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Old 04-17-2004, 02:31 AM   #101
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100 retarded religious fuckers

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did you not read what I said???
Did you not read the link that I posted, it's hahahahahan in english, maybe you just can't comprehend the facts....I don't know.

Now back to my original question, can you prove to me that there is a god?

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Old 04-17-2004, 02:32 AM   #102
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I can't say I fully understand your reply... plz show me where have gone wrong
Ok..sorry.

Basically, my thought is this...if you don't believe in 100% of what the bible says and teachs..the rules set out by it...then you are proving that the bible was written by man for their own agenda. Because if the rules were set out by God, they should be followed 100%.
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Old 04-17-2004, 02:34 AM   #103
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I have heard and read the complete opposite. Even discussed this with a guy I know who studied religion in college.

I thought the belief was that the New Testament was written by the Romans to put the fear of God in people to do what they wanted. Isn't the New Testament much more brim and hellstone type shit? Is God really that mean of a guy?
brim and hellstone??? New Testament? I think you have your testaments mixed up...

NT comes down to this:
If you believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who has died for our sins you are saved.
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I think the part you mean is Revelation, and yes it's very ugly what will happen to this world, that's why I will not be around by that time. Actually there is a very good book about it called "the end of times" written by Jerry B. Jenkins and Tim De LaHay... if you want I can send you a copy.
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Old 04-17-2004, 02:36 AM   #104
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But the Bible is still the Bible and most people quote from it and live their lives by it. So if the Bible says if you commit adultery, you must be sentenced to death...then you must....because you can't believe one thing God says but not another. If he set that rule, it is a rule to live by.
ummm no... if Congres accepts a certain law... and in 10 years they accept a new law that says the other law is not of this time anymore and should not be applied, which law counts then?

exactly
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Ok..sorry.

Basically, my thought is this...if you don't believe in 100% of what the bible says and teachs..the rules set out by it...then you are proving that the bible was written by man for their own agenda. Because if the rules were set out by God, they should be followed 100%.
I understand your thought but you must also understand that the Bible contains thousands of years of events... something that is said 10,000 BC can be different by certain events 10 AC... like the example I gave you before about the laws
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ummm no... if Congres accepts a certain law... and in 10 years they accept a new law that says the other law is not of this time anymore and should not be applied, which law counts then?

exactly
So you are now comparing God and congress? Wooo. Weird comparison.

So God set laws or God set rules to live by?

God said if you commit adulterly, you are sentenced to death. He changed his mind?

God said women were unpure doing menstration and can't be in a church for up to 2 weeks after they stop...so they can become pure again. Did God all of a sudden decide later that women were not lesser of creatures of men? Did he suddenly realized HE created women and made them menstrate..so it is a completely natural, heathly, pure thing?
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Old 04-17-2004, 02:41 AM   #107
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Did you not read the link that I posted, it's hahahahahan in english, maybe you just can't comprehend the facts....I don't know.

Now back to my original question, can you prove to me that there is a god?
I am retarded becoz of my believe? Kind of short-sided don't you think?

I did read the link yes, but there's no such thing as 100% proof that evolution is the thing that happened. It's just a theory like there a thousands of theories.

Raeliens (dunno if i spelled it right) have the theory that we descent from aliens who have cloned themselves and left us on this planet... does that mean it is true becoz it is a theory?

Many scientists have tried to accomplish fool-proof evidence to support evolution but most of them converted to Christianity becoz they experienced first-hand that evolution could have never happened.
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Old 04-17-2004, 02:41 AM   #108
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I understand your thought but you must also understand that the Bible contains thousands of years of events... something that is said 10,000 BC can be different by certain events 10 AC... like the example I gave you before about the laws
Also...God thought it was Ok for people to kill each at one point for committed adultery? That is pretty harsh for a compassionate, caring guy.
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I am retarded becoz of my believe? Kind of short-sided don't you think?

I did read the link yes, but there's no such thing as 100% proof that evolution is the thing that happened. It's just a theory like there a thousands of theories.

