JasonandAlex move away from nats? - GoFuckYourself.com

bigdog · 03-28-2005, 03:16 PM

why did you guys move away from nats?

Jace · 03-28-2005, 03:19 PM

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/449372-jasonandalex-com-affiliates-please-read.html

like 10 posts down from yours

Smut · 03-28-2005, 03:29 PM

bumpity bump

Manowar · 03-28-2005, 03:32 PM

looks like they have moved to MPA2 or MPA3

Alex From San Diego · 03-28-2005, 03:35 PM

Please keep in mind, this is our personal experience and I'm NOT speaking for any other programs using NATS.

It came down to our overall comfort level for JasonandAlex as a company and our affiliates that we part ways with nats. Our issues we experienced were more related to tracking issues, password management issues and overall accuracy issues. To get into specifics on a board would be to much as well as time consuming. With that said, Chris(iBanker) or myself would be more than happy to field any phone calls.

This was not a fly by night decision on our part. We carefully thought it out and have taken the time to transition away over the last 3 weeks.

We feel we will have more flexibility with regards to various billers such as our own merchant account, 2000charge and GXB to name a few.

Our phone number here at the office is 858-587-9000 ext 102 for those of you who would like to know more.

shuki · 03-28-2005, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Manowar

looks like they have moved to MPA2 or MPA3

interesting indeed

iBanker · 03-28-2005, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by shuki

interesting indeed

Yes. MPA3.

iBanker · 03-28-2005, 04:18 PM

...and for those of you ICQing me, please understand that my ICQ is lit up like a Christmas Tree right now, I am not ignoring you, just trying to get back to all of you while talking on the phone....

Thanks for the understanding.

xxxjay · 03-29-2005, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex From San Diego

Please keep in mind, this is our personal experience and I'm NOT speaking for any other programs using NATS.

It came down to our overall comfort level for JasonandAlex as a company and our affiliates that we part ways with nats. Our issues we experienced were more related to tracking issues, password management issues and overall accuracy issues. To get into specifics on a board would be to much as well as time consuming. With that said, Chris(iBanker) or myself would be more than happy to field any phone calls.

This was not a fly by night decision on our part. We carefully thought it out and have taken the time to transition away over the last 3 weeks.

We feel we will have more flexibility with regards to various billers such as our own merchant account, 2000charge and GXB to name a few.

Our phone number here at the office is 858-587-9000 ext 102 for those of you who would like to know more.

Expect a call tomorrow.

yellowmenace · 03-29-2005, 04:24 AM

very interesting.

Radiate · 03-29-2005, 04:45 AM

I'd like to hear more about these tracking and accuracy issues, I'm unable to call you, could you give me the gist of what you mean?

xclusive · 03-29-2005, 05:06 AM

I would like to hear more about it as well

Gottis · 03-29-2005, 06:31 AM

Where are the NATS guys at

Drake · 03-29-2005, 06:32 AM

It seems that both products offer a lot so it's not suprising that one may be more suitable for a sponsor.

MrVids · 03-29-2005, 08:07 AM

nats didn't have skimming and those fellas couldn't swim w/out it

Shaddam IV · 03-29-2005, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MrVids

nats didn't have skimming and those fellas couldn't swim w/out it

hmm.. interesting

Alex From San Diego · 03-29-2005, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MrVids

nats didn't have skimming and those fellas couldn't swim w/out it

Before you open your mouth and start with the allegations, you best have your ducks all in a row. I can assure you I do.

You might be travelling down a road that you don't want to go down on.

If you want to talk about skimming, we can discuss skimming.

All I can say is this since we have switched and please keep in mind the data is still early but hits are up and so are the joins

You don't have to have a shaving feature to shave. Sometimes incompetence works too.

If you would like to come to our office, you can log right in to our program with full admin rights and do all the searching you want.

We have nothing to hide. Never have and never will.

TMM_John · 03-29-2005, 08:39 AM

We will not be commenting in these threads. If anyone wants to speak with us regarding it they can reach us via phone or icq. Jason and Alex were asked to move away from NATS several times over the past 2 months. We thank them for finally doing so and we wish them luck.

Basic_man · 03-29-2005, 08:43 AM

They want to turn on the shave function !

Steve · 03-29-2005, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MrVids

nats didn't have skimming and those fellas couldn't swim w/out it

There is no way they'd do that. Jason and Alex are dipshit newbies. If they wanted to be shavers, they could have easily slapped together your typical bullshit PPS program, burned thru some merchant accounts and done "free" trials, cross sells, upsells, e-mail boxes on tours, and whored out the members e-mail lists.

