LOLITA and TEEN Q? advice needed

[Hunter]

1st post I have gone and fucked myself already

The question i have is using the word lolita in discribing a "teen" gallery on a TGP site..
1. Illigal?
2. Not ethical?
3. Not going to make me popular with other webmasters?
4. whatever else i haven't thought of...

I am wanting to open a teen TGP and need to know what discriptions are OK.!
( i will not list CP or any Illigal stuff)goes without saying.
also i will only use big well known sponsors
( ARS..Maxcash etc...)
none of that club17 type sponsor..

in short using words like schoolgirl gallery,
lolita gallery, teen gallery is or is not aceptable.?? in your opinion
How far can i go without crossing the line?

[Theo]

http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/...ML/006484.html
read this and you'll get some interesting clues i think

[Hunter]

Thanks,
there is a lot of conflicting opinions on that thread.
So i still want to hear from more people about this...how far i can go in describing teen galleries and teen sponsors!
what words do you use?

[Hunter]

Yes i agree 100%

i actually never submit galleries with any reference to the word lolita etc...

My Question is also (or more) about my own new TEEN TGP which i am building.
galleries submited to my TGP will be given a description ( Teen - Asian - Softcore - etc..) would the word Lolita and or Shoolgirls description of a gallery submited to me be wrong or illigal or ... ?
( ofcourse i will not list/approve galleries that are actually lolita or under 18 content !)

[SR]

Using the words is not illigal as long as the girls are 18+.
But I would use "Teen" instead of lolita, young teens etc.
Some big sites use it (easypic.com) but I think you make more friends with using "Teen".
easypic.com has in their "keywords" words like pre-teen, incest, rape and more of that.
Not illigal but I wouldn't be happy to get visitors on my site that are looking for such things.

[Warphead]

I think we need to think about how the meanings of words change with usage. For example "teen gallery" to me means a young, attractive girl with no implants and not dressed like a hooker. Whether she's 24 doesn't really matter to me.

The word lolita actually means an underage girl, but since we're mostly businessmen (and women) I'm willing to bet very few of us would consider using underage galleries on our sites. So the real moral dilemma is will we use a word meaning CP to mislead the surfers, even if it ties us superficially with CP (which could easily bite our asses).

I run a teen site, as defined above, and I don't use the word lolita in it. I don't think that means that Dre or any of the guys mentioned in the other thread are more likely to post CP than I am. I just choose to distance myself personally from those ideas.

I'm all for the idea of CJ's using tactics like this, if you're going to completely fuck over a surfer with heavy popups and sneaky dialers - who better than a pedophile? There's a little justice in there.

[Dopy]

Non of that Club 17 shit ?

Suggest you read the claims http://www.clubseventeen.com yes it?s all backed up legally too.

Are you wanting to make money or planning a hair splitting session. Use them all, Lolita, Young Girls, School Girls because they are all part of the fantasy world. As long as your content and sponsors are legal there is no problem whatsoever.

If you have models that are 18 or over but look only 16 use them because they will convert like crazy !!! We never use amateur teen models that look 20 in our content, teens is what the visitor is expecting and teens is exactly what he gets.

Are you feeding paedophiles with these tactics ? Sorry to upset your theories guys but paedophiles are not interested in legal stuff even if it does look 16. Are your tactics unethical or immoral ? Ask the worlds largest advertising agencies the same question, they found out that pigtails and white socks sell product long before any adult site.

Its not difficult to work the fantasy and keep within the lines of decency, all that?s needed is a little common sense.

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by Hunter:
How far can i go without crossing the line?

The answer to that is easy --- Why not just not approach the line at all? Stay legal, make sure all of your own models or those shown in pics you post are all 18+ and you'll not only have less headaches over time, but you'll feel much better about yourself as well. Making money is great, but there are other ways of making money than off of ad copy that is synonymous with child porn.

One example of a TGP with class is Richard's Realm, here's the breakdown over there as I see it:

Traffic: Good, 5-7k per day
post time: excellent, I've been listed in under an hour, 1-2 days at the worst of times.
Keywords NOT allowed: Lolita, teen. There are tons of other banned words, but I know of these two for sure. That's right, he doesn't accept the word "Teen". Young lady is okay though. I've never tried to punt the word "lolita" past Richard, but I know he won't list galleries using that word.

Like others have said, "lolita" is a word that is frowned upon by many many sites and tgp's, I choose to avoid use of that word on my sites anyway, I don't much care for it's implications. I do use "Teen" though, except at sites like RR, Yet I avoid using the term "young teen". But again, I make 100% maximum efforts to ensure that whatever models I'm using are 18+, always.

