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woj · 05-19-2005, 11:52 PM

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-19-2005, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonesy

WELCOME TO A THING CALLED LIFE.

There ya go confusing me...

I been called everything in the book taken advantage of in almost every business way, kicked, stabbed, beaten and stolen from in this industry since I got in it.

Ya people wonder why I got an attitude...
I hope KB gets as angry as I have about the way things work in this business.
There is no consequence in taking advantage of people and stepping on them, its only profitable. Every successful man in this biz has stepped on and utilised people to get to the top taking advantage of someone at various points to become successful.

Adult is for people that think out of the box, people that do not like structure about them and capitalists in everyway by any means possible.
Even if it takes stabbing a loyal friend in the back for the buck...

Its pretty sickenning.

jonesy · 05-19-2005, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kBizzle

Better yet do me a favor and don't call me if you cannot trust me-
Especially if the information is so inflammatory it's going to chap your ass

I mean- is this something that you consider to be so covert that you are writing for AVN Online for free?

Come on Jonathon if we were talking about banging hookers at a tradeshow I can understand not wanting to have that information posted publically-

But this- get real man- It's so fucking dumb

amazing that you havent apologized.

i dont know either of you guys but based on what ive read you breached jstyles trust on a conversation that was private and not intened for public knowledge.

whats funny is youre a smart guy and have been in this biz for quite sometime and your defense it "its not a big deal?" like you dont know why styles would be pissed off or AVN for that matter?

A person under the guise of writing a column for a magazine whose sole purpose is to promote their product and the magazine endorsing it isnt exactly information that anyone would would public for the obvious reasons

credibility or lack therof

TheGoldenChild · 05-20-2005, 12:00 AM

so you apologize?
BTW Did you tell Jen ( your sister) you were writing for AVN? I haven't told her yet..I know it would kill her.

Are you going to cal lher and tell her now that the cat is out of the bag?

Just wondering.

Donny · 05-20-2005, 12:02 AM

i once masturbated in a movie theatre bathroom

and i got caught

and the guy tried to lead me to the lord, who had delivered him from his lust and chronic masturbation

i was in the navy at the time

then i went and watched a bruce willis movie that had a hot chick showing her naked ass

then i had to masturbate again

J$tyle$ · 05-20-2005, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonesy

A person under the guise of writing a column for a magazine whose sole purpose is to promote their product and the magazine endorsing it isnt exactly information that anyone would would public for the obvious reasons

credibility or lack therof

The point is, that's the way his statement made it appear WHICH WAS NOT THE CASE

In my conversation with AVN it was expressed that "WE CANNOT" have this appear as an "advitorial" ... to which we AGREED!

My intention was to NOT write about any of my companies, products or services AT ALL ... only about aspects of the content business we all felt were suitable and information that would be valuable to the readers.

TheGoldenChild · 05-20-2005, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonesy

amazing that you havent apologized.

i dont know either of you guys but based on what ive read you breached jstyles trust on a conversation that was private and not intened for public knowledge.

whats funny is youre a smart guy and have been in this biz for quite sometime and your defense it "its not a big deal?" like you dont know why styles would be pissed off or AVN for that matter?

A person under the guise of writing a column for a magazine whose sole purpose is to promote their product and the magazine endorsing it isnt exactly information that anyone would would public for the obvious reasons

credibility or lack therof

Jonesy while I respect your opinion- I 'll have to ask you to bear in mind there are some personal issues at hand here that not many people would be priviledged enough to know about-

Take my word for this-
Also Jonathon calls me and tells me 100 things in a phone conversation that you'd think would be everyday fodder- but with J Styles his life is more important than everyone elses I see...

jonesy · 05-20-2005, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

There ya go confusing me...

I been called everything in the book taken advantage of in almost every business way, kicked, stabbed, beaten and stolen from in this industry since I got in it.

Ya people wonder why I got an attitude...
I hope KB gets as angry as I have about the way things work in this business.
There is no consequence in taking advantage of people and stepping on them, its only profitable. Every successful man in this biz has stepped on and utilised people to get to the top taking advantage of someone at various points to become successful.

Adult is for people that think out of the box, people that do not like structure about them and capitalists in everyway by any means possible.
Even if it takes stabbing a loyal friend in the back for the buck...