Instead, they take the time and effort to come up with strong paysites loaded with exclusive content in a partnership program.

If you're going to slam someone, dont hide behind an alias. Show who you are.

Steve · 03-29-2005, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Basic_man

They want to turn on the shave function !

yet another genius

undermyspell · 03-29-2005, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve

There is no way they'd do that. Jason and Alex are dipshit newbies.

either that's one hell of a typo or there's something about my bosses I don't know...

domo · 03-29-2005, 08:49 AM

you should really not put up your ICQ as a contact if your not going to reply on it. i added 2 icqs from your support page last thursday and i am not even given the courtesy of a reply.

Steve · 03-29-2005, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by undermyspell

either that's one hell of a typo or there's something about my bosses I don't know...

LMAO
I blame that one on only one cup of coffee

it should say "are NOT"

Tipsy · 03-29-2005, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve

There is no way they'd do that. Jason and Alex are dipshit newbies.

Don't you mean AREN'T?

Damn - beaten to it!

TMM_John · 03-29-2005, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by domo

you should really not put up your ICQ as a contact if your not going to reply on it. i added 2 icqs from your support page last thursday and i am not even given the courtesy of a reply.

Is this regarding JSA or Too Much Media?

Thanks

domo · 03-29-2005, 08:52 AM

yes. its pointed towards Jason and alex. sorry for not being articulate.

undermyspell · 03-29-2005, 08:55 AM

sorry if you have not received a reply domo..

if you want to contact me at 236437815 I am online now and can answer any questions you might have...

undermyspell · 03-29-2005, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve

LMAO
I blame that one on only one cup of coffee

it should say "are NOT"

I know I just had to give you grief... it totally cracked me up and I needed a good laugh to start my day...

Steve · 03-29-2005, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Tipsy

Don't you mean AREN'T?

Damn - beaten to it!

That guy's comment set me off like a hyperactive crack head with tourette's.
I left out complete words, much less letters. These guys are straight shooters. I know this is GFY and anon's can take digs at anyone without having one shred of proof to back it up, but that doesn't mean we have to sit there and read their bullshit without calling them on it.

Tipsy · 03-29-2005, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve

That guy's comment set me off like a hyperactive crack head with tourette's.
I left out complete words, much less letters. These guys are straight shooters. I know this is GFY and anon's can take digs at anyone without having one shred of proof to back it up, but that doesn't mean we have to sit there and read their bullshit without calling them on it.

Agree absolutely. As I mentioned in the other thread it's all about bottom line and smart money would say nobody would be daft enough to screw up that hugely again by re-introducing a shave feature after the last time. So I trust MPA3 as much as I trust anything these days and more so than some as I genuinely make more sales/get more clicks with programs using MPA3. Could just be me though I suppose...

Alex From San Diego · 03-29-2005, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by domo

you should really not put up your ICQ as a contact if your not going to reply on it. i added 2 icqs from your support page last thursday and i am not even given the courtesy of a reply.

Interesting...what 2 icq's? there is 5 icq's to get a hold of anyone of us as well as phone numbers with each of our extensions. To get a hold of us is pretty easy. Sorry you weren't able to but if you still want to, here is my icq

74296267

My phone: 858-587-9000 ext 104

Email: alex At JasonandAlex.com

Look forward to speaking with you : )

TurboAngel · 03-29-2005, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

We will not be commenting in these threads. If anyone wants to speak with us regarding it they can reach us via phone or icq. Jason and Alex were asked to move away from NATS several times over the past 2 months. We thank them for finally doing so and we wish them luck.

justsexxx · 03-29-2005, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

We will not be commenting in these threads. If anyone wants to speak with us regarding it they can reach us via phone or icq. Jason and Alex were asked to move away from NATS several times over the past 2 months. We thank them for finally doing so and we wish them luck.

???

MrVids · 03-29-2005, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve

There is no way they'd do that. Jason and Alex are dipshit newbies. If they wanted to be shavers, they could have easily slapped together your typical bullshit PPS program, burned thru some merchant accounts and done "free" trials, cross sells, upsells, e-mail boxes on tours, and whored out the members e-mail lists.

Instead, they take the time and effort to come up with strong paysites loaded with exclusive content in a partnership program.

