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Jay_StandAhead 11-09-2004 02:01 AM

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Originally posted by SuckOnThis
Ok, this is very weird. As off the wall as this sounds it is very close to stuff that I have uncovered. Now, you can take this for what its worth but I used to place people under hypnosis and take them into past lives. A few dozen times I experimented with taking them into future lives, and although I had a hard time comprehending the validity of it they would all say the same things on certain issues. Such as marijuana being legal, how long it would take to fly from NY to LA, virtual reality being common in household TV's, etc. Interesting stuff but I took a lot of it with a grain of salt. Although 15 years ago one of them mentioned the internet which is why I jumped into it back in 1995.

About 5 years ago (the last time I did this) I placed this girl under hypnosis and she believed she was in the year 2035. She started talking about how terrorist attacks from years ago completely changed this country. She talked about how Bush got killed in an attack (which he wasnt even Pres at the time) and she said something that really stuck out, she said 'but from what I understand nobody really liked him anyway'. She went on to say that millions of Americans were killed with attacks that were simultaneously done in major cities, and afterwards almost half of the people in the country moved to different countries. She said it happened in 2005. It really did freak me out for a while but I told myself it probably wasnt true. Then Bush got elected, 9/11 happened, and it seems more and more like a strong possibility. I know how crazy this all sounds but I thought it was worth sharing, especially after reading this thread.

so she'll die before 2035

SuckOnThis 11-09-2004 02:05 AM

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Originally posted by OzMan
Amazing, I would be interested in hearing more. :)
I did tape record most of it, I have it around here somewhere and maybe I'll transcript it. I don't think this chick was making this shit up, she was calling me crying for a week straight over it. She also said that during these attacks most the major casinos in Vegas were taken out, NY was hit, Atlanta, Denver, DC and LA. All in the same day. To this day I tell myself maybe its bullshit, and I figured if Kerry was elected then it would prove it wrong. Now I'm not so sure.

CET 11-09-2004 02:11 AM

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Originally posted by xclusive
Well if they did an audit of the election Kerry would be president...
No he wouldn't, he conceded. Dick Cheney would become president.

SmutGiant 11-09-2004 02:12 AM

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Originally posted by SuckOnThis
I did tape record most of it, I have it around here somewhere and maybe I'll transcript it. I don't think this chick was making this shit up, she was calling me crying for a week straight over it. She also said that during these attacks most the major casinos in Vegas were taken out, NY was hit, Atlanta, Denver, DC and LA. All in the same day. To this day I tell myself maybe its bullshit, and I figured if Kerry was elected then it would prove it wrong. Now I'm not so sure.
That's crazy. Definetly would have freaked me out.... it kinda DOES freak me out actually. :helpme

CET 11-09-2004 02:13 AM

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Originally posted by TTiger
your meeting a girls at a night club then your invite her to take a drink at hom and this is your home doors, i just cant imagine the reaction of the girls and whats running in her minds when shes looking at you :glugglug

http://www.missilebases.com/visit_ti...ntenasilom.jpg

What is that a picture of and what did you say? :eek7

CET 11-09-2004 02:14 AM

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Originally posted by SuckOnThis
Ok, this is very weird. As off the wall as this sounds it is very close to stuff that I have uncovered. Now, you can take this for what its worth but I used to place people under hypnosis and take them into past lives. A few dozen times I experimented with taking them into future lives, and although I had a hard time comprehending the validity of it they would all say the same things on certain issues. Such as marijuana being legal, how long it would take to fly from NY to LA, virtual reality being common in household TV's, etc. Interesting stuff but I took a lot of it with a grain of salt. Although 15 years ago one of them mentioned the internet which is why I jumped into it back in 1995.

About 5 years ago (the last time I did this) I placed this girl under hypnosis and she believed she was in the year 2035. She started talking about how terrorist attacks from years ago completely changed this country. She talked about how Bush got killed in an attack (which he wasnt even Pres at the time) and she said something that really stuck out, she said 'but from what I understand nobody really liked him anyway'. She went on to say that millions of Americans were killed with attacks that were simultaneously done in major cities, and afterwards almost half of the people in the country moved to different countries. She said it happened in 2005. It really did freak me out for a while but I told myself it probably wasnt true. Then Bush got elected, 9/11 happened, and it seems more and more like a strong possibility. I know how crazy this all sounds but I thought it was worth sharing, especially after reading this thread.