Raeliens (dunno if i spelled it right) have the theory that we descent from aliens who have cloned themselves and left us on this planet... does that mean it is true becoz it is a theory?

Many scientists have tried to accomplish fool-proof evidence to support evolution but most of them converted to Christianity becoz they experienced first-hand that evolution could have never happened.
You have still not answered my question, could you please quit beeting around the bush.


CAN YOU PROVE TO ME THAT THERE IS A GOD? YES OR NO IT'S A SIMPLE QUESTION
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Old 04-17-2004, 02:45 AM   #110
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So you are now comparing God and congress? Wooo. Weird comparison.

So God set laws or God set rules to live by?

God said if you commit adulterly, you are sentenced to death. He changed his mind?

God said women were unpure doing menstration and can't be in a church for up to 2 weeks after they stop...so they can become pure again. Did God all of a sudden decide later that women were not lesser of creatures of men? Did he suddenly realized HE created women and made them menstrate..so it is a completely natural, heathly, pure thing?
I just used this comparison to clearify what I mean... I am not comparing God to the Congres I just used it coz it makes it easier to explain.

Again you're using quotes out of the Old Testament. As I said before the Old Testament is of less value coz the real important thing is the New Testament... Jesus Christ.

I'm going out for a while now... leave all your questions, replies, remarks here and I'll answer them when I come back
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I just used this comparison to clearify what I mean... I am not comparing God to the Congres I just used it coz it makes it easier to explain.

Again you're using quotes out of the Old Testament. As I said before the Old Testament is of less value coz the real important thing is the New Testament... Jesus Christ.

I'm going out for a while now... leave all your questions, replies, remarks here and I'll answer them when I come back
Less, but still some is sounds like.

So how can some of Gods words be correct and some wrong? Or is the Old Testament a book written by man for their own agenda?

See, this is where I get lost with religious people. I don't understand their reasoning. "Oh, God didn't mean that". Oh, that part isn't right in the bible and isn't followed anymore". "Only some of this book is actually valid".

So how do you know what is valid and what is not valid? How can some of a book be believed in but not the whole thing?

And I am shocked you would use Jesus's name in vain like that.
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This conversation is absolutely useless ( as any conversation between atheists and religous people ) as one believes with his heart and another one - with his mind.

However, I should note that it's always been the religious people who wanted to force their believes on others - the original post of this thread is a great example of it.
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you want to see god? look in the mirror, we are our own gods and our destiny is what we make of it...there is no all mighty being controlling everything, and if you think there is and can prove it bring it on, if not SHUT THE FUCK UP
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Old 04-17-2004, 03:11 AM   #114
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<h2>WHOA WAIT A MIN!!</h2>

How come the bible has nothing about dinosaurs. Genesis says God created man on the 7th day or something right? Where the fuck are the dinosaurs!? We know they exist right?
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No. DUMBASS. proving a NEGATIVE is fucking impossible.


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It is eayer to prove there isnt there then you can there is ,
NO one person here ever saw him talk to him eat dinner with him .
and all you GOD people here my fucking god you are doing every sin you are not to do ,
Oh ya i forgot , when your about to die you are to ask oh PLEASE FORGIVE and and save me

WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT that is , that means i can go and kill 100 people and right before i kill my self say oh load oh GOD I am sorry PLEASE FORGIVE ME and take me BACK DEAR LORD and he will
PLEASE WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU JOKING , NOT ME THAT IS FOR SURE SO STOP FEEDING YOURSELF SUCH A LINE A SHIT
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How come the bible has nothing about dinosaurs. Genesis says God created man on the 7th day or something right? Where the fuck are the dinosaurs!? We know they exist right?
When the bible was written the dinasours had long been extinct and there was no proof of the existance of them at the time, so they were left out of it. Otherwise who knows what they would have been called, probably somthing like the plague of the monsterous beasts set out by god to punish the non believers or some other made up bullshit......
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so,
we have a tgp SLUT defending god.
Isn't that a blasphemy you sheep ?
what the fuck are you doing here and why aren't you
praying for your sins ?
Theres no such thing has half belief.