Its pretty sickenning.

you may be nuts alien but i do like ya cause i understand your motives and what your about.

injustice is your opponent.

most here dont understand you because in your cause to fight injustice you create insanity and not clarity in your posts.

take the time to think before you post.

youll find that to be more beneficial to your cause.

J$tyle$ · 05-20-2005, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kBizzle

so you apologize?
BTW Did you tell Jen ( your sister) you were writing for AVN? I haven't told her yet..I know it would kill her.

Are you going to cal lher and tell her now that the cat is out of the bag?

Just wondering.

Man, you're just poison tonight.

jonesy · 05-20-2005, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kBizzle

Jonesy while I respect your opinion- I 'll have to ask you to bear in mind there are some personal issues at hand here that not many people would be priviledged enough to know about-

Take my word for this-
Also Jonathon calls me and tells me 100 things in a phone conversation that you'd think would be everyday fodder- but with J Styles his life is more important than everyone elses I see...

point taken.

but isnt everyones life more important than everyone elses?

Sly · 05-20-2005, 12:07 AM

Wait a minute... are D-Money and J-Styles brother-in-laws?

TheGoldenChild · 05-20-2005, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J$tyle$

Man, you're just poison tonight.

no I am being REAL.
WOuld you all sell out your friends and family for your own gain?

Inquiring minds wanna know.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-20-2005, 12:13 AM

Jonesy I am only here to make a buck now.
Nuttin else.
I do not need friends I do not want them.
People in short scare me I been betrayed to much.

Someone wants a kick ass converting tour they can pay me.
Someone wants print ad's they can pay me.
Someone wants some information that might help there business they can pay me.
Someone wants CONTENT shot in HD they can pay me.
Someone wants video edited, they can pay me.
Someone wants referrals they can pay me.

I take the time with very few people in this business as friends but ya can always trust I am watching my back at all times. Its kinda sad to love someone knowing they potentially wield a knife with my name on it...

Aly · 05-20-2005, 12:19 AM

Now I WANT to call you DARLING, Jonesy!

...I'm so conflicted.

you're very cool.

J$tyle$ · 05-20-2005, 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kBizzle

no I am being REAL.
WOuld you all sell out your friends and family for your own gain?

Inquiring minds wanna know.

Kevin,

This not YOU being REAL ... lt's just rediculous.

Props for the professional button pushing job you're doing though.

You reeled me in very well!

TheGoldenChild · 05-20-2005, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonesy

point taken.

but isnt everyones life more important than everyone elses?

You'll find out the answer to that question when you need a kidney real fast.
I am learning more and more everyday that there are a lot fewer people out there willing to donate, that's all.

jonesy · 05-20-2005, 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

I do not need friends I do not want them.
People in short scare me I been betrayed to much.

I take the time with very few people in this business as friends but ya can always trust I am watching my back at all times. Its kinda sad to love someone knowing they potentially wield a knife with my name on it...

i cant say i feel or have felt the same - ive dealt with that twice but they fade in comparison to the supportive ones.

everyone has em and moves forward

its sad alienq that you go through life like that, you gotta ask yourself "why do people fuck me over?"

i would guess some shit from childhood but lets not go there cause im no psycho analyst and this is fuckin gfy

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-20-2005, 12:43 AM

It's not all that bitter.

I got a loving wife an awesome Cat, a decent home and phone that never stops ringing;)

But I tell ya I put on a "Batman" outfit and serve my own justice from time to time. But I think ya know this.

jonesy · 05-20-2005, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kBizzle

You'll find out the answer to that question when you need a kidney real fast.
I am learning more and more everyday that there are a lot fewer people out there willing to donate, that's all.

well having been in similiar situations i havent experienced what your alluding to just the opposite on both ends of the spectrum

i dont call it luck - I call it good instincts.

jonesy · 05-20-2005, 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aly_AVN

Now I WANT to call you DARLING, Jonesy!

...I'm so conflicted.

you're very cool.

its DAH-LING, Honey

thanks but im just another dude with an opinion.

jonesy · 05-20-2005, 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

It's not all that bitter.

I got a loving wife an awesome Cat, a decent home and phone that never stops ringing;)

But I tell ya I put on a "Batman" outfit and serve my own justice from time to time. But I think ya know this.

dude you got heart, but you direct it in a way thats so out of focus people cant see/realize what the fuck your doin.

