US Soldiers threatened: Re-enlist or go back to Iraq - GoFuckYourself.com

SuckOnThis · 09-28-2004, 07:35 PM

Still think there's not going to be a draft?

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...214410,00.html

Rep. Diana DeGette called upon Congress Monday to investigate complaints by Fort Carson soldiers that they are being threatened with deployment to Iraq if they do not re-enlist.

"I am hearing from enlisted personnel who are telling me they're being coerced into re-enlisting. They're telling me that if they don't re-enlist they're going to be sent back to Iraq," DeGette said, standing at the Colorado Veterans Memorial in front of the state Capitol Monday.

"This is an outrage. Soldiers who served honorably, fought in Iraq and are near the end of their service should not be threatened with impressment," she said.

The Denver Democrat sent a letter Monday to House Armed Services Committee Chairman Duncan Hunter, a California Republican, asking him to examine the soldiers' statements and Army practices.

Meanwhile, new accusations of coercion came from two more soldiers from Fort Carson's 3rd Brigade Combat Team. The soldiers told the Rocky Mountain News that Army recruiters told them to re-enlist for three years with the 3rd Brigade or they would be sent to other units most likely bound for Iraq.

Their accounts agreed with those of two soldiers who told the News two weeks ago that much of the 3rd Brigade was issued the same ultimatum in a series of meetings earlier this month.

A Fort Carson spokesman has said that 3rd Brigade recruitment officers denied threatening the soldiers with Iraq duty.

"We were offered about $10,000 (as a bonus) to re-enlist, but a lot of us said no, we didn't want to," said Wes Swanson, a specialist who was wounded during his first tour in Iraq.

"So they said if you don't re-enlist, we're going to PCS (transfer) you to another unit that's going to Iraq, and you're going to end up going to Iraq for another year whether you re-enlist or not," he said.

Another soldier, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said he has less than a year left on active duty, but was told he'd be sent back to Iraq if he refused to re-enlist.

"I definitely would be involuntarily extended if they put me into a unit that was going back to Iraq," he said.

"Why not just let me finish what I signed up for? It's a shame a policy like this exists. We're supposed to be a volunteer Army," he said.

Army human resources officials responded to the soldiers' charges last week, saying that it is unlikely that those with less than 12 months of their obligation remaining would be sent to Iraq.

But the soldiers say that contradicts what the recruiters continue to tell them.

Extending a soldier's active duty is within Army authority. The enlistment contract carries an eight-year obligation, even if a soldier signs for only three or four years of active duty.

But the Army has rarely forced soldiers to stay beyond their active duty enlistment contracts, said one Vietnam-era veteran who accompanied DeGette Monday.

"I've never seen anything like this," said Ron Cole, a Navy pilot during the Vietnam war.

DeGette believes the Army is facing troop shortages and resorting to severe measures to retain soldiers.

"They're having problems meeting recruitment goals and they're putting this hammer over their heads, which is just wrong," said DeGette.

On Monday, The New York Times reported that the National Guard recruitment is expected to fall short of its annual recruiting quota for the first time since 1994, almost 10 percent below its goal of 56,000 recruits.

Swanson said that the active duty Army is "incredibly short of soldiers."

"The Army Times keeps saying there's not enough soldiers for this, there's not enough soldiers for that, and there's a lot of people who want to get out. I mean we're in the middle of a war, for God's sake," he said.

DeGette said she has heard anecdotally from Congress members that pressure is being exerted at other military posts.

"The question remains: How widespread is this? How deep does it go into the Pentagon? How far does it go up to the Oval Office?

"We need to look into this and make sure we cherish and respect our fighting men and women," DeGette said.

bringer · 09-28-2004, 07:36 PM

thats bullshit
they should arrest the people telling soldiers that

baddog · 09-28-2004, 07:39 PM

and if they do re-enlist they won't go to Iraq?

uchase/webpry · 09-28-2004, 07:39 PM

... sending in all gfy "I would die for my country" keyboard warriors will make this place so much cleaner.

Tom_PMs · 09-28-2004, 07:40 PM

Agreed, thats bullshit tactics.. really disturbing if being done like that

Theo · 09-28-2004, 07:46 PM

no worries, if needed 12clicks and boobmaster will enlist and serve for their countries

Rochard · 09-28-2004, 07:56 PM

First off, it would be nice if this reporter could spell. Just what is "impressment".

I wonder..... I can believe this is happening. But when I add up the number of our military personel and subtract what is in Iraq.... I'm still seeing impressive numbers.

I thought our military was set up to fight three conflicts at once?

stocktrader23 · 09-28-2004, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RocHard
First off, it would be nice if this reporter could spell. Just what is "impressment".

forcible enrollment of recruits for military duty.

uchase/webpry · 09-28-2004, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
no worries, if needed 12clicks and boobmaster will enlist and serve for their countries

... rochard and theking will be there aswell.

MrJackMeHoff · 09-28-2004, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by uchase/webpry
... sending in all gfy "I would die for my country" keyboard warriors will make this place so much cleaner.

Why do you have a pic of a cock of a fellow GFY member in your sig thats the gayest shit I have ever seen.

ironlung · 09-28-2004, 07:59 PM

lol impressment-\Im*press"ment\, n. The act of seizing for public use, or of impressing into public service; compulsion to serve; as, the impressment of provisions or of sailors

yea i heard that to, i for sure believe it

uno · 09-28-2004, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by baddog
and if they do re-enlist they won't go to Iraq?