Is god a porn star ?
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hehe, a pornographer touting the virtues of morality. funny.
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hehe, a pornographer touting the virtues of morality. funny.

heheh, a retard trying to be witty. How quaint.
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Quick history lesson:
Where did most jurisprudential (LEGAL) systems arise from ...
you guessed it.... RELIGION.


May be you remember where did ALL the wars arise from (even the recent one when Christians blame Moslem and call them babrabians)???
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Less, but still some is sounds like.

So how can some of Gods words be correct and some wrong? Or is the Old Testament a book written by man for their own agenda?

See, this is where I get lost with religious people. I don't understand their reasoning. "Oh, God didn't mean that". Oh, that part isn't right in the bible and isn't followed anymore". "Only some of this book is actually valid".

So how do you know what is valid and what is not valid? How can some of a book be believed in but not the whole thing?

And I am shocked you would use Jesus's name in vain like that.
ehm sorry? I used his name in vain??? I think that'll be the last thing you would see me do...
I guess you are referring to this sentence:
"As I said before the Old Testament is of less value coz the real important thing is the New Testament... Jesus Christ."

probably my bad but I was pointing out that the important thing is the New Testament... which boils down to Jesus Christ.

I can understand ppl get confused by the reasoning of religious ppl. The main problem in it is that everyone has his/her own opinion and this will cause for differences even in the own religion.

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This conversation is absolutely useless ( as any conversation between atheists and religous people ) as one believes with his heart and another one - with his mind.

However, I should note that it's always been the religious people who wanted to force their believes on others - the original post of this thread is a great example of it.
you are quite right, these discussions are pretty usefull... but if I would only make 1 soul even think about what he/she is doing with his/her life that would make it worth it.

I realize there are so much ppl trying to force their believes on one another but that is certainly not what I'm aiming at.
I just want to make sure everyone gets the facts straight becoz there are so much arguements used with nothing behind it to back it up.

whether anyone believes or not is not up to me, it is their own choice
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you want to see god? look in the mirror, we are our own gods and our destiny is what we make of it...there is no all mighty being controlling everything, and if you think there is and can prove it bring it on, if not SHUT THE FUCK UP
if you would only give me the time, are you in a hurry or what???

your babbling about we are our own gods is something new age I believe... do with it whatever you want but it's crap as far as I'm concerned.

But you're right on one thing... if you want to see God's work look in the mirror... do some research how our body works... look at the environment, the laugh on the face of a child. I see God's work everywhere around us.
If you believe the world we live in and the universe surrounding it is all caused by a mere explosion please do so
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use Google, ever heard of it? Wonderfull tool that let's you search anything you want to.
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so,
we have a tgp SLUT defending god.
Isn't that a blasphemy you sheep ?
what the fuck are you doing here and why aren't you
praying for your sins ?
Theres no such thing has half belief.

Is god a porn star ?
nice try... now crawl back to your mommy for a bottle of milk
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if it irritates you that much stop reading it, simple solution.
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use Google, ever heard of it? Wonderfull tool that let's you search anything you want to.
So you can't name any?

Thats what I thought.
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a lot of weak minded people use religion as a crutch to get through life.

and how many wars have been started in the name of religion?
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So you can't name any?

Thats what I thought.
If you want I could put some time in it and dig up a dozen of names for ya, you think it's weird that I can't name them off the top of my head???
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and how many wars have been started in the name of religion?
wow you thought of that all by yourself? You're about the 10th person to bring up religious wars...
I agree, war is not good for any cause! And Christianity does not support any wars... Catholics do (I was raised Catholic but became Christian). So get over it... a lot of wars were started over women and money... should we banish those from our lives too???
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nice try... now crawl back to your mommy for a bottle of milk
stop avoiding what you don't like sheep.
now go suck god's dick.
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I do respect people who believe, but it just ain't my thing.

