Im glad you started this thread its what I have been thinking every time I see one of those "shocking news about first generation 2nd generation" etc threads.
Whats so shocking? you fuck multiple partners sans protection, you get HIV. Its not shocking its what happens.
Even more amusing is all those that think this will be "BIG NEWS" to mainstream. Mainstream could care less.

it is big news. tv magazines, newspapers, radio talk shows and the like are all running stories on this. what you think all this discussion came up because an "adult insider" decided to post some "industry shattering information" on GFY?

assholes read the headlines and come post here. hence the 728345781249 posts regarding this issue.

i agree with steve. i hate to see anyone suffer.

What's being kicked out at a "young age?" I'm hoping, since you say they go there and get into porn, you mean 18 or so. Is 18 not old enough to get a job and a modest place to live? I have no sympathy there either, as I was kicked out at 17, while pregnant.

Alright, I can't say that I have absolutely NO shred of sympathy for the people that fuck unprotected on a daily, weekly, monthly basis.
The ones that would get more of my sympathy are those that do it once, have huge regrets, learn from their mistake and never do it again, only to find that the one time resulted in infection.

I'm glad to see that you are not totally devoid of compassion.

Just because you had the strength to survive the ordeal of getting thrown out of home while a teenager does not mean that every person has the same inner strength or can cope in the way you did.

We each cope with life's challenges as we are equipped to - and just because someone reacts differently to life's challenges than you or I does not mean that they are unworthy of our compassion.

there's no business like show business. like no business i know.

we got us a conundrum. we say:

porn isn't like it used to be! there's no mob! no pimps! it's happier and cleaner! the girls love to fuck! they make mega dollars! whoo hoo!

but then how many of us would actually fuck on camera for a living? we say, we'd never do that. we're better than that. only junkie whores do that.

it can't be both ways.

as ive said, until youve seen an 18 year old cry after her first anal scene sometimes you need to think about things.

im not here to speculate or judge, why do you seem to put yourself in that position, why do you want to judge someone else? leave it be. this is THEIR DEATH THEY MUST SUFFER, and why rub it in?

the punishment has been handed out before the sentence, why carry it further? do you even grasp that?

youve never even been to la, yet you feel informed enough to speak about things that exist here. not right

This thread was started mainly to point out simple facts regarding prevention of HIV, false securities and that people that make bad choices have to deal with them.

As you feel the right to feel sorry for them, I feel I have a right to not feel sorry for them.

I've expressed facts. I've expressed opinions. You've expressed opinions... some I agree with, some I don't. The ones I don't agree with, I feel compelled to explain why my opinion is different, as to offer a different view on the matter. Nothing more. Nothing less.

its easy to look the other way when it isnt looking you in the face.

I brought up the fact that I was kicked out at 17, because getting kicked out young is not an excuse to throw your life away (which is essentially what these people are doing when they do high risk scenes). Regardless of age or situation, everyone has the ability to make choices, good or bad. We all make bad choices at points in our lives, but it's really stupid to make them over and over again. I have very little tolerance of stupid people.... greedy people... junkies...

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This thread bugged me all day. Call me a prude or a non-compassionate porn pusher. (BTW, I really don?t promote hardcore). I never could understand why a male or female could fuck for money with the risks of getting AIDS or other diseases not caring about prevention but just about the money they can make.

Some say these girls get kicked out of their homes with a bus ticket to porn city capital of America. I don?t buy it unless they live in that city. Every city in the U.S., has red light districts which are not hard to get jobs and make enough money for a sleazy hotel room to call home and spend the extra dollars on whatever.

Yes, I feel sorry for anyone who is HIV positive just like anyone who has cancer or another disease; however, my compassion level really drops for the people who could have prevented their illness.

Sad but working in a job with no education pays you about 60 dollars a day and to fuck with strangers for four hours of work pays you 600 dollars with a lot of risks. It is their choice.

Done with my rant, but people really have choices.

lest ye walk in thy shoes then thee knoweth not what i am.

see everyone of you in hell.

Looking forward to meeting you.

btw, check your email

i have nothing to do with my sig other than i sold it. html is provided to me, i simply cut and paste it... any mispelling on a site you click from my sig has nothing to do with me sugar,...

