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TonyL 04-21-2005 11:12 PM

Heres the bottom line. In a street fighter against an average fighter. Any old striking art will do. Bottom line, you must train it. If your cardio and muscle memory is not up to par then it's no use to you. You must spend hours and hours training and sparring to make any art useful.

My personal belief is MMA is the future. It's been proven time and time again in orginazations such as the UFC.

I train MMA 5 days a week 3 hours day against professional fighters include some UFC fighters. And I still don't want to be in a street fight. It's anybodies game. Everyone has a punchers chance.

-Tony

L0stMind 04-21-2005 11:22 PM

best self defense - awareness.

Rorschach 04-21-2005 11:24 PM

where did i say boztepe isn't doing mma?

like i said, it's clear to me that you're not familiar with WC... the WCers in those vids are obviously unprepared to face a grappler and make the mistake of making ineffective knees/ kicks when they should just redirect and elbow to the head. :) you are making assumptions that all WCers fight like that... some fat white guy (who is clearly not a good fighter anyway, look at how he just loses it) getting taken down and his head pounded does not mean that the style is at fault. your claim that WC schools only train light contact is propoganda, mine certainly doesn't.

in a real hardcore fight (rather than an artificial fight with rules in a static environment), you have eye and throat strikes, heel strikes to the nose, groin strikes, kicks through the rear leg, breaks from a punch... instant show stoppers. WCs sticky hands is also uniquely suited to training you to instantly react to what the other person's hands are doing... you learn to logically cover every door. once you have contact and are stuck to your opponents hands (and legs) your opponent will tell you through their movements how to hit them, you are on full auto pilot. you also have to be able to simultaneously attack and defend (the area that kickboxing lacks, good defence) if you want to have a shit show against multiple opponents. i can't speak for every WC school (and like most disciplines there are many shit ones, especially cheung's "traditional" WC which you have used as an example), but I can tell you that my own training has held me in good stead.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 04-21-2005 11:37 PM

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Vitasoy 04-22-2005 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dig420
Randy Coutoure and Vanderleigh Silva will whip someone's ass on 'the street' just the same way they do it in the ring. There is no difference unless someone pulls a knife or a gun, in which case you're fucked anyway unless you get lucky and take the knife away.

It's Wanderlei Silva, btw are you going to watch Pride Total Elimination?

dig420 04-22-2005 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vitasoy
It's Wanderlei Silva, btw are you going to watch Pride Total Elimination?

Maybe. Oddly enough, I always liked training myself more than watching it.

I'm actually more of a boxing fan when it comes to entertainment than MMA.

Quit wasting your money Rorshach. Better yet, walk into ANY BJJ academy near you and ask for a fight to test your skills. There won't be anger, they won't give you any shit, they'll find a student to fight you and they'll respect you for being brave enough to ask, and then they'll take you to school. They'll allow you to do your eye gouges, throat strikes, whatever. It won't help you.

WC is shit. KF is more shit. I'm sorry and I know you and many others have been told otherwise by well meaning instructors, but it's time to take off the blinders. Read up on the UFC, NHB and the Gracie family. Use your own damn common sense.

Vitasoy 04-22-2005 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dig420
Maybe. Oddly enough, I always liked training myself more than watching it.

I'm actually more of a boxing fan when it comes to entertainment than MMA.


Man if your going to miss an event... this is not the event to miss! Did you see the fight card? This event maybe the best fight card this year! Did you see last years? It was off the hook.