Past life regression = bullshit
Future life visit = bigger bullshit
Hypnotism = parlor trick

SuckOnThis 11-09-2004 02:15 AM

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Originally posted by Jay[neX]
so she'll die before 2035

That was another thing she was freaking out about. Afterwards she kept saying she wasnt going to live very much longer.
She believed she was a 19 year old male at the time. The funny thing is she didnt believe in past lives, we were laying in bed and I asked her if she wanted to try it. I know this shit sounds completely bizarre but I couldnt make this up nor would I want to.

OzMan 11-09-2004 02:15 AM

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Originally posted by SuckOnThis
I did tape record most of it, I have it around here somewhere and maybe I'll transcript it. I don't think this chick was making this shit up, she was calling me crying for a week straight over it. She also said that during these attacks most the major casinos in Vegas were taken out, NY was hit, Atlanta, Denver, DC and LA. All in the same day. To this day I tell myself maybe its bullshit, and I figured if Kerry was elected then it would prove it wrong. Now I'm not so sure.
That would be cool if you could transcript it.

I believe that the future contains an infinite set of possibilities, that nothing is set in stone/destiny fate and that we create our future by our actions and thoughts now.

Having said that, if a number of individuals are saying generally the same things, then that makes it one of the more likely possibilities. I have heard elements of yours and the original post from many different sources and some of it rings true.

I am certainly not a tin foil conspiracy type guy but being informed ahead of time about some likely outcomes is certainly wise and may even help avert or lessen some of the possible negative events. :upsidedow

BRISK 11-09-2004 02:16 AM

In the event that this stuff happens, I plan to move to a South Pacific island where I will promptly take over the native population and rule them as their self-appointed fascist leader.

:glugglug

CET 11-09-2004 02:17 AM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23
Dear fellow Americans,

I have travelled here from the year 2015 to bring you a very important message.

First of all, do not be concerned with the war in Iraq. There are much greater things to worry about that will soon be known. I can't even begin to explain the shitstorm that you are about to witness.

Also know that your recent election was rigged and the truth will come out very soon. Get used to John Kerry because he is your President for the next 11 years and counting. Yes I said 11 years and I really can't go into detail without writing a book but some very bad things happen and martial law is enacted in early of 2005. It hasn't been lifted yet and with the current climate it doesn't seem that it ever will be.

There will be no draft but there will be mandatory military service required from all healthy men and women from the age of 18 to 45. This will begin to take place in early 2006 and will continue until at least 2015 as well. If you are thinking of running to Canada to avoid this it won't help. Canada will soon be one of our biggest enemies. Who would have thought the pansies would ever put up a real fight?

Oil will soon be traded in Euros which will only compound the problems. I would tell you to remove your investments from the stock market and the dollar but it won't matter. All money will be worthless in the states soon.

I wish I could tell you more but so much of it is completely mind blowing and unavoidable anyhow. If you are planning on leaving the country do it now, just pick somewhere away from North America. The further the better.

Good luck my fellow men, half of you won't make it to 2015 and those that do will be pretty well miserable. Sorry I don't have better news for you.





:helpme :helpme :helpme

Post apocyliptic stories are popular with the masses. We have been predicting our own demise since the beginning of man. Happy stories about the future just wouldn't be popular at all. What if someone came back and said "the 2035 is SO much better then your time is!"? We'd all be bored in about a half second.

SuckOnThis 11-09-2004 02:19 AM

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Originally posted by CET
Past life regression = bullshit
Future life visit = bigger bullshit
Hypnotism = parlor trick


You're talking about stuff you know nothing about. Future life, very possible its bullshit. Past life, I've done it to hundreds of people and I personally have no doubt its valid. You can believe what you want, I really don't give a shit. And as far as you saying hypnosis is a 'parlor trick', well that truly shows your ignorance.

