Hey Paycom...Scrub a little harder would you please - GoFuckYourself.com

Alex From San Diego · 11-11-2004, 04:49 PM

Why not scrub the living shit out of every CC that comes through...

Tired of these processors and their Bullshit along with the bullshit lies and replies like,

"Everything is fine on our end."

Lets here the excuse today.

XPays · 11-11-2004, 04:53 PM

rocking for http://HotelHeiress.com today fyi. saw some intermittent issues 2 days ago for less than a 2 hr period- otherwise been very very good.

edit: btw- we can add some more xsellers if anyone is interested. the copy is quite sexy and is distinctive in a world of cyberblandness

SiMpLe · 11-11-2004, 04:59 PM

I had the same concern last week - Got the same exact reply so I moved ccbill as the primary and cleaned house with subs. Rotate when this happens Alex.

Alex From San Diego · 11-11-2004, 05:06 PM

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Originally posted by SiMpLe
I had the same concern last week - Got the same exact reply so I moved ccbill as the primary and cleaned house with subs. Rotate when this happens Alex.

Thanks for the input : ))

I have my own theory of these anomalies.

Persius · 11-11-2004, 05:07 PM

interested in whats gonna be said in this thread

Alex From San Diego · 11-11-2004, 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by Persius

interested in whats gonna be said in this thread

Probably not a dam thing.

As usual, this thread will just die as it is in their hope and probably best interest.

Tat2Jr · 11-11-2004, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by SiMpLe
I had the same concern last week - Got the same exact reply so I moved ccbill as the primary and cleaned house with subs. Rotate when this happens Alex.

I'm just setting up NATS this week. I know you didn't mention NATS as your cascading, or even if you use cascading, but this comment made me have a question for NATS users.

With NATS I was under the understanding that if Epoch was scubbing hard and denied a surfers card that it would automatically go to CCBill next. If I notice a slow down with Epoch (or any processor that's set as my primary) should I manually switch CCBill to primary instead of letting the software do it? Any advantage to manually switching it during a hard scrub?

andrej_NDC · 11-11-2004, 05:27 PM

why are here tons of threads about ccbill scrubbing and only a few about epoch, if they scrubb the same?

At least now it sounds so.

kristin · 11-11-2004, 05:27 PM

We ended October with a bang, but in November have seen both good and bad days. There's no trend, no explanation ... but you are right, everything is fine on their end. ; )

johndoebob · 11-11-2004, 05:32 PM

Epoch is able to process less CCs than CCBill, CCBill mostly has technical problems like cookie loss or whatever.

That just happens on the affiliates end, the sponsor always gets it's money beside a few exeptions lately when sign ups disappeared.

jollyperv · 11-11-2004, 05:34 PM

I'm having one of the slowest weeks ever in 6 years...fucked up shit.

bigdog · 11-11-2004, 07:07 PM

time to start alexbilling

stev0 · 11-11-2004, 07:15 PM

scrubbing is a fact of life in this industry... don't blame the processing companies. They'd like to be able to put through every card just as much as you would, but the fact of the matter is they have to keep their chargebacks under 1%, otherwise you won't be making any sales at all.

Spunky · 11-11-2004, 07:15 PM

A "glitch" ?

XPays · 11-11-2004, 07:24 PM

seriously raging hard for us - jump on the bandwagon and send joins to HotelHeiress or hit me up so we can make your xsell spicey. the xsell catches the surfers attention in this case due to our exclusive copy- try it- email cs @ xpays now

Mutt · 11-11-2004, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Alex From San Diego
Thanks for the input : ))

I have my own theory of these anomalies.

why not share the theory Alex?

FreeFastHost · 11-11-2004, 08:02 PM

The past couple days have been shitty with paycom.

Andre · 11-11-2004, 08:03 PM

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Originally posted by stev0
scrubbing is a fact of life in this industry... don't blame the processing companies. They'd like to be able to put through every card just as much as you would, but the fact of the matter is they have to keep their chargebacks under 1%, otherwise you won't be making any sales at all.

