Fuck what this whole world need is some fucking balance.

We need to get russia back up in here!

It´s clear that bush cant handle himself as the only big war nation in the world today.

Well im 100% sure bush will take the fall anyway this next voting.

And I can only pray that Kerr is not the same fucking war maniac as bush are.

Start taking care of your own country before sending your young men into death without reason.

So, that's a no to having any clue what this war is about. I'm not insulting you for wanting to join the military, I'm just attempting to suggest you read the warplan and know what you're signing up for before you do.

Here's the link again, remove the ",,,". Please please please read all 90 pages, and tell me you're still signing up to fight for these people. That's what you have to realize, you're not going to be defending your country, you're going to be fighting for the neo cons who are making your country less safe.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/Re...efenses.pdf,,,

You link is no good!
I know what the war is about, I agree, and I am signing up....personal opinion can't be changed...and before u rant on about how Americans are blah blah...I am not American, but I appreciate what this country has done for me, and I agree with it's military....and with most things. If my husband wouldn't have been sent to Germany in 2001, I would have been in Iraq by now! My best friend leaves in June and she's happy!

:thumbsup

The majority of Americans know what the war is about. It is you that does not get it.

BINGO!!:thumbsup

How I rant on about how Americans are blah blah? I love Americans, that's why I'm trying to help you see what your government is about. Read that report and then come back and tell me if you still think you knew what the war was about.

You know, some days I think it must be nice to be simple minded. Instead of reading what I've shown you, you decided to say that "the majority of Americans know what the war is about". Well when the war started, the majority of Americans thought Saddam was responsible for 9/11, so I'd have to respectfully disagree. Read the fucking 90 pages and then talk, until you have you are admittedly ignorant on the subject of what this war is about.

Scary thought.

I find it ironic that people put the burden of naming known al-quada terrorists in Iraq pre-war, how many people could have named any of the terrorists that were involved in the September 11th attacks, before 9/11? only the intelligence agencies evidently?

The same goes for Iraq pre-war? it is certain that the majority of Al-Quada came to Iraq <I>After</I> the war started, but some fled to Iraq after the safe-haven of operating in Afghanistan was removed by the war, it is unlikely Saddam would have done anything about it, or even cared?

I don't think anyone could predict if Iraq or it's neighbours would have became the next safe-haven for terrorists worldwide, however they would go anywhere that is not an friendly to the U.S.

Justification for a war? who knows, there were articles written years in advance about the taliban, time magazine wrote articles about the ban on music, destruction of culture by the taliban, the talibans destruction of the religious statues of other cultures, mistreatment of women etc, however when it became evident that Al-Quada was using Afghanistan as a refuge it was decided to take them out.

look who's jamming all his posts in on his lunch hour.:1orglaugh

It is old and I read it when it was first made public and is of little import to what is reality. The majority of Americans never believed that Saddam was responsible for 9/11. In response to a question that was polled they basically said that they would not put it past him.

lol, you don't even try to get in grown up conversations anymore, that's good of you. Thank you for not wasting too much of our time. Oh yeah, very good and funny post, as usual, you're accurate and on topic. :1orglaugh

How many generations of inbreeding does it actually take to make a specimen like yourself? You have 0 capacity for logic or independent thought, it's quite entertaining.

hurry up anon, lunch is almost ever.
wrap up with your "Im done with this thread" line and hustle yourself back to the fry-0-lator.:1orglaugh

Keep making stuff up, it really help you sound like you're right. :1orglaugh

If you really have read the report, it was clearly with very little comprehension. What's the point of the Iraq war, according to the neo cons (you know, the people who started it and are running it)??? I don't want to hear some ideological bullshit you made up to justify your support to yourself, use their words.

Iraq is a theater war to prove American dominance, Bush said it himself in his press conference, and it's spelled out in the report. This is just the start, by their own account. If you'll send your son to die so Rumsfeld can sit at home and beat off to his shock and awe "theater war", you're one twisted, sick fuck.

This applies directly to you...rehashing the same tired "rhetoric" that has already been presented by those far brighter than you are...and has been rebutted over and over by those far brighter than you are. You are as original and as independent as every other un-identifiable grain of sand on the beach of humanity.

umm, I've had 10 valid points in this thread, you've had 0. I'll be here all day, waiting for something at least somewhat valid to come out of your mouth. I suspect I'll be wasting my time. :helpme

you took the day off or got fired again?:1orglaugh

Notice 12dicks changing my name to be clever? WTF is bich? Is that like a razor blade?

yawn

I don't know what dream world you live in, but you're pretty damn pathetic. Your insults would be more effective if they were at least somewhat accurate or topical.

is this one of your great valid points, loser?

you moved to genius status with that kind of brain power.

no wonder you stay anon. With stupidity like that, you wouldn't want anyone pointing you out.:1orglaugh

Enlighten me what this war is about...

And dont tell me its about fighting terror.

So what is it about?

I'll tell you what 12dicks and pathfinder, I'll head to the gym for an hour or so, take that time to think of something smart or at least relevant to say. Ok, pathfinder do that, 12clicks, post another smilie face, we know that's all you're ever good for.