Napolean 11-09-2004 02:20 AM

speaking of all this, i actually had a real weird dream last night that i couldnt find a job because of my age and not serving the military.. like instead of the draft.. you just couldnt get a job without enlisting to the army first.

was weird, that would definately suck tho

Jay_StandAhead 11-09-2004 02:21 AM

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Originally posted by SuckOnThis
That was another thing she was freaking out about. Afterwards she kept saying she wasnt going to live very much longer.
She believed she was a 19 year old male at the time. The funny thing is she didnt believe in past lives, we were laying in bed and I asked her if she wanted to try it. I know this shit sounds completely bizarre but I couldnt make this up nor would I want to.


so she'll die in the nuclear war of 2015 that titor was talking about

starting to make sense!

Napolean 11-09-2004 02:23 AM

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Originally posted by SuckOnThis
You're talking about stuff you know nothing about. Future life, very possible its bullshit. Past life, I've done it to hundreds of people and I personally have no doubt its valid. You can believe what you want, I really don't give a shit. And as far as you saying hypnosis is a 'parlor trick', well that truly shows your ignorance.
if we meet in vegas you wanna hypnotise me and record me talking about my past life?

that would actually be really interesting

OzMan 11-09-2004 02:27 AM

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Originally posted by SuckOnThis
You're talking about stuff you know nothing about. Future life, very possible its bullshit. Past life, I've done it to hundreds of people and I personally have no doubt its valid. You can believe what you want, I really don't give a shit. And as far as you saying hypnosis is a 'parlor trick', well that truly shows your ignorance.
Yes "blissfull" ignorance indeed.

Nothing personal CET but you could probably read 100 books on it and talk to 1000 ppl and still think its crap. As I said to another hardline skeptic Battuss a while ago, if you are not open to at least consider new possibilities nothing will change for you.


Anyhow SuckOnThis grab some coffee and get working on those transcripts. I expect them done by the morning. :winkwink:

SuckOnThis 11-09-2004 02:28 AM

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Originally posted by OzMan
That would be cool if you could transcript it.

I believe that the future contains an infinite set of possibilities, that nothing is set in stone/destiny fate and that we create our future by our actions and thoughts now.

Having said that, if a number of individuals are saying generally the same things, then that makes it one of the more likely possibilities. I have heard elements of yours and the original post from many different sources and some of it rings true.

I am certainly not a tin foil conspiracy type guy but being informed ahead of time about some likely outcomes is certainly wise and may even help avert or lessen some of the possible negative events. :upsidedow


I couldnt agree with you more. I don't think the future is set in stone simply due to the fact that man has free will. But I do believe there are more probable futures based on factors in play at that time. Then there's some that prescribe to the theory that the past, present and future are happening all at once, which I have a hard time grasping.

Jay_StandAhead 11-09-2004 02:28 AM

if you don't believe in hypnosis, go to www.hypnotrick.com


/end spam

OzMan 11-09-2004 02:32 AM

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Originally posted by SuckOnThis
I couldnt agree with you more. I don't think the future is set in stone simply due to the fact that man has free will. But I do believe there are more probable futures based on factors in play at that time. Then there's some that prescribe to the theory that the past, present and future are happening all at once, which I have a hard time grasping.
Yes I changed my views a year ago or so from believing in past/future lives to believing in multiple simultaneous incarnations independent of time and space. Definitely harder to grasp but makes a lot more sense to me. :glugglug

CET 11-09-2004 02:39 AM

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Originally posted by SuckOnThis
You're talking about stuff you know nothing about. Future life, very possible its bullshit. Past life, I've done it to hundreds of people and I personally have no doubt its valid. You can believe what you want, I really don't give a shit. And as far as you saying hypnosis is a 'parlor trick', well that truly shows your ignorance.
Hypnotism is a parlor trick, nothing else.

http://www.randi.org/jr/020604monk.html#5

http://www.randi.org/jr/06-01-01.html

"In any case, hypnosis is merely an agreement between the subject and the operator that they will fantasize together, nothing more. It may well have some limited value as a psychiatric tool, but it's not a "power," it's not a "force," it's a role-playing game, and only highly emotional persons will react as Ms. Howarth did."

http://www.sho.com/site/ptbs/topics.do


If you can do past life regression and you have no doubt that they are valid, then that means reincarnation is a fact. If it's a fact, then we ought to be able to find SOME evidence for it outside of using hypnotism.