J$tyle$ · 05-20-2005, 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kBizzle

and for the record, I wrote that entire section for Jay at AVN about myself
I also never thought in a million years they'd be dumb enough to print the part about me being the next best marketer to Hugh Hefner-

But low and behold, they printed every word...

Quote:

Originally Posted by kBizzle

so you apologize?
BTW Did you tell Jen ( your sister) you were writing for AVN? I haven't told her yet..I know it would kill her.

Are you going to cal lher and tell her now that the cat is out of the bag?

Just wondering.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kBizzle

no I am being REAL.
WOuld you all sell out your friends and family for your own gain?

Inquiring minds wanna know.

So, wait a minute - YOU wrote a shameless self promoting piece about yourself for AVN?

Did you tell Jen?

Did it kill her?

Are you going to go into her room and tell her now that the cat is out of the bag?

Who's the sellout here, Kevin?

Inquiring minds wanna know.

Just wondering?

Can you say hypocrite?

I know you can!

LOL

Rui · 05-20-2005, 03:26 AM

This thread and what is beeing discussed here is disturbing on so many levels :S

vicki · 05-20-2005, 06:49 AM

I really should just keep my mouth shut but what the hay, Aly asked for opinions

The original question was - Does AVN have a credibility issue?
The answer is simple, yes, and it's been that way since I came on the scene in 97

Can it be changed?
I think a lot of us would tend to think only if they blow up the old orifice, bulldoze it away to start fresh.
Aly, I admire your attempts at remodeling and I REALLY admire them for hiring you to try and change things, but all I see are bandaids being placed trying to cover broken bones. Until the powers that be realize AVN doesn't have a focused product, gameplan OR audience and take tremendous action in that arena, I don't see any phoenix rising from the ashes.

Go undercover and ask around on a number of boards what AVN stands for, and what its purpose is. I think you'll see a wide variety of answers - some may be shocking. When it comes to business, imho its important to focus on one thing and do it well. Trying to be a little bit of everything waters down quality on all fronts.

I'll give a quick example of common webmaster perceptions - a group of us were in Vegas for the shows in January 2 years ago. There was a bet of $5k put forward by one in the group saying he could predict 80% or more of the award winners before they were announced. Guess how many of us took him up on the bet .. none. Were his predictions correct .. of course.

Lee said its just business .. Lee there are good ways of doing business and there are not so good ways. It all comes down to a few simple things. Define what your product IS, define your target audiences' wants/needs, and define how you can present your product in good light to them so it'll attract more end-users.

As for the show in Miami, advertise on ceilings, floors, windows, napkins, spritz bottles, columns, elevators, escalators, restrooms (inside AND outside!) and even on toilet paper! Cmon now, when is enough dollar bleeding considered deadly?

If AVN wants to be known for Greed, then by all means they've succeeded and I offer cudos. If not, there is a serious battle to fight.

Sorry if this comes off as harsh but I tend to call em as I see em.
Aly, you know I luv ya and I wish you luck on this uphill endevour .. your tenacity will be your greatest tool at trying to fix things ;)

jayeff · 05-20-2005, 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vicki

I'll give a quick example of common webmaster perceptions - a group of us were in Vegas for the shows in January 2 years ago. There was a bet of $5k put forward by one in the group saying he could predict 80% or more of the award winners before they were announced. Guess how many of us took him up on the bet .. none. Were his predictions correct .. of course.

I have never been able to decide who is the more foolish: AVN for ruining their credibility over their "awards" program or those who pander to AVN to win what all but newbies have to know are empty accolades. When I see someone boasting an AVN award, it's right up there with "win a Ferrari" in terms of putting my scepticism into high gear.

Fletch XXX · 05-20-2005, 07:19 AM

theres a fine line between "news" and article marketing.

news can in fact itself be marketing.

ATL_Ryan · 05-20-2005, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

i once masturbated in a movie theatre bathroom

and i got caught

and the guy tried to lead me to the lord, who had delivered him from his lust and chronic masturbation

i was in the navy at the time

then i went and watched a bruce willis movie that had a hot chick showing her naked ass

then i had to masturbate again

This is the best post you've ever made.

vicki · 05-20-2005, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayeff

I have never been able to decide who is the more foolish: AVN for ruining their credibility over their "awards" program or those who pander to AVN to win what all but newbies have to know are empty accolades. When I see someone boasting an AVN award, it's right up there with "win a Ferrari" in terms of putting my scepticism into high gear.