They tried to brainwash me in school (damn catholic schools hehe) but it didn't work
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stop avoiding what you don't like sheep.
now go suck god's dick.
I'm not avoiding what you say but if you said anything usefull I would have replied with an usefull answer.
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Old 04-17-2004, 07:38 AM   #137
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I'm not avoiding what you say but if you said anything usefull I would have replied with an usefull answer.
How come you're flooding this thread with bullshit answers then ?
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Old 04-17-2004, 08:11 AM   #138
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How come you're flooding this thread with bullshit answers then ?
Look if you really wanna have a serious discussion with me I'm open to it... otherwise go play with your Lego or something.
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Old 04-17-2004, 10:05 AM   #139
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So I am a pussy because I don't believe in God? LOL! That is the worst analogy I have ever heard...so I will throw one back at you.

People who believe in God or follow a religion are pussies because they need something to live for. They need someone to tell them what to do, how to live, etc... So many religious people use religion to fall back on for anything they do wrong, because God will forgive them..instead of standing up and taking blame themselves. For so many if they didn't have religion, they wouldn't know how to live their own lives.

One reason I don't believe in God is because of this belief. I believe that if you are going to believe in something (Bible), you have to believe 100% of it. So much in the bible is fucked up shit.

1. Commit adultery and you are punished by death, according to the bible and from Gods words. So why don't so called religious people follow this...it is Gods word from the bible.

2. Some dude (forgot his name) sacrificed his only daughter to God, and he accepted the sacrifice. What the fuck is that about? I am not going to belive in a God who wants something like that.

So much more about the bible is so really fucked up shit, if you really read about it.

God did not create Adam and Eve. There was something called Evolution. If you believe in Evolution, then the Bible is quickly falsified...thus, God was a made up character in some book.

God and the Bible was created to keep civilians down when they started to gain too much power...that is believed by my historians, including some bibical historians.

So call me a pussy...but you are the pussy because you need to believe and be told how to live your life.

I agree. the only reason religion was created was to unite the savage tribes of maniacs and establish control. when you read the bible it is clear how fake and made up everything is.

When you start with how the earth was created and you go on and on through each story of to called creation, you have to be a completely illogical idiot to believe a word or anything in any religion.

Also from the bible, some so called "scholars" have "calculated" the exact date, the world was created from void

HOW fucked up is that?

when one reads and learns about evolution of species and looks at fossil records they completely discredit the bullshit in any religion.

It's not a surprise that people can blow themselves up in the name of religion when you see how many stupid people there are even on this forum and on this thread who "believe"

what do you believe in? does anyone really care that you believe?

what do you believers get out of this? answer from the bible is: a person must believe even if there is nothing to affirm his belief, it's for one's self.

and of course you look at all the modified versions of the bible, it's like a program that is getting new versions to best accomodate the new software demand - or environment.

and in the end, to summarize all this shit and completely brainwash all the weak minded cowards it is said that the creation date and all the dogmas and religion and the bible should not be taken so literally.

In all it's a bunch of bullshit, a mystical tale of beautiful bullshit used to calm down idiots who can't accept that after you're dead, there's nothing. NOTHING

weak pieces of shit
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Old 04-17-2004, 10:30 AM   #140
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we "freaks" are so paranoind about cloning becoz we believe it is wrong, we are in no position to create or destroy life. The mere fact that someone could accomplish this proves nothing.
cloning will cure diseases and allow someone you love to survive if something like that happens.

cloning should be done at must be done ASAP
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Old 04-17-2004, 12:23 PM   #141
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wow you thought of that all by yourself? You're about the 10th person to bring up religious wars...
I agree, war is not good for any cause! And Christianity does not support any wars... Catholics do (I was raised Catholic but became Christian). So get over it... a lot of wars were started over women and money... should we banish those from our lives too???
For someone defending religion so much, you should be aware that "Christian" is a blanket term for all the religions that believe that Jesus Christ was the son of God. If you are Catholic, you're a Christian. You saying "I was raised Catholic but became Christian" makes no sense at all. On the same note, saying Catholics support wars but Christians do not is entirely invalid as well.
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Old 04-17-2004, 12:34 PM   #142
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The only reason Atheists can prescribe the end of religion is because they have the RULE OF LAW to lean back on. Without this factor, most atheists will LOOK REALLY HARD for something to believe in.........QUICK!