If hypnotism is more then a parlor trick and past life regression is real, why are you getting pissed off at me? My not believing in something isn't going to make it untrue. I think you already doubt its validity and are simply lashing out.

SuckOnThis 11-09-2004 02:42 AM

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Originally posted by OzMan
Yes I changed my views a year ago or so from believing in past/future lives to believing in multiple simultaneous incarnations independent of time and space. Definitely harder to grasp but makes a lot more sense to me. :glugglug

It does make sense to the degree that time only exists in this dimension, and I'm sure its entirely possible. But its one of those things that the brain has a hard time comprehending, kind of the same thing as where did God come from or where does the universe end. I'll make a point of transcripting it by tomorrow afternoon and post it in this thread.

CET 11-09-2004 02:42 AM

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Originally posted by OzMan
Yes "blissfull" ignorance indeed.

Nothing personal CET but you could probably read 100 books on it and talk to 1000 ppl and still think its crap. As I said to another hardline skeptic Battuss a while ago, if you are not open to at least consider new possibilities nothing will change for you.

I have no dogma, so I don't give a shit what's real and what's not, I just want to know what is real. Hypnotism is real, but it's only a parlor trick, nothing more, nothing less. Ever since movies like The Manchurian Candidate, people have given hypnotism WAY too much credit. It's an agreement between two people to fantasize together and roleplay.

OzMan 11-09-2004 02:51 AM

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Originally posted by SuckOnThis
It does make sense to the degree that time only exists in this dimension, and I'm sure its entirely possible. But its one of those things that the brain has a hard time comprehending, kind of the same thing as where did God come from or where does the universe end. I'll make a point of transcripting it by tomorrow afternoon and post it in this thread.
:thumbsup

CET 11-09-2004 02:52 AM

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Originally posted by SuckOnThis
You're talking about stuff you know nothing about. Future life, very possible its bullshit. Past life, I've done it to hundreds of people and I personally have no doubt its valid. You can believe what you want, I really don't give a shit. And as far as you saying hypnosis is a 'parlor trick', well that truly shows your ignorance.
On a side note, I find it intersting that because someone doesn't agree with you, that means they don't know what they're talking about. All I had given you to this point was 3 simple equations that gave no idication of education or experience. Yet you assumed that I had none. Your argument looks kind of like this:

Disagreement = ignorance

For all you know, I may be a psychtherapist who has done extensive studies on hypnosis. You don't know shit about me, but you're going to make baseless assumptions. You have shown how weak your position is and you know it.

SuckOnThis 11-09-2004 02:59 AM

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Originally posted by CET
Hypnotism is a parlor trick, nothing else.

http://www.randi.org/jr/020604monk.html#5

http://www.randi.org/jr/06-01-01.html

"In any case, hypnosis is merely an agreement between the subject and the operator that they will fantasize together, nothing more. It may well have some limited value as a psychiatric tool, but it's not a "power," it's not a "force," it's a role-playing game, and only highly emotional persons will react as Ms. Howarth did."

http://www.sho.com/site/ptbs/topics.do


If you can do past life regression and you have no doubt that they are valid, then that means reincarnation is a fact. If it's a fact, then we ought to be able to find SOME evidence for it outside of using hypnotism.

If hypnotism is more then a parlor trick and past life regression is real, why are you getting pissed off at me? My not believing in something isn't going to make it untrue. I think you already doubt its validity and are simply lashing out.

I am only lashing out at you because right away you say its bullshit, which I understand most people don't believe it to begin with. I don't try to push reincarnation onto anyone, but as far as hypnosis goes it is widely accepted in even mainstream psychology, which is how I got started in it as a psych major in college. If you understood how the conscious and subconscious mind worked you would realize that it makes complete sense. There are many myths about hypnosis which maybe has caused you to doubt is validity, such as a person under hypnosis can be made to do things they normally wouldnt do, or that they are completely unaware of whats going on, none of thats true. All hypnosis does is bypass the conscious mind to get to the subconscious.

