physical disease is can be found. Physical symptoms caused by mental factors are discussed further in a another leaflet called 'Somatization and Somatoform Disorders'.

[Rinaldo]

if it isn't all mental then explain why placebos still work 60% or better on most tests

Next time you hear a radio add for a drug listen closely how it'll say "most patients saw releif from taking this xxxxx medication, similar effects were shown with the use of placebo"

[cherrylula]

You forgot "gay" right before "fucking lunatic" in the title.

[Dollarmansteve]

Originally Posted by Rinaldo

if it isn't all mental then explain why placebos still work 60% or better on most tests

Did you know that 54% of all statistics are just made up on the spot?

[SaintElGrouch]

So illnesses given to children at birth are the fault of the parent's mind or the child's mind?

[SaintElGrouch]

Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

Did you know that 54% of all statistics are just made up on the spot?

[Meta Ridley]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

Scientologists, and myself included believe that almost 100% of human illness is psychosomatic.

common cold is bullshit.

it is psychosomatic, as most human ills...

so to not believe in the illness but to believe in the cure would be lame, Tom Cruise is right.

You're idiotic.

My uncle has been a scientologist for most of his life now.
Everything they taught him has worsened his life. He's given a shitload of money to them, and is pretty much broke, even tho he is the most talented person I know.
About the medicine, he swears off medicine just like cruise, and hes had progressive back problems his whole adult life. Because of Scientology, he has refused doctors and medicine and any other treatment because he believes he can heal himself. Well, now he can barley walk anymore, he's not even 50, and he lives in constant pain. Fucking lot of good that did him.
This is onle one story of many of how that fucking lame cult ruins lives.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by Meta Ridley

You're idiotic.

But at least I back up my claims with scientific fact instead of insults

[Meta Ridley]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

But at least I back up my claims with scientific fact instead of insults

I claimed Scientology was a stupid cult and backed it up what do you want.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by SaintElGrouch

So illnesses given to children at birth are the fault of the parent's mind or the child's mind?

does it matter? you can argue whether or not christ rose from the dead for the next 1000 years and even if someone found the remains burried under a rock somewhere, it would not have a significant imapact on christianity.

you are arguing about a belief system based on faith, taught be a guy who started a religion because he thought it would make more money than writing books.

does it matter who is right or wrong? if they were so right about everything, would they need to detain people and force them to watch movies and ostracize anyone who doubted them - and lable doubters (suppressive personalities) as their biggest enemies? dianetics is fairly clever in its design and debating someones belief system is really futile.

[Fletch XXX]

Since this charachter wants to say I am wrong about common colds, I will prove Im right and then be done with this know-nothing

It's no secret that stress can take a toll on your health, but a new study shows that keeping a positive attitude could be just the right medicine to fight the common cold.

The study, appearing in the July issue of Psychosomatic Medicine, reports that people with a positive attitude -- energetic, happy, and relaxed -- are less likely to catch colds than people who are depressed, nervous, or angry. The study even reported that uptight or sad people are also more likely to complain of cold symptoms even when they don't have a cold.

http://my.webmd.com/content/article/71/81297.htm

now tell me im wrong and make up another story about your uncle

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by SaintElGrouch

So illnesses given to children at birth are the fault of the parent's mind or the child's mind?