Quick history lesson:
Where did most jurisprudential (LEGAL) systems arise from ...
you guessed it.... RELIGION.


Although there maybe some dogmatic reverberations of religion (eg. Catholicism and poverty) on the whole, religion forms the moral bedrock where a health respect for rule of law can spring from.

Prove me wrong, fucktards!

Another quick history lesson. The majority of key points presented in most Christian religions can be traced back to other religions that pre-date Christianity by thousands of years. Christianity is like a melting pot of numerous religions.

Personally, I don't believe in God. However I think having faith can be a very good thing. As you stated, it does provide a moral backbone for some, and it gives a lot of people a reason to have hope and a reason to get up in the morning. However, I also believe that religion can be extremely dangerous when the words of other people are taken to be the unquestionale truth when they are said in the name of "God". Some so called "Pro-Lifers" murder doctors in the name of religion. But, some missionaries work with the poor in the name of religion as well. Just like anything else, there are positive and negative sides. It just varies from person to person.

Also, ending your post with "Prove me wrong, fucktards! " is part of what discredits anything you have to say on the topic, as well as helping to give so called "religious" people in general a bad name.

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Old 04-17-2004, 12:41 PM   #143
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Old 04-17-2004, 12:43 PM   #144
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<h2>WHOA WAIT A MIN!!</h2>

How come the bible has nothing about dinosaurs. Genesis says God created man on the 7th day or something right? Where the fuck are the dinosaurs!? We know they exist right?
Have you been listening to Bill Hicks lately? He does a bit about that, and even goes into a mock story about Jesus helping a dinosaur with someting stuck in his foot. Funny stuff, do a search on Kazaa for "Bill Hicks - Dinosaurs in the Bible" if you're interested.
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Old 04-17-2004, 12:48 PM   #145
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Atheists are just as retarded as the religious. To proclaim that you know that there is or isn't a God or whatever is just ignorant. Wise up and accept the fact that you don't know, you can't prove that there is a God, and you can't prove that there isn't a God.
I agree, some atheists are retarded.. however you're making an invalid assumption here. Not all Atheists say that there is absolutely no chance that there is a God. I'm not religious at all, so I suppose that lumps me in under the term "Atheist". However, I would never be so arrogant as to say I know for a fact that there is no chance there is a God. I'm only human, and I can always, always be wrong. That's why beliefs aren't called facts.
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Old 04-17-2004, 12:56 PM   #147
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Prove me god exists.
The burden of proof always lays on the believers, as I suppose it should. However, whenever this argument comes up I use the example of fire breathing dragons. I don't believe in fire breathing dragons, but I can't prove that there isn't any. How can one prove that something doesn't exisit? There are new species of insects, fish, etc discovered all the time... yet the week before they were discovered, it was impossible to prove they did, or did not exisit.
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If God does or doesnt exsits, who the fuck cares, I dont see any miraculous piles of $ appearing in my pockets w/o working for it.

I was saying in another post

"2,000 years of whisper down the lane"

A book to base a whole civilization written by man, thats why gay is wrong, according to the "good book," a large chunk of men being homophobe. If we followed what everyone told us ab out what is right and wrong.

God doesnt allow:
Equal Gender Rights
Sexual Preferences
Masturbation

Where would we all be w/o these?
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Old 04-17-2004, 01:32 PM   #149
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You are nothing but a parasite. All the political systems based on atheism are based on BRUTE FUCKING FORCE. Try living in Ho Chi Minh Vietnam and see how you make out.

Worthless turd.
Are you one of the dumbfucks who thinks the U.S. was founded and based on Christianity too?
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Atheists don't believe in God. But most atheists I know, including myself, don't proclaim their is no God...we don't believe there is.

So if you don't think there is a God, but you are open minded enough to listen to reason and be proven wrong...what does that make you if not an atheist?
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