I remember back when I put my first site up, I got an email telling me I'd won an award for quality - in the top 50 adult sites on the web no less!! For everyone to know how good my site was all I had to do was place the 'award' gif on my page with a link to the awarding site.
I thought .. wow .. i'm goooood!! ROFLMAO
Two days later a veteran webmaster had a look at my site and informed me I'd just created a traffic leak and it was costing me money. He told me to go look at my server stats to see numbers leaving via the link and how many came in via thier link.

Needless to say he burst my bubble very quickly, I wasn't as talented as I thought I was LMAO

awards mean nothing if you have to pay for the trophy

GonZo · 05-20-2005, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kBizzle

the biggest problems I have with AVN are
A). They have me on their mailing list as KB from TripleX Cash
I haven't worked for them in almost three years...this tells me their information is old and outdated.

B). They fired my sister in law with NO CAUSE and still owe her a GRIP.
Never gave her an accounting of her commissions and fighting a woman who is expecting to give birth in a couple of months

The owner Paul Fishbein told me in an email exactly 1 year ago that she was like a sister to him and this was like a divorce - and that she'd get very penny owed to her

THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED.

My sister in law has been very upset by their actions, and that causes my entire family to be upset as well. When you fuck with my family- you have a major problem with me. PERIOD.

If AVN is such a powerhouse and has made a gazillion dollars over the last 9 years than the right thing to do is for them to PAY HER- not fight with her

After all, she helped the owners of AVN to millionaires. Now all she is getting is aggravation.

AVN needs to pay up to look good in my eyes- they breached an agreement and now are playing games. I have absolutely nothing to gain by posting this information only have something to lose...but obviously I have come to the realization that AVN does NOT put money in my pocket-
WEBMASTERS DO

The same webmasters that come to this board, the Phoenix Forum , The AWE shows, the Webmaster Access shows, and the Cybernet Expo-

Sure Internext is a great time and an excuse to come see many webmasters- but I see enough of them at the Players Ball- which by the way will always be at the same time as their show - and will NEVER AGAIN BE AFFILIATED WITH AVN.

Nice post.

GonZo · 05-20-2005, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollymoss

It is SAD how things have turned out between US.
Us meaning the veterans in the industry!! ( friends4ever ??)

? But I guess it is just the evolution of business. As saying goes ? ?It is not personal it is just business?. Can?t say it does not HURT.

Who would have guessed back in 1996 ? we would FAST FORWARD year 2005
and see posts on board like this!!

Don?t really have any amazing last remarks ? But I wish everybody well.

hmoss

Doesnt surprise me at all. The homie hookup continues to crumble.

CE_BigB · 05-20-2005, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kBizzle

You'll find out the answer to that question when you need a kidney real fast.
I am learning more and more everyday that there are a lot fewer people out there willing to donate, that's all.

EASY ON THE KIDNEY JOKES KB

BIG B
CECash.com

howard · 05-20-2005, 10:25 AM

1.. Since no one else is saying it--- Cmon guys..Your too old for this crap..Your acting real immature. Your arguments should not be public..

2. Avn--its just biz..No 1 in this biz is a saint--maybe except Aly..She might be the most humble person in this biz..As far as AVN I just think everyone is jealous of them cause they were the smartest and started there biz first. Opinions are like assholes and everyone has them

3.This Biz-- peoples come to this board and complain about one another--the lawsuits that go against one another--all the money they make--all the toys they have--the trips they take--the pics of there houses---the pics of there cars....

If I was the GOVT, and am already against porn, and can't stand how people profit from it--they come to as board and see how people act---its probably part of the reason all those ftc lawsuits came out...

I just have always the thought the smartest and the richest people are probably the people who keep there mouths closed and handle there biz 1 on 1.

Everything comes down to greed and the competition that everyone has to see who is going to die with the most toys....

Patrick- iWebmasters · 05-20-2005, 10:32 AM

milk milk lemonade....