Agreed on the *keeping their chargebacks under 1%*. However, I will bet you money, that some of the bigger programs get scrubbed less because they may bring in more revenue. Because they bring in more revenue they are not penalized by having their traffic scrubbed as hard, yet chargeback?s from their sites in some cases are rampant. Smaller programs get penalized to keep them under 1%.

bigdog · 11-11-2004, 08:06 PM

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Originally posted by Andre
Agreed on the *keeping their chargebacks under 1%*. However, I will bet you money, that some of the bigger programs get scrubbed less because they may bring in more revenue. Because they bring in more revenue they are not penalized by having their traffic scrubbed as hard, yet chargeback?s from their sites in some cases are rampant. Smaller programs get penalized to keep them under 1%.

intresting theory

xenigo · 11-11-2004, 08:31 PM

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Originally posted by Andre
Agreed on the *keeping their chargebacks under 1%*. However, I will bet you money, that some of the bigger programs get scrubbed less because they may bring in more revenue. Because they bring in more revenue they are not penalized by having their traffic scrubbed as hard, yet chargeback?s from their sites in some cases are rampant. Smaller programs get penalized to keep them under 1%.

Hey man, I'm in Oakland... hit me up on ICQ or AIM.

AaronM · 11-11-2004, 08:35 PM

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Originally posted by bigdog
time to start alexbilling

I'll be the first in line.

undermyspell · 11-11-2004, 08:49 PM

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Originally posted by XPays
seriously raging hard for us - jump on the bandwagon and send joins to HotelHeiress or hit me up so we can make your xsell spicey. the xsell catches the surfers attention in this case due to our exclusive copy- try it- email cs @ xpays now

well that doesn't tell me much considering i've sent targeted SE traffic from two paris domains and something is scrubbing because I have no sells registered .. but then again I don't have any hits registered either so maybe it isn't paycom

Ray@TastyDollars · 11-11-2004, 08:52 PM

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Originally posted by FreeFastHost
The past couple days have been shitty with paycom.

Ditto

XPays · 11-11-2004, 09:02 PM

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Originally posted by undermyspell
well that doesn't tell me much considering i've sent targeted SE traffic from two paris domains and something is scrubbing because I have no sells registered .. but then again I don't have any hits registered either so maybe it isn't paycom

we count entry hits - might want to send us a detailed email so we can try to assist you. feel free to test all you want. sales are steady and hopefully your next 2 days will be better than your last 2. happy to assist you as always if you wish.

Shap · 11-11-2004, 09:19 PM

I personally believe processors should have different scrub rates for different clients. It only makes sense. Clients that have lower chargeback rates are a better investment than those with higher chargeback rates.

SoloGirlsContent · 11-11-2004, 09:30 PM

doesn't look like CCBILL is scrubbing they are flat out stealing...maybe PAYCOM is too

see thread
http://board.gofuckyourself.com/show...adid=387243&s=

Shap · 11-11-2004, 10:34 PM

Ccbill isn't stilling from anyone. Simon doesn't understand delays in reporting. Anybody who ever processed with ibill knows that a delay in reporting does not = stealing. It's simply a delay in reporting

Paul Markham · 11-11-2004, 10:47 PM

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Originally posted by shap
I personally believe processors should have different scrub rates for different clients. It only makes sense. Clients that have lower chargeback rates are a better investment than those with higher chargeback rates.

Processors looking at the business and product they are selling rather than adopting one rule for all and applying it from the lowest common denominator.

That would take knowledge of the industry something most payment processors lack. Try getting someone to look at us as content providers and not assume we are really a membership site was a nightmare. Trying to convince them we are the best risk they can find is clearly impossible.

Our turnover and chargeback ratio is second to none and would allow a third party to take on a more risky business, but no they still apply the same rules to us they apply to a guy who started up last week with his first paysite or pills site.

Shap · 11-11-2004, 10:57 PM

I know Charly. This industry is geared towards the fast buck. Just look at the top grossing sites in the business. The top grossing sites are nowhere near the Top Quality sites.