Sounds like the stick has shit on both ends.

Mr Pheer · 09-28-2004, 10:01 PM

This doesnt surprise me. I was told that if I didnt re-enlist, I would have to stay in Korea until my current enlistment was over. A normal tour in Korea is 1 year, they told me this 7 months into my 1 year that if i did not reenlist, i'd be there for 12 more months, total of 19 months. I told them thats fine because I'm saving almost 90% of my paychecks plus I had a girlfriend from Romania that was there also, didnt bother me at all.

The very next month I had orders to go to Ft Rucker, Alabama when my 1 year was up, so the reenlistment NCO was just trying to pull whatever bullshit he could to get me to sign the papers, and I'm sure that is exactly what is going on now in Ft Carson.

09-28-2004, 07:35 PM	#1
SuckOnThis So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In my head Posts: 6,844	US Soldiers threatened: Re-enlist or go back to Iraq Still think there's not going to be a draft? http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...214410,00.html Rep. Diana DeGette called upon Congress Monday to investigate complaints by Fort Carson soldiers that they are being threatened with deployment to Iraq if they do not re-enlist. "I am hearing from enlisted personnel who are telling me they're being coerced into re-enlisting. They're telling me that if they don't re-enlist they're going to be sent back to Iraq," DeGette said, standing at the Colorado Veterans Memorial in front of the state Capitol Monday. "This is an outrage. Soldiers who served honorably, fought in Iraq and are near the end of their service should not be threatened with impressment," she said. The Denver Democrat sent a letter Monday to House Armed Services Committee Chairman Duncan Hunter, a California Republican, asking him to examine the soldiers' statements and Army practices. Meanwhile, new accusations of coercion came from two more soldiers from Fort Carson's 3rd Brigade Combat Team. The soldiers told the Rocky Mountain News that Army recruiters told them to re-enlist for three years with the 3rd Brigade or they would be sent to other units most likely bound for Iraq. Their accounts agreed with those of two soldiers who told the News two weeks ago that much of the 3rd Brigade was issued the same ultimatum in a series of meetings earlier this month. A Fort Carson spokesman has said that 3rd Brigade recruitment officers denied threatening the soldiers with Iraq duty. "We were offered about $10,000 (as a bonus) to re-enlist, but a lot of us said no, we didn't want to," said Wes Swanson, a specialist who was wounded during his first tour in Iraq. "So they said if you don't re-enlist, we're going to PCS (transfer) you to another unit that's going to Iraq, and you're going to end up going to Iraq for another year whether you re-enlist or not," he said. Another soldier, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said he has less than a year left on active duty, but was told he'd be sent back to Iraq if he refused to re-enlist. "I definitely would be involuntarily extended if they put me into a unit that was going back to Iraq," he said. "Why not just let me finish what I signed up for? It's a shame a policy like this exists. We're supposed to be a volunteer Army," he said. Army human resources officials responded to the soldiers' charges last week, saying that it is unlikely that those with less than 12 months of their obligation remaining would be sent to Iraq. But the soldiers say that contradicts what the recruiters continue to tell them. Extending a soldier's active duty is within Army authority. The enlistment contract carries an eight-year obligation, even if a soldier signs for only three or four years of active duty. But the Army has rarely forced soldiers to stay beyond their active duty enlistment contracts, said one Vietnam-era veteran who accompanied DeGette Monday. "I've never seen anything like this," said Ron Cole, a Navy pilot during the Vietnam war. DeGette believes the Army is facing troop shortages and resorting to severe measures to retain soldiers. "They're having problems meeting recruitment goals and they're putting this hammer over their heads, which is just wrong," said DeGette. On Monday, The New York Times reported that the National Guard recruitment is expected to fall short of its annual recruiting quota for the first time since 1994, almost 10 percent below its goal of 56,000 recruits. Swanson said that the active duty Army is "incredibly short of soldiers." "The Army Times keeps saying there's not enough soldiers for this, there's not enough soldiers for that, and there's a lot of people who want to get out. I mean we're in the middle of a war, for God's sake," he said. DeGette said she has heard anecdotally from Congress members that pressure is being exerted at other military posts. "The question remains: How widespread is this? How deep does it go into the Pentagon? How far does it go up to the Oval Office? "We need to look into this and make sure we cherish and respect our fighting men and women," DeGette said.

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baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	and if they do re-enlist they won't go to Iraq?

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Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	no worries, if needed 12clicks and boobmaster will enlist and serve for their countries

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ironlung Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: nofx, florida Posts: 1,012	lol impressment-\Im*press"ment\, n. The act of seizing for public use, or of impressing into public service; compulsion to serve; as, the impressment of provisions or of sailors yea i heard that to, i for sure believe it

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Mr Pheer So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 21,582	This doesnt surprise me. I was told that if I didnt re-enlist, I would have to stay in Korea until my current enlistment was over. A normal tour in Korea is 1 year, they told me this 7 months into my 1 year that if i did not reenlist, i'd be there for 12 more months, total of 19 months. I told them thats fine because I'm saving almost 90% of my paychecks plus I had a girlfriend from Romania that was there also, didnt bother me at all. The very next month I had orders to go to Ft Rucker, Alabama when my 1 year was up, so the reenlistment NCO was just trying to pull whatever bullshit he could to get me to sign the papers, and I'm sure that is exactly what is going on now in Ft Carson.