BolognaIsGood · 05-20-2005, 10:35 AM

Will someone do the rest of the world a favor and put a cork in this moron.
I certainly hope the rest of the world is hip to the fact that this self promoting idiot is nothing more than a bag of hot wind. He's created nothing, he's done nothing in his life. Everything he has, he's cyphered off of other people. He's made a living off of other people originality and hard work. JStyles has never had an original thought.

JStyles is a 4 foot 10 inch sack of beans

Quote:

Originally Posted by J$tyle$

Kevin,

If I talk to you in private about something - ANYTHING ... and you mention it on the boards - it's not YOUR place, man!

Do you seriously NOT get that?

Would you expect me to talk on the boards about your trip last week? It's not my place. You told me details about that in private, right?

Apologize and be done.

ronaldo · 05-20-2005, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CE_BigB

EASY ON THE KIDNEY JOKES KB

BIG B
CECash.com

Because I like the parties involved, I'll keep my opinions to myself.

I WILL however say it's great to see you up and about BIG B.

CDSmith · 05-20-2005, 10:41 AM

Damn, I missed the AVN credibility issue, when did it come out?

Can I get that issue on back-order?

Joesho · 05-20-2005, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CE_BigB

EASY ON THE KIDNEY JOKES KB

BIG B
CECash.com

Glad to hear you are doing good Brian

Anthony · 05-20-2005, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J$tyle$

Regardless of your ill will towards AVN - you call your self a professional in one breath and then break MY trust in the next. WTF? Is it anybody's business on this board what I tell you in a fucking private conversation?

IN CONTEXT:

I'm no professional writer, THIS WE KNOW - but I'm going to work with both AVN Online and AVN Magazine and have their editorial staff help me get my thoughts down on various aspects of the Content business. There are 20 topics i can rattle off the top of my head regarding different points of interest that I think will help BOTH webmasters and the guys in the video business and add value to both magazines.

These won't be advatorial pieces for ContentBlowout.com or TheContentStore.com, but I'm sure they'll get exposure from writing articles month after month. Just got to keep my name out there consistantly!

Back to your regularly schuled programming.

Only thing I disagreed on with KB, was making public what would seem a private conversation. In the heat of things, shit happens though.

Look at it this way J, it still got your name out.

TheGoldenChild · 05-20-2005, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GonZo

Nice post.

The truth is a hard thing to run away from-
Unfortunately the truth can be very ugly as well-

I think there is nothing wrong with speaking the truth- the truth shall set you free....

I spent too many years being made a scapegoat for others and being discredited-

Not any more-
Skeletons take a long time to decompose- I'll be finding a lot of them and showing many of you who's closets they are hanging in.

Thanks Gonzo!

TheGoldenChild · 05-20-2005, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony

Only thing I disagreed on with KB, was making public what would seem a private conversation. In the heat of things, shit happens though.

Look at it this way J, it still got your name out.

Anthony , I respect you and your opinion so I'll break it down for you in an easier way to comprehend.

In that conversation in which J Styles told me 10 different things he had going on, which content producers he had just met with , how many volumes of titles he had collected, who he was calling next and how much money he was making etc...

One little caveat was that he would be writing a column for AVN and AVN Online as a platform to promote his own company. I skoffed at it, but it was a trivial part of the conversation. I laughed because my dear friend Houston was a columnist as well and she phoned in her article to Heidi every month ( she didn't want or need to extra publicity that much) I too had been asked by Farley to write a column for AVN- only after they saw how well I wrote an article for XBIZ. I told him they'd have to pay me a lot of money to do it- That was the end of the conversation.

Funny thing is all the time D was in good graces with AVN- sitting at the owners' table for the awards shows, and receiving referrals from them - do you think they gave a fuck about me?

NO.

Did they want to give me articles and coverage?
NO.
I was the "asshole" brother to them. The irony here is that when I brokered the sale of YNOT- AVN was the first company I approached about buying it. I recall Darren Roberts and Paul saying " Why do we need it? why do we need webmasters?"

I wonder how different the attitudes would be from webmasters now if they would have decided to get more engratiated with the webmaster community by acquiring YNOT back in 2000.