If you're going to slam someone, dont hide behind an alias. Show who you are.

I'm not hiding behind an alias, my other account got blacklisted for posting some of my honest opinions about a couple admins on this board. Course, i was drunk and knew better, but sometimes those beer goggles can affect your judgement.

As for the shaving, you had to know someone was going to say it. Everyone knows the history of MPA, and personally I don't push any sites using their program just because of that tarnished reputation.

Note that I am not speaking from personal experience. A good friend of mine, who i trust, told me about it and the fact that option is so easily available, reduced my faith in the program.

Of course, anyone can figure out how to shave, i'm not saying it doesn't happen. I'm just saying that I'm not going to buy a Pinto just because I know there is the possibility of it getting rear ended and blowing up easier than any other car ;).

Basic_man · 03-29-2005, 09:18 AM

Wow, I have my pop-corn ready watching this thread going nuts ! :D

SomeCreep · 03-29-2005, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

We will not be commenting in these threads. Jason and Alex were asked to move away from NATS several times over the past 2 months. We thank them for finally doing so and we wish them luck.

Well that sounds bizarre. Someone needs to spill the beans.

Triple 6 · 03-29-2005, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

We will not be commenting in these threads. If anyone wants to speak with us regarding it they can reach us via phone or icq. Jason and Alex were asked to move away from NATS several times over the past 2 months. We thank them for finally doing so and we wish them luck.

Looks like your already did. And you are saying you asked J&A to get off Nats several times over the past 2 months, but they say the moved away cuz of stats issues. Why would they have to be asked several times to stop using something they are having issues with? So now I wonder if they brought some type of problem up and you guys asked them to get off your system instead of trying to correct it.

onlymovies · 03-29-2005, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Tipsy

So I trust MPA3 as much as I trust anything these days and more so than some as I genuinely make more sales/get more clicks with programs using MPA3. Could just be me though I suppose...

No, it's not just you.
It's the the question that's gone unanswered that nobody seems to know the answer to.

Why is it that when a program changes to NATS, sales have gone down? For me at least. Never understood it. Will the acception of a few, i've dropped programs using NAT's because of this.

Radiate · 03-29-2005, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

Jason and Alex were asked to move away from NATS several times over the past 2 months.

Think an explanation is needed on this pls

TMM_John · 03-29-2005, 09:47 AM

Just to clarify they were not asked to move away because of shaving or what not. I have no reason to believe they would ever steal sales.

They were not happy with the solution. They were told they should check out other software products and we would do whatever they needed in order to help them make a smooth transition. Not every solution is good for everyone.

Again, I'm not going to comment/argue/bicker/fight over this on the boards. The silly board drama can be left to those who make their living off of it. If you have questions you're more than welcome to contact us but we will not be here to try to entertain the masses.

cherrylula · 03-29-2005, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by onlymovies

No, it's not just you.
It's the the question that's gone unanswered that nobody seems to know the answer to.

Why is it that when a program changes to NATS, sales have gone down? For me at least. Never understood it. Will the acception of a few, i've dropped programs using NAT's because of this.

I've had the same experience with NATS and have held off promoting anything else that uses it for this reason.

candyflip · 03-29-2005, 09:49 AM

Nothing like a little bit of drama to get things going in the morning.

Shaddam IV · 03-29-2005, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Radiate

Think an explanation is needed on this pls

maybe they were caught shaving and NATS asked them to stop using their software ?

undermyspell · 03-29-2005, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaddam IV

maybe they were caught shaving and NATS asked them to stop using their software ?

Not even remotely close... sorry to disappoint the conspiracy theorists that a sponsor was shaving but that's just not what happened. I believe that John points that out as well in one of his posts.

AaronM · 03-29-2005, 10:01 AM

The allegations in this thread are entertaining at best.

Shut your fucking pie holes if all you have is speculation.

AaronM · 03-29-2005, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

The allegations in this thread are entertaining at best.

Shut your fucking pie holes if all you have is speculation.

And for the record...This was NOT directed at either of the 2 companies involved.

iBanker · 03-29-2005, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Triple 6

Looks like your already did. And you are saying you asked J&A to get off Nats several times over the past 2 months, but they say the moved away cuz of stats issues. Why would they have to be asked several times to stop using something they are having issues with? So now I wonder if they brought some type of problem up and you guys asked them to get off your system instead of trying to correct it.

Now it is starting to get clear.... Good call there.