OzMan 11-09-2004 03:07 AM

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Originally posted by CET
On a side note, I find it intersting that because someone doesn't agree with you, that means they don't know what they're talking about. All I had given you to this point was 3 simple equations that gave no idication of education or experience. Yet you assumed that I had none. Your argument looks kind of like this:

Disagreement = ignorance

For all you know, I may be a psychtherapist who has done extensive studies on hypnosis. You don't know shit about me, but you're going to make baseless assumptions. You have shown how weak your position is and you know it.


He KNOWS hypnosis to be valid based on his experience.

You BELIEVE hypnosis to be invalid based on what you think after having read about it. I am sure if your scepticism was based on your years as a psychotherapist you would have mentioned it before now.

It is natural to be pissed at someone who doubts what you know to be true. We are not talking about is there a God or something that can't be proven, we are talking about hypnosis which is something that is used successfully every day by trained practitioners worldwide.

smack 11-09-2004 03:08 AM

2/3 of us are dead in 2012. who cares?

OzMan 11-09-2004 03:12 AM

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Originally posted by smack
2/3 of us are dead in 2012. who cares?
I'd like to be in the one third left :winkwink:

Well you have two choices if you think your number will be up tomorrow or in 2012, both of which can happen.

1) Party till then as "fuck it what's the point"

or 2) Make use of every day

dunefield 11-09-2004 03:23 AM

So who's the undercover FBI agent :(

smack 11-09-2004 03:25 AM

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Originally posted by OzMan
I'd like to be in the one third left :winkwink:

Well you have two choices if you think your number will be up tomorrow or in 2012, both of which can happen.

1) Party till then as "fuck it what's the point"

or 2) Make use of every day

i'm pretty sure i will be in the 1/3 if i can enlighten myself by then.

by the way it's not set in stone. if humanity can turn itself around we have a chance.

VeriSexy 11-09-2004 03:37 AM

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Originally posted by JaceXXX
http://www.johntitor.com/
BINGO

VeriSexy 11-09-2004 03:49 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Well, the good news is that weed will be legal. :1orglaugh
:1orglaugh That would make sense cause the only thing keeping weed legal in Canada in USA. If USA would be under war and become weak, then it would no longer have influence on Canada. Once it's legal in Canada then it would give no choice but to legalize it.

BRISK 11-09-2004 03:53 AM

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Originally posted by VeriSexy
:1orglaugh That would make sense cause the only thing keeping weed legal in Canada in USA. If USA would be under war and become weak, then it would no longer have influence on Canada. Once it's legal in Canada then it would give no choice but to legalize it.
I don't think the US is the only reason keeping weed from being fully legal in Canada. I seem to remember reading that Canada actually began its war on drugs before the US.

VeriSexy 11-09-2004 03:59 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
I don't think the US is the only reason keeping weed from being fully legal in Canada. I seem to remember reading that Canada actually began its war on drugs before the US.
Well that was before, Canada has become more and more liberal.

BRISK 11-09-2004 04:03 AM

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Originally posted by VeriSexy
Well that was before, Canada has become more and more liberal.
True, but I think it's unrealistic to expect any country to just fully legalize it. But it's good to see Canada making baby steps towards fully legalizing it. :thumbsup

TTiger 11-09-2004 04:17 AM

rumor said that our prime minister paul martin have been caught with drugs inside one of his ships :winkwink:

TTiger 11-09-2004 04:18 AM

any quebecer jeff fillion of andré arthur fans here?

Pornopat 11-09-2004 04:37 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Well, the good news is that weed will be legal. :1orglaugh
Probably as a medication against pain with all those predicted attacks..:(

Repetitive Monkey 11-09-2004 04:42 AM

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Originally posted by OzMan
He KNOWS hypnosis to be valid based on his experience.