I believe in my opinion their business model is to "take, take, take"- and not give, give, give

makefuckingmoney · 05-21-2005, 01:08 AM

someone please explain the use of the word "credibility" in regards to porn..

makefuckingmoney · 05-21-2005, 01:09 AM

also..i should point out..i read nothing after the first 30 posts of the thread..i got the point..but it seemed to be heading down a path of a different agenda

makefuckingmoney · 05-21-2005, 01:12 AM

oops i just read above my posts..

ill stay out of it..this got too heated

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-21-2005, 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by makefuckingmoney

someone please explain the use of the word "credibility" in regards to porn..

You have the right to MakeFuckingMoney.
You have the right to say fuck off at anytime.

You have a right to publish nude pictures of nearly any type of sexual activity so long as you pay for it, have your paperwork in order and have a good standing in gaining market share while generating revenue for like minded men while capitalising on a very natural human act.

It is by this gaining market share pattern that one either gains credibility or buys it.

Very few have gained credibility and most have opted to buy it.
Strange!

Since I can't afford Credibiliy I goto earn it.

But thats just me.

makefuckingmoney · 05-21-2005, 01:21 AM

man i only wish i could edit those posts..haha ..this arguement got very personal between some long time good friends..

next time i will have to read all 247 posts before posting !

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-21-2005, 01:28 AM

It aint no biggie MFM at the end of the day everyone went to bed fell asleep and prolly regreted the whole thing. Kinda like a bad one nighter.

Well I wish that were true.
But none the less life will go on

TheGoldenChild · 05-21-2005, 01:33 PM

I forget nothing.

http://www.lukeisback.com/images/images/rosenblatt.pdf

Pipecrew · 05-21-2005, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kBizzle

I forget nothing.

http://www.lukeisback.com/images/images/rosenblatt.pdf

Looks like AVN pays employees pretty decent, that suit says she was basically making 300k/year.

and it also looks like she is playing the "i'am a woman, i cant believe you fired me!! etc etc, the boss hates women blah blah"

Typical lawsuit b.s.

TheGoldenChild · 05-21-2005, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pipecrew

Looks like AVN pays employees pretty decent, that suit says she was basically making 300k/year.

and it also looks like she is playing the "i'am a woman, i cant believe you fired me!! etc etc, the boss hates women blah blah"

Typical lawsuit b.s.

I think you missed the part where it says she had a written contract- and that it was breached for apparently no reason.

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05-20-2005, 12:13 AM	#163
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Jonesy I am only here to make a buck now. Nuttin else. I do not need friends I do not want them. People in short scare me I been betrayed to much. Someone wants a kick ass converting tour they can pay me. Someone wants print ad's they can pay me. Someone wants some information that might help there business they can pay me. Someone wants CONTENT shot in HD they can pay me. Someone wants video edited, they can pay me. Someone wants referrals they can pay me. I take the time with very few people in this business as friends but ya can always trust I am watching my back at all times. Its kinda sad to love someone knowing they potentially wield a knife with my name on it... __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

05-20-2005, 12:19 AM	#164
Aly President, ePufferProfits Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,881	Now I WANT to call you DARLING, Jonesy! ...I'm so conflicted. you're very cool. __________________ . . Aly's ICQ: 51504163 . Aly's Email: [email protected] Last edited by Aly_AVN; 05-20-2005 at 12:21 AM..

05-20-2005, 12:02 AM	#155
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	i once masturbated in a movie theatre bathroom and i got caught and the guy tried to lead me to the lord, who had delivered him from his lust and chronic masturbation i was in the navy at the time then i went and watched a bruce willis movie that had a hot chick showing her naked ass then i had to masturbate again

05-20-2005, 12:43 AM	#168
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	It's not all that bitter. I got a loving wife an awesome Cat, a decent home and phone that never stops ringing;) But I tell ya I put on a "Batman" outfit and serve my own justice from time to time. But I think ya know this. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

05-20-2005, 03:26 AM	#173
Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	This thread and what is beeing discussed here is disturbing on so many levels :S