Tournament Matches:

Wanderlei Silva (Brazil) vs. Hidehiko Yoshida (Japan)
Dan Henderson (USA) vs. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira (Brazil)
Quinton ?Rampage? Jackson (USA) vs. Mauricio ?Shogun? Rua (Brazil)
Igor Vovchanchyn (Ukraine) vs. Yuki Kondo (Japan)
Kevin Randleman (USA) vs. Kazuhiro Nakamura (Japan)
Kazushi Sakuraba (Japan) vs. Yoon Dong Sik (Korea)
Vitor Belfort (Brazil) vs. Alistair Overeem (Holland)
Dean Lister (USA) vs. Ricardo Arona (Brazil)


:pimp

pradaboy 04-22-2005 03:42 AM

Anthony or Dig

Could you guys comment on what to look for when finding a suitable BJJ instructor? I'm not US based so names or anything probably won't help but I'm certainly interested in maybe taking up BJJ and combine it with MT.

Thanks in advance!

Oh if you wanna contact me by e-mail or ICQ that'd be fine too

ICQ 181191

or

robert ((@)) pradaboy ((dot)) nl

PhotoGreggXXX 04-22-2005 06:32 AM

Nothing better than the ancient Chinese self-defense system: RUNFOO

Easy to learn: When in trouble...RUN you fool

Anthony 04-22-2005 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pradaboy
Anthony or Dig

Could you guys comment on what to look for when finding a suitable BJJ instructor? I'm not US based so names or anything probably won't help but I'm certainly interested in maybe taking up BJJ and combine it with MT.

Thanks in advance!

Oh if you wanna contact me by e-mail or ICQ that'd be fine too

ICQ 181191

or

robert ((@)) pradaboy ((dot)) nl


Here's a pretty recent listing of BJJ schools in the US and abroad.

http://bjj.org/academies/non-us.html

pradaboy 04-22-2005 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony
Here's a pretty recent listing of BJJ schools in the US and abroad.

http://bjj.org/academies/non-us.html

checked that already... only 3 in Holland of which none near me

http://www.cadu.nl/

could you check this one out? the site is in English... this one's a bit closer to me.

psili 04-22-2005 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
these threads are always stupid.

if you are not going to devote a significant portion of your life to fighting... then there is no particular style that is going to help you at all. get a gun or taser gun or just dont be in bad places.

I get tired of all the "aikido is the best" crap. aikido is just a lame way to make women and worthless hippies feel empowered. nothing else. no matter what you think about aikido, the fact is that it takes a willing opponent to train. that is its greatest flaw. and if you think that learning a few arm locks and wrist locks are going to save your life one night in a dark alley against a guy whos adreneline and endorphines are pumping and will continue to spike further everytime you respond agressively, then you are deluding yourself... and lets all please, stop pretending that the laws of physics cease to exist because you studied Rex Kwon Do for a week and a 1/2. a 110-150 pound girl is going to destroyed by the average male no matter what she knows. she is smaller and weaker. laws of physics do apply when you are trying to hit someone twice your size with twice your strength. the only exceptions i have ever seen to this are women who have trained seriously for many many many years and have devoted their life to fighting arts who have unusual strength and focus.

Most importantly, you have to understand that you will never be better than the effort you devote to any particular fighting style. Are you going to give 110% for 5 years, 4-5 times a week to become good? or are you going to go to Tai Bo twice a week for 20 mins just so you can tell yourself you have never felt more confident?

My experience is that almost all women will suck no matter what they study, regardless of how long.... because quite simply, its unlikely that someone is going to be able to train you to snap and explode forward agressively with the intent to take someone out. woman have a hard time becoming violent and agressive. MOST women and usually at least 1/2 of men will never have that regardless of how hard they train. if you dont have the capability to be violent, agressive and really hurt people then don't waste your time. if you are deluding yourself by saying "yeah, well if someone is attacking me, i would not hesitate to..." then you better try to punch someone in the face or break their arm first just to see that it really isnt that easy... and certainly not easy when they are attacking you. hitting someone to knock them out or break something is not as easy as it seems... for anyone unless you are somewhat sadistic and cruel. are you?

:2 cents: :2 cents:

I just wanted to bump this comment because it speaks utter truth amidst a plethora of people hidden behind computers talking tough.
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Jollyjoe 04-22-2005 08:29 AM

Muiiy-tai is the most effective martial art for self defence.


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