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You ought to tell them to spellcheck the whole site then, I saw more typos after I sent that.

maybe recent events will change things, i think we will see more condom shoots for a wile, but eventually it will just go back to how it is now :2 cents:

you seem to like to be in a position to tell others what to do.

what do i care?

i have NOTHING to do with their site, why should I be on the look out? i really cannot care any less what typos they have.

email KRL and tell him the same since he is flying their sig too.

i have nothing to do with their operation nor am i a sig correcting surfer ;)

all i care about is wrapping up my wotrk, posting a little tonight, having some beers and chilling, fuck all the lagniappe.

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No need to be an ass about it. Your name was on the banner, I figured it was your site. I was just trying to be nice and emailed you rather than posting it on the board. I was attempting to let you know privately, seeing that you're a designer, I didn't want to do anything to make you look bad for potential clients.

Geez... see where trying to be nice gets me???

i swear i wish my voice wouldnt come across this way and this is why i hate boards.

on the phone with Shemp not long ago, we joked about boards. please donmt think im being an ass towards you, im not, if i was, youd REALLY know it, im an asshole when i want to be, ;)

cheers



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and no, DieselAction is not mine... simply an advertiser.

Lens doesnt chase down folks with typos, nor will i.

could be language barriers too, i dont know if they are american or not, thats one to consider.

Some people see you as being nice. Fletch XXX has seen more stuff in his young age than the worlds oldest man. :glugglug

So I will say it. ANYONE who fucks a stranger without a protection is a fool even if they have papers. :)

That's my main point here... I just have difficulty putting it into one sentence... lol :winkwink:

Sorry, that's how it struck me.

Oh well. Cheers.
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Its only big news to us, walk out of your house go downtown in detroit and ask any average person walking down the dtreet who these people are. The average Joe doesnt no and doesnt care.

I do feel sympathy for these guys and gals, so please dont take my post to mean that I dont.

After thinking about this all last night, I feel I must post. Orgasmics, just because you had a tough childhood does not make you better than anyone else!

Like you, I was kicked out at a young age. No, I was not pregnant BUT I was much younger than you; I was 14. Were you homeless? I was, for months, and too young to get a job. Even when you are old enough to get a job, most places (including McDonald's) won't hire you if you don't have a phone number. You can't rent a hotel or an apartment legally when under 18 either. Some of these girls who turn 18 and start doing porn may have been hooking on the street and see porn as a step up. I know strippers who started stripping when they were underage and who knows how many were hooking (since nobody asks for ID). Keep in mind, when you're a minor you have a lot less options. Their lifestyle "choice" may have been from a survival standpoint and not their desired occupation. You don't know the individual circumstances for everyone else.

You and I must both have very strong personalities to have survived through our shitty childhoods. It's wonderful that both of us have turned out so healthy, considering. But for you to act superior because you are a surviver is total bullshit. I'm a survivor too, but I'm also intelligent enough to know that even my own sisters wouldn't have been able to survive what I've lived through.

Hold up.... I never said I was better than anyone else. Yes, I believe I made better decisions.

I'm in no way trying to down anyone for doing porn, but I AM downing people that choose to fuck without a condom, knowing the risks, then tring to play the poor pitiful me game.

I do believe some of these girls are there because of bad situations, but they still have the ability to choose to protect themselves. Anyone that says they didn't know any better is full of shit... and this is why I believe there should be mandatory education about condoms, testing, risks and statistics before ANYONE is allowed to do scenes without a condom.

I'm just trying to bring up some facts here and add some insight, NOT TRYING TO ACT SUPERIOR... :321GFY

I'll say it once again, since you apparently neglected to read through the facts before making assumptions.

I brought up the fact that I was kicked out at 17 only after someone defended these girls because they were kicked out young. I didn't bring it up to be "superior" but to merely state that it's not an excuse to go fuck guys everyday without wearing a condom.

Let's all use a condom, have safe sex, and close this damn thread.

http://www.neiu.edu/~ncaftori/gif/SafeSex.gif

lol. the average person in downtown detroit barely knows their own name. very few of them are likely to read a newspaper, or watch a news magazine, or be up on anything current.

but the information is making headlines. just because the "below average joe" does not retain the information, does not mean it is not "big news" to mainstream.

that is all i was saying. i dont care if mainstream readers care about porn, all i was saying is, as of right now, it is up in everyone's face.