Sadly most processors are not only more interested in dealing with ARS type business models but they drool over them. They usually ignore the quality guys that are below a certain level. We went thru this at ibill. Two years ago we were a young paysite that was growing. We knew we had a good thing and we knew we'd be making major bank with low CBs. Do you think they cared? Nope. No support. Nothing. We were just another client. Luckily we had a guardian angel step up and basically shake ibill into treated us like kings. We were VERY lucky. Help like that makes the difference between getting over the hump. Hopefully you?ll be able to get hooked up the way you should soon.

Theo · 11-11-2004, 11:53 PM

Currently adult billing is an oligopoly and only few steps away from becoming a monopoly. Desoligopolization is an eutopia and we can only hope it won't turn to cartel. It's all good

BigWebRev · 11-11-2004, 11:57 PM

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Originally posted by simonsyinister
doesn't look like CCBILL is scrubbing they are flat out stealing...maybe PAYCOM is too

see thread
http://board.gofuckyourself.com/show...adid=387243&s=

link no good

DeanCapture · 11-12-2004, 12:44 AM

Here's your answer:

LINK

bigdog · 11-12-2004, 01:03 AM

what about at least sending your own traffic to your own merchant account because you know at least that traffic won't be fradulent like some affilate traffic might be.

Snake Doctor · 11-12-2004, 02:05 AM

Why do people always blame the processors when sales aren't as good as they think they should be?

There are alot of other factors involved in your sales numbers than just the processor's scrub.

William-Xfactor · 11-12-2004, 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by shap
I personally believe processors should have different scrub rates for different clients. It only makes sense. Clients that have lower chargeback rates are a better investment than those with higher chargeback rates.

What does your charge back ratio have to do with how a processor treats a potential sign up? Either the information gathered during the processing of the sale is good or it?s been flagged as fraudulent or suspicious.

Maintaining a low charge back ratio on a pay site is easy, if people are not joining with stolen credit cards.

IntenseCash · 11-12-2004, 04:02 AM

sales have been great with Paycom, no problems here.

Mark

lacorporacione · 12-02-2004, 06:42 PM

Get a dedicated merchant account and control your own scrubbing!

11-11-2004, 04:49 PM	#1
Alex From San Diego Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,642	Hey Paycom...Scrub a little harder would you please Why not scrub the living shit out of every CC that comes through... Tired of these processors and their Bullshit along with the bullshit lies and replies like, "Everything is fine on our end." Lets here the excuse today. __________________ We are what we repeatedly do.-Aristotle

11-11-2004, 04:53 PM	#2
XPays Team Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Inside the most accurately counting and reporting affiliate system in the world at XPays.com Posts: 13,002	rocking for http://HotelHeiress.com today fyi. saw some intermittent issues 2 days ago for less than a 2 hr period- otherwise been very very good. edit: btw- we can add some more xsellers if anyone is interested. the copy is quite sexy and is distinctive in a world of cyberblandness __________________ InterNext Expo Domain Auction Live Now thru Feb 5 HuntingMoon GFY Domains Marketplace is LIVE XPays always pays! Top Site: * RealJasmine.com * + HotelHeiress® with The Paris Hilton Sex Video Insert the HotelHeiress® HD FEED into your members areas XPin.com Opening for Pin Partners Soonish Mainstream Offers For Emailers and DomainersNONADULT.COM Like Us! Last edited by XPays; 11-11-2004 at 04:54 PM..

11-11-2004, 04:59 PM	#3
SiMpLe Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Porn Central - California Posts: 3,221	I had the same concern last week - Got the same exact reply so I moved ccbill as the primary and cleaned house with subs. Rotate when this happens Alex. __________________ Sean Holland Vice President OrbitalPay / Global Electronic Technology (GET) SKYPE: iam.sean ::: sholland at orbitalpay.com 888-775-1500

11-11-2004, 05:27 PM	#9
kristin GOO! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Back Home : ) Posts: 9,768	We ended October with a bang, but in November have seen both good and bad days. There's no trend, no explanation ... but you are right, everything is fine on their end. ; ) __________________ Vacares rules. "Usually only fat guys have the kind of knowledge and ability that Kristin has."

