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Old 12-16-2004, 08:01 PM   #51
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I went Catholic all the way through life minus kindergarten. Catholic 1-8, Catholic High and spent 2 years at a Catholic College (Boston College) before transferring out of there.

Do I believe in Jesus? Yes...Jesus was a philosopher, a great one.
Do I believe in Jesus "the son of god".....no...not at all.

How can someone who was baptised and confirmed a catholic not believe in Jesus or God? Simple......My girlfriend was taking away from me. She was only 24. Fuck Religion. Fuck Jesus Fuck God

Quote me on this one.... "Without ignorance, there would be no faith....for faith needs ignorance to exist" - Young

That line is deeper than you think....Makes the whole Adam and Eve story alot clearer.
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Old 12-16-2004, 08:03 PM   #52
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Agreed. I grew up going to catholic school all the way through high school. I totally belive in the Catholic religion, Jesus and all the mumbo jumbo. It's just too much of who I am and how I grew up to just toss it all away.

BUT I DO NOT preach to other people and DO NOT empose my beliefs on others. I never have and I never will. I use religion more like a guideline on how to live my life more honestly and the whole do unto others as u want to be treated thing. Figure it's better to be safe than sorry and I'd rather live believing in Gold and having him turn out to be fake than NOT believing in him and end up in hell. No harm no foul right.

The only thing worse that over zeolous religious freaks that try to empose there religion on you is people that are the complete opposite. I hate people who automatically assume religious people are wrong and stupid for there beliefs. You're trying to empose your non belief just as badly as the religious freaks.

I think religion is ok within proportion. If it keeps you happy and helps you live your life then it hurts no one.

I totally agree with you, and feel the same way
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Old 12-16-2004, 08:07 PM   #53
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Young - It seems like you are blaming God because your g/f was taken away from you. Have you thought that maybe she is in a happier place right now, or just that it was her time to go? The same thing will happen to you too...it will happen to all of us.

I am very very sorry about your g/f, I cannot blame you for hating, if my s/o passes away I would blame everyone that I could. I would be a very pissed off and unhappy person. I am not preaching to you at all...I am saying that now b/c seriously I am not, i am in a way agreeing with you. But you have to go on, in hopes that you will be with her again
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Old 12-16-2004, 08:10 PM   #54
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Maybe the question should be asked "Why does the majority of humanity currently and historically believe in dieties (whether singular or plural)? What is it in our collective psychology that is attracted to this concept? What are modern variations to this classic theme?"
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Old 12-16-2004, 08:14 PM   #55
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I don't mean any disrespect, but I can't just see why intelligent ppl believe in religion.

Please explain me ...
What is it that you are asking about?

Jesus, religion, dogma, or spirituality?

These are not necessarily all the same (nor mutually exclusive).

Can you be more specific?
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Old 12-16-2004, 08:28 PM   #56
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Young - It seems like you are blaming God because your g/f was taken away from you. Have you thought that maybe she is in a happier place right now, or just that it was her time to go? The same thing will happen to you too...it will happen to all of us.

I am very very sorry about your g/f, I cannot blame you for hating, if my s/o passes away I would blame everyone that I could. I would be a very pissed off and unhappy person. I am not preaching to you at all...I am saying that now b/c seriously I am not, i am in a way agreeing with you. But you have to go on, in hopes that you will be with her again
Arika every day I realize that I have to move on and there is nothing I can do. The sweetest person in the world was taken from me. 2 Years and we didn't fight once. Cold world. Everyone tells me that she is probaly in a better place and I do want to believe it. I even hold Memorial Masses for her, not because I believe....but because if by the off chance that there is a God (highly unlikely) she will be fine where she is.

I have no fucking faith. I will never have kids...who would want to bring a life into this cold fucking world we have. Do not get me wrong....I am far from miserable. I do well financially, I have a huge family (150+ at annual reunion) but God isn't the person who gave this to me.

Jesus did I make any sense in what I just said? sorry i just kept typing.
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Old 12-16-2004, 08:38 PM   #57
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WThese are not necessarily all the same (nor mutually exclusive).

Can you be more specific?
Very good point. Moreover, there is also a dichotomy between 'principles' 'theories' and actual 'practice' and reality.
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Old 12-16-2004, 09:18 PM   #58
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"God" is something which some people choose to believe in as it helps them to deal with daily stresses, it also provides for someone to blame or praise when you dont want to deal with your own actions and consequences... just my thoughts...
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Old 12-16-2004, 09:32 PM   #59
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well maybe because the thought brings comfort, or that most of the exisiting explanations i have seen for the existance of the world are far to vague to believe either so why not choose the more comforting of them instead of the one that says we were apes or that we just came to be from the big bang theory and no i dont consider myself to be a overly intelligent person but i also know i am not stupid either
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Intelligent huh? Maybe you want to check out this thread...

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Old 12-17-2004, 01:56 AM   #61
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Part of the reason why I believe in God and Jesus is because of my beliefs on the origin of matter and life.

The universe didn't create itself. Someone created it. Or somebody is responsible for creating the chain of events that created the universe and life.

The only explanation that makes any sense to me is that a higher being (God) created these things. Who else would have the power to create something out of nothing besides a higher being?

Someone is in control and responsible for creation, and that someone I believe is God.
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