You BELIEVE hypnosis to be invalid based on what you think after having read about it. I am sure if your scepticism was based on your years as a psychotherapist you would have mentioned it before now.

He didn't say that hypnosis wasn't valid, he said that it was a parlor trick. You are using a straw man argument to shoot him down, and that certainly is not valid.

the_wizz 11-09-2004 05:14 AM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23
I got an email from myself about it too. WTF is going on?????? :helpme :helpme :helpme
Someone needs to lay OFF the crack pipe.

Pornopat 11-09-2004 06:06 AM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23
I got an email from myself about it too. WTF is going on?????? :helpme :helpme :helpme
Put up a spamfilter. :winkwink:

VeriSexy 11-09-2004 06:10 AM

I was looking up info on country debts and found this :helpme

Is a USA Economic Collapse Due in 2005?

"The whole world is hostage to the misconceived economic policies of a dollar standard out of control."

The US Senate just reconfirmed 78-year-old Alan Greenspan to an unprecedented fifth term as chairman of the world's most powerful central bank, the Federal Reserve, or Fed as it is known. The fact that President Bush re-nominated Greenspan underscores how vulnerable the global financial edifice is, and not how excellent a central banker Greenspan is.

On the surface, world growth appears to be expanding finally, after severe recession and the 60% fall of the US stock market in 2000-2001. The Federal Reserve says it is so confident that growth in the US economy is taking firm hold, that it raised its key interest rate from a record low 1% to 1.25% last month, signaling it would slowly bring rates up to "neutral" levels of 3.5-4.5% over coming months. Around the world, strong growth of exports are being reported from Brazil to Mexico to South Korea. Growth in China is so strong the government is worried it is overheating. In Europe, the UK is expanding at the fastest pace in 15 years. France expects GDP to grow by 2.5%, and even Germany is talking about stronger export growth. The driver is US economic growth.

The problem with this optimistic picture is the fact it is entirely based on the dollar and unprecedented creation of cheap dollar credit by Greenspan and the Bush Administration. Their only short-term goal has been to keep the US economy strong enough to assure re-election for George Bush in November. Washington reports are that Bush made a deal to re-appoint Greenspan on the promise Greenspan would keep the economy growing until the elections. They have done this by a combination of historic low interest rates, rates only seen before in times of war or depression, and by stimulating the economy by record budget deficit spending, issuing government bonds to finance it. The world has been flooded with cheap dollars as a result.

What is clear now is that this unsustainable effort is likely to come to an end sometime in 2005, just after the elections, regardless of who is President. Given the scale of the money-printing by the Fed and the US Treasury since 2001, it is pre-programmed that the "correction" of the latest Greenspan credit binge will impact the entire global financial and economic system. Some economists fear a new Great Depression like the 1930's. The world today depends on cheap US dollar credit. When US interest rates are finally forced higher, dramatic shocks will hit Europe, Asia and the entire global economy, unlike any seen since the 1930's. Debts that now appear manageable will suddenly become un-payable. Defaults and bankruptcies will spread as they did in the wake of the 1931 Creditanstalt collapse.

The US Home Bubble

The official US myth is that the recession of 2000-2001 ended in November 2001 and "recovery" has been underway ever since. The reality is not so positive. Using record low interest rates, the Fed has lured American families into debt at record rates, creating what might be called a "virtual recovery," financed by record amounts of new consumer debt. There has never been a recovery before in which debt levels increase, rather the opposite.

The American dream of owning an own home has been the source of the record lending, helped by the lowest interest rates in 43 years. Greenspan has often boasted this has been what has propped the US economy since 2001. When families buy a home, they need furniture, they employ construction workers, electricians, engineers, and the economy grows. Record low interest rates have made it very easy for families to get a bank loan, using their home equity as collateral or guarantee. These loans, tied to the rising real estate prices, allowed American families to finance new furniture, cars, and countless more. In 2003 banks made a record $324 billion in such home equity loans, on top of $1 trillion in new mortgage loans.