Good luck bro
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[whoreans]

GO FUCK YOURSEFL HUNTER!

[CoreDump]

Originally posted by Hunter:
in short using words like schoolgirl gallery,
lolita gallery, teen gallery is or is not aceptable.?? in your opinion
How far can i go without crossing the line?

according http://www.dictionary.com:
Lolita: A seductive adolescent girl.

Adolescent means underage and therefor i consider the term as ilegal.

Play it safe and just use the term teens.

[eroswebmaster]

I am fairly new at this myself but will go ahead and toss my hat into the ring, jump on the soapbox and spend my 2cents.

I see a lot of moralizing going on both sides of the fence when we are all involved in an industry considered to be immoral.

I live in a community (one of the hostile states) that could very well land me in a shitload of trouble for showing pink even if it's expiration date is close to expiring.

And I know this is going to shock you...but some people think homosexuals are going to hell...GASP!!!!

What am I getting at you might ask yourself.

I'm an extremely liberal guy. I don't care what you do in the privacy of your own home as long as it's legal, and I don't care what you put up on the internet as long as it's legal and involves parties who according to that community and/or state's laws has the ability to make that judgement.

How does this affect the use of the term lolita?

Being that any citizen who leans the slightest bit right of sensibility wants to shut us down we as business minded individuals, and adults should be acting responsibly in order to avoid even more regulation of this industry.

What good will it do to make some money in the short term (even if it's a shitload)by using key words like lolita, pre-teen etc when all it will do is enable those in power to justify limiting free speech.

Yes it's free speech. Even using cp tagged keywords is free speech. But even freedom has it's limits, and with increased freedom comes more responsibility not less.

I plan on doing this long term. I'm not in this just to make the quick buck by any means necessary.

We as individuals each have our own path to follow and cannot dictate what path you must take. But remember there are consequences to each and every decision we make.

One thing I've learned in my short time on this earth, it is not about making the big decisions that truly affect our destiny. This is not t.v. or a movie, but real life. Rarely are you going to have to make the decision tantamount to pulling the plug on your wife as she lies in a coma on a bed in General Hospital.

However, it is about the small decisions. The ones we make every other minute that can lead to our success, failure, even death. You know the ones, like taking a different route to work that day and ending up in a car wreck.

So, in closing. Remember there are always conseuquences. For every action there is an equal opposite reaction.

eros http://www.teegeepee.com



[This message has been edited by eroswebmaster (edited 08-05-2001).]

[Hunter]

CD smith
while i agree with you ( 90% ) I wonder if all of us in the porn bizz aren't getting to close to The Line on the odd ocasion.
Dopy
I didn't mean to suggest that club17 is a bad or illigal sponsor. I just don't use them
because of the (17 :-) ) Illigal age here !

I think i need to stick to using the word teen. I would say the word schoolgirls also suggests young underage girls but ppl are
only comenting on "Lolita" being NO GOOD
young teen
is ok???
18 and 19 is an OLD Teen !

13 to 15 years old is a young teen !
why then is saying young teen OK ???
but not Lolita ?
(i may not end up using either )

[RedShoe]

What about "Barely Legal"?

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[eroswebmaster]

I personally don't see anything wrong with the term "barely legal."

It defines that it is "legal." Could be they are 18 years old for only 5 minutes, but by law they are legal. The term does not imply that you might find illegal content there, just young women.

eros

[Fart]

I personally do NOT use

- lolita
- young teen
- young girl
- school girl

no matter if a tgp or whatsoever allows it or not. These issues are too serious, you need to have your own viewpoint for this.

I DO use

- teen
- girl (if the context doesn't imply CP)
- cheerleader

I don't use the words "farm", "zoo" etc.
either (and don't make such sites).

Let kids and animals alone. No need to discuss the legal issues, it is a question of class and ethics in the first place.

[Dopy]

Was Anna Kournikova the 16 year old sex object wrong ? If so there are many millions of paedophiles running round the world feeding the sponsor bank accounts. Poor little Anna, she had so much trouble with that serve but hey dont worry baby your daddy is waitng for you outside.

Wow , thank god we know our market.

Pull yourselves out of your narrow little worlds and take a look around, the boundries have moved in the past 10 years, men are now presented with 16 year old girls that present themselves as sex objects.

I said it in another post - get to the real child porn and stop waving your good boy hats in public.