LadyMischief · 03-29-2005, 10:53 AM

NATS may well be a great backend program, but people will have to realize that it's not goign to fit into every company's technical needs or organizational structures.. Using NATS doesn't make a program good or bad.. it makes it their choice. I don't see why people are so quick to condemn people who don't choose NATS or MPA2 or whatever.. it's almost like a fad, people are gung ho about one backend for a while and then it's on to the next one. No software is perfect or infallible, and considering that NATS is new, maybe there's technical aspects involved in it's implimentation that have caused problems for J&A. Who knows? The offer of an explaination is there, I wish people around here would find out facts before they start assuming.

iBanker · 03-29-2005, 11:51 AM

I will say it one more time here and now. This was not out to harm anyone, but when another man (John Albright, owner of NATS to my knowledge) calls our Company or any of its employees liars, I am forced to defend all. I speak the truth. We run a solid business built on firm ground, and I will have words (or initiate immediate legal action) with anyone the makes such defamatory claims saying otherwise.

If anyone thinks NATS is UNSHAVEABLE then you need to see this. Here is a screencap of what NATS reports I should pay my affiliates for all rebills (recurring charges) for ELECTRACASH (one of our check processors)

5 total rebills.

Here is what ELECTRACASH says I should pay.

275 total rebills.

270 missing rebills because of NATS. FACT.

Do you know how long it takes to even find that problem, and THEN cut separate checks for the affiliates to make sure you do the right thing and they get paid for their hard work? This is one of the many problems we had with NATS and one of the many reasons we moved far away from it.

Now, you can expect John or one of his tech guys to jump on this board and give you all a line (or explanation depending on how you decide to view it) about how this is some security loophole, and it has to do with it being ELECTRACASH's fault, and so on. It always seemed to be someone else's fault when it came to the blame being pointed at NATS (and I have further proof of this as well). The only reason we went with Nats was because of the NO SHAVE feature.

This is just the beginning?

03-28-2005, 03:16 PM	#1
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	JasonandAlex move away from nats? why did you guys move away from nats?

03-28-2005, 03:35 PM	#5
Alex From San Diego Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,642	Please keep in mind, this is our personal experience and I'm NOT speaking for any other programs using NATS. It came down to our overall comfort level for JasonandAlex as a company and our affiliates that we part ways with nats. Our issues we experienced were more related to tracking issues, password management issues and overall accuracy issues. To get into specifics on a board would be to much as well as time consuming. With that said, Chris(iBanker) or myself would be more than happy to field any phone calls. This was not a fly by night decision on our part. We carefully thought it out and have taken the time to transition away over the last 3 weeks. We feel we will have more flexibility with regards to various billers such as our own merchant account, 2000charge and GXB to name a few. Our phone number here at the office is 858-587-9000 ext 102 for those of you who would like to know more. __________________ We are what we repeatedly do.-Aristotle

03-28-2005, 04:18 PM	#8
iBanker Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Diego, moving to Portland. Posts: 2,758	...and for those of you ICQing me, please understand that my ICQ is lit up like a Christmas Tree right now, I am not ignoring you, just trying to get back to all of you while talking on the phone.... Thanks for the understanding. __________________ www.JasonandAlex.com Christopher's ICQ: 268-843-170

03-29-2005, 04:24 AM	#10
yellowmenace Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,141	very interesting. __________________ Yellow Menace icq# 322981173

03-29-2005, 04:45 AM	#11
Radiate Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: the center Posts: 1,454	I'd like to hear more about these tracking and accuracy issues, I'm unable to call you, could you give me the gist of what you mean? __________________ icq 199437756 - contact me if you need a solid hosting solution

03-28-2005, 03:19 PM	#2
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/449372-jasonandalex-com-affiliates-please-read.html like 10 posts down from yours

03-28-2005, 03:29 PM	#3
Smut Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 654	bumpity bump

03-28-2005, 03:32 PM	#4
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	looks like they have moved to MPA2 or MPA3

03-29-2005, 05:06 AM	#12
xclusive Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 35,218	I would like to hear more about it as well __________________ I support MediumPimpin.com / Shemp's Outlawtgp.com /

03-29-2005, 06:31 AM	#13
Gottis Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: VIP NO ID Posts: 1,746	Where are the NATS guys at __________________ Hit me up for ABC link trades - icq 7583011

03-29-2005, 06:32 AM	#14
Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	It seems that both products offer a lot so it's not suprising that one may be more suitable for a sponsor.