All this economic consumption has created the illusion of a recovering economy. Behind the surface, a huge debt burden has built up. Since 1997, the total of home mortgage debt for Americans has risen 94% to a colossal $7.4 trillion, a debt of some $120,000 for a family of four. Bank loans for real estate purchases have risen since 1997 by 200%, to $2.4 trillion. Average US home prices have risen by 50% in the period since 1998. In 2003 alone a record total of $1 trillion in new mortgage loans were made. In 1997 mortgages totalled $202 billion.

In many parts of the US, home price inflation has become alarming. An apartment in Manhattan is now above $1 million. Home prices in Boston have risen by 64% in five years. California real estate prices are soaring. On average US home prices have risen 50% in six years, an unprecedented rise, driven by Greenspan's easy credit. In seven years to 2004, prices of US homes had risen on paper by $7 trillion to a total of $15 trillion, the highest in US history. The problem is so obviously dangerous, that Greenspan recently was forced to deny existence of any real estate "bubble," much as he denied a dot.com stock bubble in 2000.

But that is exactly what he has created with his low interest rates. The dot.com bubble has been transformed into a larger and more threatening real estate bubble. Families have been convinced to invest in a home as an alternative to buying stocks for their pension years.

The rise in home prices has been driven by cheap interest rates and banks rushing to lend with abandon. Because two semi-government agencies, the Federal National Mortgage Association, known as FannieMae, and the Government National Mortgage Association, or GinnieMae buy up the bank's mortgage contracts, taking the risk from the local banks, so the local lending bank has less pressure to guarantee that he lends to low-risk credit-worthy families likely to repay the loan.

The US Congress has passed new laws making it even easier for families to buy homes with no penny of their own money required initially as "down payment." This has meant a huge rise in mortgage loans to economically marginal or risky families. The number of such risky or "sub-prime" mortgage loans has risen by 70% this year alone, and now makes up 18% of all US mortgages. Many of these risky mortgages are made under "adjustable rate mortgages". Today adjustable rates are low, just above 4%. Because of this some 35% of all new mortgages are adjustable today.

So long as rates stay low, the roulette wheel of debt rolls on. The problem begins when interest rates rise and families, lured into buying a home with variable interest rate payments, suddenly find their monthly cost of paying the mortgage has exploded as interest rates rise. At that point, US banks will face a serious bad loan problem, far worse than that of 1990-92 when several of the largest US banks were on the brink of failure. US rates began to rise significantly in May, and the Fed was forced to raise its official rate on June 30 for the first time in four years. Many banks have loans written in adjustable mortgage rates. As US interest rates continue to rise over the next twelve months or so, that will trigger a wave of mortgage defaults. Some industry experts fear a "bloodbath" in 2005.

The American family is highly indebted, not just for their home. The Federal Reserve data show a total US debt level now above $35 trillions, or some $ 450,000 for a typical family of four. Average consumer debt for credit cards, autos and such is at record highs. Carmakers continue to offer car loans, with loans for up to six or even seven years. Many Americans owe more on their car than it is worth. The debt grows. As long as Fed rates are at 43 year lows, the debt is manageable. When US rates rise, it becomes unmanageable for many. The rise has begun. There are two ways rates are likely to rise from here.

First, the Fed itself has been forced to act, raising its Fed funds rate the first time since four years, to 1.25% from 1% on June 30. It had no choice. Greenspan has claimed for months that the US recovery was "strong" and that rates would return to "normal" soon. It was a calculated bluff. Had he not acted as US jobs data convinced investors recovery might be real, he faced a major crisis of confidence in the dollar. The Bush Administration reportedly manipulated employment statistics to show better job growth for the election.

Ever since raising rates, Greenspan has calmed nervous markets by stating that future rises will be ever so gradual. In other words: don't worry, speculators. But if he is to keep the confidence of the large bond markets, he must convince them that he is still vigilant against inflation. That is tough when prices for everything from copper to oil to lumber to soybeans and scrap steel are rising from 50% to 110% over recent months. His only anti-inflation tool is higher interest rates, or promise of same. The longer he fails to raise rates as prices rise, the greater the risk of a dollar crisis, as foreign investors fear the worst, namely that the US economy is in far worse shape than officials admit. The Fed is in a trap.