[CDSmith]

Good one dopey --

spoken like a sponsor that cares only for the almighty dollar no matter who gets hurt.

excuse me for saying so, but you sir are a bit of a dumbass for those remarks. The issue right here - right now on this thread is about what is right, and what is wrong...period. The example you just brought up was definitely totally unfair to A.K., not to mention hundreds of other stars and models (like Alyssa Milanno, Britney Spears etc etc etc) Just because she's famous, an athlete, tanned and good-looking, that gives thousands of assholes the right to show nude pics of her without her consent all over the net? (no regard for her age either). If you think this is correct behaviour for anyone, then I think I'll pass on your "club 17" bullshit.

Enjoy your millions, sleep well (if you can).
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[Dopy]

Yep dollars is our game and we make lots of them.

I will give you one thing CD, you talk a good show.

Unfair to AK .... LOL some people are so slow. AK is our inspiration.

Of course I am a dumb ass, look at my nickname.

Stupid boy

[CDSmith]

I don't just talk a good show dopey, trust me, I back it up with my actions.

Maybe one day one of these famous underage inspirations of yours will sue your ass back to a reasonable mental state (or the stone age, the ghetto, or wherever it is you came from).

One can only hope.
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[Dopy]

I don't just talk a good show dopey, trust me, I back it up with my actions.

YES I HAVE SEEN THE EVIDENCE VERY IMPRESSIVE

Maybe one day one of these famous underage inspirations of yours will sue your ass back to a reasonable mental state (or the stone age, the ghetto, or wherever it is you came from).

SUE ME FOR USING LEGAL MATERIAL, I COULD PROFIT FROM AN ACTION LIKE THAT


Not really worth much more, I will crawl back to my ghetto. Have fun and prosper

[NickB.]

Just do it man! lolita-> it's a keywords which been searched a lot, so that means traffic! and that means $$$

just make sure your content is legal, if you submit with lolita, they'll check you out!
Trust me; I know

Best regards,

Nick

[Doctor Dre]

Check out it's 100 % legal as long as all the models are legal age ...

Me jenny xapster spycam are using theses descriptions (We all have from 300 to 600k each) . Everybody on gfy are complaining that we need to take care of the surfer but everybody give them 30 high quality pics per gallery with 200 new galleries per day ... Who is stupid me or them ?

Anyways in this bizz, do yours and don't care of the others . Don't cheat and you'll be legit =p

If they don't want to trade cauz of this word they just don't have too ... But it's very used .

[Hunter]

Please take a Look http://www.huntertgp.com
it is one of the pages that i am having trouble deciding if i should use it or not!
( because of the word Lolita and Shoolgirls)

Tell me what you think and also is there any legal issues i need to consider ?

[Dopy]

Hunter

Dont you have an icq # ?

I have just noticed your location, you are worrying too much. I have some advice and help for your ears.

[This message has been edited by Dopy (edited 08-06-2001).]

[Hunter]

Sure I do

icq 121258311

As u can see it is just a sample page
i am still working on it and feedback is welcome

[Doctor Dre]

mmmmmmm Where the fuck did you copied this AWESOME layout ??? lol

hey man next time, try to make your own tables and your own sites . Don't copy on mine !

[Doctor Dre]

[This message has been edited by Doctor Dre (edited 08-06-2001).]

[Hunter]

Hello Doctor Dre,
Yes (it's based on your layout) sorry about that i needed an example of
what i was talking about on here so i used this example, and changed it a little as you can see it is not a (working ) page and was not going to be used as is on huntertgp.com
And yes it is a great layout
good work Dr.

Hope this will not put me in Hot water with you:-)
I will let you all know when the site is up and hope it will meet with your approval,

[mukoh]

Dre.
I wonder why he didn't take the thumbnails too. You know, that is the secret to all those damm big trading sites. LOL

[Hunter]

Let me say it one more time

The site as you see it above was online for 12 hours only ( for the purpose of this thread ) as an example !
I know i should not and will not copy other peoples homepage ! The pictures on the page were not linked to anything or any sponsor same as the gallery dicriptions not linked to any gallery or sponsor !
I am sorry again for having used your design
Doc.( I do like it however :-) )
and as u can see it is deleted already !!!

This is not my first Adult site !
if u want to have a look at them to check if i copied someone or if you have
any other problems please ICQ me
Hope you all understand...

[beenus]

Good morning everyone,

my name is Dennis Beentjes from Club Seventeen, I wanted to state that Club Seventeen has been a sex brand in the Netherlands for over 32 years already, Seventeen started as an erotic magazine just like Seventeen magazine in the States although with other content. All models are 18+, we understand the concern that a few webmasters have and we respect that, therefore we created additional teen sites as http://www.teensex.nl and http://www.lolita-sex.nl

If you have any additional questions don't hesitate to ask me: [email protected]

Thanks for your time guys ;-)


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[Doctor Dre]

It's ok man As long as you don't use it with traffic I don't care =p