11-11-2004, 05:32 PM	#10
johndoebob Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,405	Epoch is able to process less CCs than CCBill, CCBill mostly has technical problems like cookie loss or whatever. That just happens on the affiliates end, the sponsor always gets it's money beside a few exeptions lately when sign ups disappeared. __________________ Last edited by johndoebob; 11-11-2004 at 05:33 PM..

11-11-2004, 05:07 PM	#5
Persius Tap into MOBILE! Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Hollywood Posts: 11,779	interested in whats gonna be said in this thread

11-11-2004, 05:27 PM	#8
andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	why are here tons of threads about ccbill scrubbing and only a few about epoch, if they scrubb the same? At least now it sounds so.

11-11-2004, 05:34 PM	#11
jollyperv Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 3,927	I'm having one of the slowest weeks ever in 6 years...fucked up shit.

11-11-2004, 07:07 PM	#12
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	time to start alexbilling

11-11-2004, 07:15 PM	#13
stev0 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 6,801	scrubbing is a fact of life in this industry... don't blame the processing companies. They'd like to be able to put through every card just as much as you would, but the fact of the matter is they have to keep their chargebacks under 1%, otherwise you won't be making any sales at all.

11-11-2004, 07:15 PM	#14
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11-11-2004, 07:24 PM	#15
XPays Team Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Inside the most accurately counting and reporting affiliate system in the world at XPays.com Posts: 13,002	seriously raging hard for us - jump on the bandwagon and send joins to HotelHeiress or hit me up so we can make your xsell spicey. the xsell catches the surfers attention in this case due to our exclusive copy- try it- email cs @ xpays now __________________ InterNext Expo Domain Auction Live Now thru Feb 5 HuntingMoon GFY Domains Marketplace is LIVE XPays always pays! Top Site: * RealJasmine.com * + HotelHeiress® with The Paris Hilton Sex Video Insert the HotelHeiress® HD FEED into your members areas XPin.com Opening for Pin Partners Soonish Mainstream Offers For Emailers and DomainersNONADULT.COM Like Us!

11-11-2004, 08:02 PM	#17
FreeFastHost Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,588	The past couple days have been shitty with paycom.

11-11-2004, 09:19 PM	#25
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	I personally believe processors should have different scrub rates for different clients. It only makes sense. Clients that have lower chargeback rates are a better investment than those with higher chargeback rates.

11-11-2004, 09:30 PM	#26
SoloGirlsContent So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Mother fuckin Earth Posts: 5,013	doesn't look like CCBILL is scrubbing they are flat out stealing...maybe PAYCOM is too see thread http://board.gofuckyourself.com/show...adid=387243&s=

11-11-2004, 10:34 PM	#27
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Ccbill isn't stilling from anyone. Simon doesn't understand delays in reporting. Anybody who ever processed with ibill knows that a delay in reporting does not = stealing. It's simply a delay in reporting

11-11-2004, 10:57 PM	#29
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	I know Charly. This industry is geared towards the fast buck. Just look at the top grossing sites in the business. The top grossing sites are nowhere near the Top Quality sites. Sadly most processors are not only more interested in dealing with ARS type business models but they drool over them. They usually ignore the quality guys that are below a certain level. We went thru this at ibill. Two years ago we were a young paysite that was growing. We knew we had a good thing and we knew we'd be making major bank with low CBs. Do you think they cared? Nope. No support. Nothing. We were just another client. Luckily we had a guardian angel step up and basically shake ibill into treated us like kings. We were VERY lucky. Help like that makes the difference between getting over the hump. Hopefully you?ll be able to get hooked up the way you should soon. Last edited by Shap; 11-11-2004 at 10:58 PM..

11-11-2004, 11:53 PM	#30
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11-12-2004, 12:44 AM	#32
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11-12-2004, 01:03 AM	#33
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	what about at least sending your own traffic to your own merchant account because you know at least that traffic won't be fradulent like some affilate traffic might be.

11-12-2004, 02:05 AM	#34
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12-02-2004, 06:42 PM	#37
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