Yet higher interest rates threaten to explode the trillion dollar home mortgage debt bubble, where home values are estimated to be at least 20% overvalued nationally, or $3 trillion.

When private bond investors such as major pension funds and banks lose confidence in Greenspan's inflation commitment, the only other source of support for low interest rates would be the willingness of Japan and China above all, to pour billions more of their dollars into buying US bonds.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/ENG407A.html

IPK 11-09-2004 06:17 AM

oh well, i've had a good run, i'm ready for whatever whenever

crockett 11-09-2004 07:12 AM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23
wtf? I didn't post this...
Sure you did.. you just don't know you posted it yet because you did it in the future. :1orglaugh

12clicks 11-09-2004 07:20 AM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23
Dear fellow Americans,

I have travelled here from the year 2015 to bring you a very important message.

First of all, do not be concerned with the war in Iraq. There are much greater things to worry about that will soon be known. I can't even begin to explain the shitstorm that you are about to witness.

Also know that your recent election was rigged and the truth will come out very soon. Get used to John Kerry because he is your President for the next 11 years and counting. Yes I said 11 years and I really can't go into detail without writing a book but some very bad things happen and martial law is enacted in early of 2005. It hasn't been lifted yet and with the current climate it doesn't seem that it ever will be.

There will be no draft but there will be mandatory military service required from all healthy men and women from the age of 18 to 45. This will begin to take place in early 2006 and will continue until at least 2015 as well. If you are thinking of running to Canada to avoid this it won't help. Canada will soon be one of our biggest enemies. Who would have thought the pansies would ever put up a real fight?

Oil will soon be traded in Euros which will only compound the problems. I would tell you to remove your investments from the stock market and the dollar but it won't matter. All money will be worthless in the states soon.

I wish I could tell you more but so much of it is completely mind blowing and unavoidable anyhow. If you are planning on leaving the country do it now, just pick somewhere away from North America. The further the better.

Good luck my fellow men, half of you won't make it to 2015 and those that do will be pretty well miserable. Sorry I don't have better news for you.





:helpme :helpme :helpme

so this is what its come down to, eh?
the misguided youth of the interent rooting against their country by inventing their own fantasy reality.:1orglaugh


and they wonder why they lost.:1orglaugh

OzMan 11-09-2004 11:06 PM

:glugglug

Clicky_Bucks 11-09-2004 11:51 PM

stocktrader is a big pussy who is now a big crying baby. :1orglaugh

I bet he's glad he didn't take my 1000 dollar bet now.

Oh wait, I'm sure he would have welched by saying, "the election was rigged, you owe me 1000 bucks".

WarChild 11-10-2004 12:02 AM

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Originally posted by SuckOnThis
Ok, this is very weird. As off the wall as this sounds it is very close to stuff that I have uncovered. Now, you can take this for what its worth but I used to place people under hypnosis and take them into past lives. A few dozen times I experimented with taking them into future lives, and although I had a hard time comprehending the validity of it they would all say the same things on certain issues. Such as marijuana being legal, how long it would take to fly from NY to LA, virtual reality being common in household TV's, etc. Interesting stuff but I took a lot of it with a grain of salt. Although 15 years ago one of them mentioned the internet which is why I jumped into it back in 1995.

About 5 years ago (the last time I did this) I placed this girl under hypnosis and she believed she was in the year 2035. She started talking about how terrorist attacks from years ago completely changed this country. She talked about how Bush got killed in an attack (which he wasnt even Pres at the time) and she said something that really stuck out, she said 'but from what I understand nobody really liked him anyway'. She went on to say that millions of Americans were killed with attacks that were simultaneously done in major cities, and afterwards almost half of the people in the country moved to different countries. She said it happened in 2005. It really did freak me out for a while but I told myself it probably wasnt true. Then Bush got elected, 9/11 happened, and it seems more and more like a strong possibility. I know how crazy this all sounds but I thought it was worth sharing, especially after reading this thread.

Seek help.

ThunderBalls 11-10-2004 12:34 AM

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Originally posted by WarChild
Seek help.

And be like you?


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