05-20-2005, 06:49 AM	#174
vicki Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Deep in the heart o' Texas Posts: 1,478	I really should just keep my mouth shut but what the hay, Aly asked for opinions The original question was - Does AVN have a credibility issue? The answer is simple, yes, and it's been that way since I came on the scene in 97 Can it be changed? I think a lot of us would tend to think only if they blow up the old orifice, bulldoze it away to start fresh. Aly, I admire your attempts at remodeling and I REALLY admire them for hiring you to try and change things, but all I see are bandaids being placed trying to cover broken bones. Until the powers that be realize AVN doesn't have a focused product, gameplan OR audience and take tremendous action in that arena, I don't see any phoenix rising from the ashes. Go undercover and ask around on a number of boards what AVN stands for, and what its purpose is. I think you'll see a wide variety of answers - some may be shocking. When it comes to business, imho its important to focus on one thing and do it well. Trying to be a little bit of everything waters down quality on all fronts. I'll give a quick example of common webmaster perceptions - a group of us were in Vegas for the shows in January 2 years ago. There was a bet of $5k put forward by one in the group saying he could predict 80% or more of the award winners before they were announced. Guess how many of us took him up on the bet .. none. Were his predictions correct .. of course. Lee said its just business .. Lee there are good ways of doing business and there are not so good ways. It all comes down to a few simple things. Define what your product IS, define your target audiences' wants/needs, and define how you can present your product in good light to them so it'll attract more end-users. As for the show in Miami, advertise on ceilings, floors, windows, napkins, spritz bottles, columns, elevators, escalators, restrooms (inside AND outside!) and even on toilet paper! Cmon now, when is enough dollar bleeding considered deadly? If AVN wants to be known for Greed, then by all means they've succeeded and I offer cudos. If not, there is a serious battle to fight. Sorry if this comes off as harsh but I tend to call em as I see em. Aly, you know I luv ya and I wish you luck on this uphill endevour .. your tenacity will be your greatest tool at trying to fix things ;) __________________ If at first you do succeed - try to hide your astonishment. HR merchant accounts from 3.45% solid biz since 98 victoriakozub AT gmail.com skype: victoria.kozub \| ICQ: 74296746 Last edited by vicki; 05-20-2005 at 06:51 AM..

05-20-2005, 07:19 AM	#176
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	theres a fine line between "news" and article marketing. news can in fact itself be marketing. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

05-20-2005, 10:25 AM	#182
howard Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: phila Posts: 1,827	1.. Since no one else is saying it--- Cmon guys..Your too old for this crap..Your acting real immature. Your arguments should not be public.. 2. Avn--its just biz..No 1 in this biz is a saint--maybe except Aly..She might be the most humble person in this biz..As far as AVN I just think everyone is jealous of them cause they were the smartest and started there biz first. Opinions are like assholes and everyone has them 3.This Biz-- peoples come to this board and complain about one another--the lawsuits that go against one another--all the money they make--all the toys they have--the trips they take--the pics of there houses---the pics of there cars.... If I was the GOVT, and am already against porn, and can't stand how people profit from it--they come to as board and see how people act---its probably part of the reason all those ftc lawsuits came out... I just have always the thought the smartest and the richest people are probably the people who keep there mouths closed and handle there biz 1 on 1. Everything comes down to greed and the competition that everyone has to see who is going to die with the most toys.... __________________ perkissmedia.com [email protected] 318621803 perkymon993 Skype

05-20-2005, 10:32 AM	#183
Patrick- iWebmasters Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: www Posts: 7	milk milk lemonade....

05-20-2005, 10:41 AM	#186
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Damn, I missed the AVN credibility issue, when did it come out? Can I get that issue on back-order? __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

05-21-2005, 01:08 AM	#191
makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	someone please explain the use of the word "credibility" in regards to porn..

05-21-2005, 01:09 AM	#192
makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	also..i should point out..i read nothing after the first 30 posts of the thread..i got the point..but it seemed to be heading down a path of a different agenda

05-21-2005, 01:12 AM	#193
makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	oops i just read above my posts.. ill stay out of it..this got too heated

05-21-2005, 01:21 AM	#195
makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	man i only wish i could edit those posts..haha ..this arguement got very personal between some long time good friends.. next time i will have to read all 247 posts before posting !

05-21-2005, 01:28 AM	#196
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	It aint no biggie MFM at the end of the day everyone went to bed fell asleep and prolly regreted the whole thing. Kinda like a bad one nighter. Well I wish that were true. But none the less life will go on __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

05-21-2005, 01:33 PM	#197
TheGoldenChild Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pacific Palisades Posts: 6,940	I forget nothing. http://www.lukeisback.com/images/images/rosenblatt.pdf __________________