I used Detroit as an example because thats where your name says you are from, But its the same anywhere. Its Not MAKING HEADLINES, if I didnt read GFY I wouldnt no anything about and I read two newspapers a day and listen to the radio all day. No one is taking about it except for people in porn and those in LA living close to the situation.

I think whats called for here is a little perspective.
The millions of children born everyday into poverty so severe they will not live beyond 13 because of malnutrition is a tragedy. The 100's of women every year that Are Forced into slavery is a tragedy. People that catch fatal dieses through no fault of there own just a shitty draw of the cards is a tragedy. The 300 children born annulay with HIV is a tragedy.

40,000 people in the US contract hiv annualy. How could you possible believe this one instance stands out in anyones mind more than the other 39,9999?

Thank you but I *did* read this whole thread more than once before posting. I'm not trying to start a personal war with you, I'm just trying to bring reality back into the equation.

Both you and I survived our shitty childhoods without doing porn. Is that correct? That's great for us, but just because we were able to do it does NOT make us any better than anyone who had to. I've been lucky, so have you...

Without knowing the circumstances for everyone else, we cannot honestly say that we would have made different choices. I'm a stickler for safe sex and can't imagine ever having unprotected sex outside of a serious relationship.

Think about all the possible "What if" scenereos. What if I were an 18 years old single mom living day-to-day in a seedy motel with a 2 year old baby to take care of, maybe I would do unprotected sex porn to have money to feed my child. I'm sure the production companies assure their talent that the testing makes them safe and most mothers would give their own lives to save their child's. Many people will also sacrifice their future lives for a better present life.

I tried to add this but the 5 minutes allowed for editing was over:

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Many people will also sacrifice their future lives for a better present life. Nobody expects to die. Nobody deserves to die for doing a job they were total is safe. Most porn production companies DO tell their talent that the testing will keep them safe from catching HIV. When you're young, you're much more naive and more likely to believe people. With how few HIV cases there have been in the porn community it totally makes sense that young new talent would believe what they're told.

Michelle, your point about prevention of HIV is valid, yes.... but this issue is also about the laws of supply and demand. The demand for bareback porn has always far outweighed the demand for condom porn. Don't shoot me here, that's just the way it is, as any large porn production/distribution company would confirm.

Since bareback porn isn't going anywhere, the strict testing that should be in place really is the only line of defense the industry has. Had the people in this case been using condoms they may have saved lives, yes..... but there is also the question of who wasn't properly tested as well.


I think that some strictly enforced rules need to be in place. One might be that if a performer works "bareback" once, then they have to work in "condom-only" for several weeks until they can get their next reliable test results back. Then they get the green light to work in bareback again. Those that go work in high-risk countries should be put in quarrantine upon their return home, for at least a month, after which they get..... you guessed it... TESTED.

It's not the end-all be-all answer, but it is at least something. It's at least something more than what is in place now. Both production and performers need to start fucking CARING about each other (and the industry as whole), and making sure strict guidelines are enforced 100%, not just some of the time.

Once again, I'm not saying I'm better than anyone, just that being kicked out young is NOT AN EXCUSE to go out and do a bunch of porn shoots with strangers, without protection.

Your "what if" comment. I WAS a single Mom, I wasn't living in a hotel, but the only place I could afford was a roach infested apartment building, where my son and I were the only white people. I starved so he could eat. I worked my ass off to get us out of there and didn't sell my life to do it.

So, once again, my point being... everyone has choices. Everyone has to deal with the consequences... good or bad.

It would only take someone a few minutes of research to find that clear tests are not anywhere near a guarantee.

I totally understand supply and demand. But anyone that takes extra money to risk their lives... they aren't getting my pity.

And here we go again.... back to the testing issue. Quarantine for a month is NOT enough. In many cases, it takes over a month to test positive, even though it can still be transmitted to others. This is why testing is such a small piece of the solution. Testing isn't reliable... not when Joe can fuck an infected chick in March and test negative in April, May, June, July.... during all those months, he's infecting people.

Back to the demand. While there is demand, of course, there are going to be people that are willing to take the risk. But with that risk and extra cash, there may be a price to pay. They need to be ready to pay the price if and when that time comes... and they do not deserve to be declared an innocent victim.