03-29-2005, 08:07 AM	#15
MrVids i am a meat popsicle Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,070	nats didn't have skimming and those fellas couldn't swim w/out it

03-29-2005, 08:39 AM	#18
TMM_John Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 6,664	We will not be commenting in these threads. If anyone wants to speak with us regarding it they can reach us via phone or icq. Jason and Alex were asked to move away from NATS several times over the past 2 months. We thank them for finally doing so and we wish them luck. __________________ Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

03-29-2005, 08:43 AM	#19
Basic_man Programming King Pin Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 27,360	They want to turn on the shave function ! __________________ UUGallery Builder - automated photo/video gallery plugin for Wordpress! Stop looking! Checkout Naked Hosting, online since 1999 !

03-29-2005, 08:49 AM	#23
domo Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 38	you should really not put up your ICQ as a contact if your not going to reply on it. i added 2 icqs from your support page last thursday and i am not even given the courtesy of a reply.

03-29-2005, 08:52 AM	#27
domo Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 38	yes. its pointed towards Jason and alex. sorry for not being articulate.

03-29-2005, 08:55 AM	#28
undermyspell Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 875	sorry if you have not received a reply domo.. if you want to contact me at 236437815 I am online now and can answer any questions you might have...

03-29-2005, 09:18 AM	#36
Basic_man Programming King Pin Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 27,360	Wow, I have my pop-corn ready watching this thread going nuts ! :D __________________ UUGallery Builder - automated photo/video gallery plugin for Wordpress! Stop looking! Checkout Naked Hosting, online since 1999 !

03-29-2005, 09:47 AM	#41
TMM_John Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 6,664	Just to clarify they were not asked to move away because of shaving or what not. I have no reason to believe they would ever steal sales. They were not happy with the solution. They were told they should check out other software products and we would do whatever they needed in order to help them make a smooth transition. Not every solution is good for everyone. Again, I'm not going to comment/argue/bicker/fight over this on the boards. The silly board drama can be left to those who make their living off of it. If you have questions you're more than welcome to contact us but we will not be here to try to entertain the masses. __________________ Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

03-29-2005, 09:49 AM	#43
candyflip Carpe Visio Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New York Posts: 43,065	Nothing like a little bit of drama to get things going in the morning. __________________ Spend you some brain. Email Me

03-29-2005, 10:01 AM	#46
AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	The allegations in this thread are entertaining at best. Shut your fucking pie holes if all you have is speculation.

03-29-2005, 10:53 AM	#49
LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	NATS may well be a great backend program, but people will have to realize that it's not goign to fit into every company's technical needs or organizational structures.. Using NATS doesn't make a program good or bad.. it makes it their choice. I don't see why people are so quick to condemn people who don't choose NATS or MPA2 or whatever.. it's almost like a fad, people are gung ho about one backend for a while and then it's on to the next one. No software is perfect or infallible, and considering that NATS is new, maybe there's technical aspects involved in it's implimentation that have caused problems for J&A. Who knows? The offer of an explaination is there, I wish people around here would find out facts before they start assuming. __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

03-29-2005, 11:51 AM	#50
iBanker Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Diego, moving to Portland. Posts: 2,758	I will say it one more time here and now. This was not out to harm anyone, but when another man (John Albright, owner of NATS to my knowledge) calls our Company or any of its employees liars, I am forced to defend all. I speak the truth. We run a solid business built on firm ground, and I will have words (or initiate immediate legal action) with anyone the makes such defamatory claims saying otherwise. If anyone thinks NATS is UNSHAVEABLE then you need to see this. Here is a screencap of what NATS reports I should pay my affiliates for all rebills (recurring charges) for ELECTRACASH (one of our check processors) 5 total rebills. Here is what ELECTRACASH says I should pay. 275 total rebills. 270 missing rebills because of NATS. FACT. Do you know how long it takes to even find that problem, and THEN cut separate checks for the affiliates to make sure you do the right thing and they get paid for their hard work? This is one of the many problems we had with NATS and one of the many reasons we moved far away from it. Now, you can expect John or one of his tech guys to jump on this board and give you all a line (or explanation depending on how you decide to view it) about how this is some security loophole, and it has to do with it being ELECTRACASH's fault, and so on. It always seemed to be someone else's fault when it came to the blame being pointed at NATS (and I have further proof of this as well). The only reason we went with Nats was because of the NO SHAVE feature. This is just the beginning? __________________ www.JasonandAlex.com Christopher's ICQ: 268-843-170