Oh Pathfinder, who here would you consider smarter than me? People who agree with you? 12dicks? Find an accurate online IQ test and I'll put up $1000 that says I can beat any republican pornographer. Last time I tested I scored 133.

yawn, pretending your something while staying anon doesn't make it so.

you wouldn't be so pathetic if you had any type of online business to show for all of your false bluster.

tell us again how your betters are all idiots.:1orglaugh

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Originally posted by Bich

I'd rather see Hussein in charge of Iraq than George Bush. Lesser of two evil's.
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Yes indeed...that statement alone...forever...separated him from those with a modicum of intelligence. He is forever branded as being...as some others have stated..."a moron".

translation: lunch break is over. back to my pathetic life.:1orglaugh




what are the odds he ever makes it back from the "gym" before 5:00pm:1orglaugh

You're really pathetic, keep hanging on to strings.

Yes that point is a good one, Saddam was doing a better job ruling Iraq than Bush is. Is that even debatable? And no, Ronnie, a smilie face and a foxnews logo isn't a debate.

If you have any comprehension skills at all, try to find out what's going on in Iraq right now. It's not a couple rebels like Bush tells you on TV, it's a fucking civil war Bush has started that's about to get way worse.

Some others? You do realize like 90% of people here disagree with you and consider Bush the worst President ever, right?

No it isn't. thats what makes you so laughable.

sure punk. where are you getting YOUR info? tinfoil hat again?

Saddam ruled by killing anyone, and everyone who he deemed a threat, killing or imprisoning families, down to uncles and cousins, public executions and by assassinating leaders who were apposed to him. so is this the sort of thing you suggest bush should do to maintain rule? thought not.

thinkgs are getting even worse down there...
I'm starting to think of a secound Vietnam war...:Oh crap

Exactly. What's your point? Do you deny that the situation in pre-war Iraq contributed to the instablity of the Middle East?

You're not making any sense. Now you're saying everyone was talking about stablity? Earlier you were ranting about how everyone was duped into the war by Bush's claims weapons of mass destruction.

While it is true that no wmd have been found, the perpetrator of the lie was Saddam, not Bush. Bush (and most of the rest of the world) fell for the lie. In a sense Saddam was brilliant, he could save some face and continue to maintain the illusion of a powerful Iraq simply by pretending that he might be hiding something. Unfortunately, he played the game little too well and waited too long to produce the evidence that he had dismantled his wmd programs.

This should be good. Lets look at it point by point...

Rich: Iraq wasn't a threat, Bush told you he was.

Iraq has been a threat since the first gulf war. Not a direct military threat mind you but a source of instability.

Saudi Arabia is a threat, Bush never mentions them.

While certain factions within Saudi Arabia are a threat, the Saudi state is not a threat. There is the argument that since they fund the export of Wahhabi Islam they are supporting radicals. However most of these radical factions within Saudi Arabia that threaten the US also oppose the governing Saud dynasty. You can't hold the actions of these groups against the state any more than you could the actions of FLQ against Canada.

Saudi's attack America.

Citizens of Saudi Arabia did attack the US. That does not mean that Saudi Arabia attacked the US.

Bush MOVES US TROOPS OUT OF SAUDIA ARAIBA.

The US presence in Saudi Arabia was causing problems for the Saudi government. Since the US is on friendly terms with the Saudi government why would it not move its troops?

The terrorist camps we should be worried about are left alone.

Which camps? The ones in Afghanistan?

You're fucking fearless leader is doing business with the people who attacked you and has for years.

Bush was doing business with the hijackers? Bush did business with Osama or Atef? Or are you implying that a whole family is guilty for the crimes of a single member?

He flies the Bin Ladens out of the country days after 9/11 when no one else could fly.

Given public anger at the Bin Laden name after 9/11 there was a good chance that innocent members of the family could have come to violence. I have heard the rumor they were flown out when nobody else could fly, I have also heard they left on 9/14 when the airports reopened.

He told everyone Saddam was related to terrorists and 9/11 and was going to sell them nukes, and invaded them.

Saddam had pledged $25,000 apiece for the families of each suicide bomber/martyr who attacked Israel. Whether or not this pledge was ever paid out, I honestly don't know.

It's a year later, all the facts are out in the open, and you're still sitting here looking around for ANY possible reason that you could have been right by supporting Bush.

Seems unlikely that all the facts are out in the open. I'd give it another 50 years for all the facts to be revealed. The WMD claims were incorrect, but the fact remains the invasion was a good thing.


You're right. There aren't two sides to every issue, there are two thousand. Its obvious that your narrow view of politics doesn't allow for the possiblity that rational thought can yield opinions different than yours. You are more willing to assume that those different views are the result of some shadowy conspiracy of brainwashers and puppeteers. The whole "wake up" schtick is a tired rhetoric.


Bush ruined the economy? Do you even understand why economies go up and down? Here are a few reasons for the recent decline in the US economy:

1. The stock market was severly over inflated during the dot-com bubble and related "irrational exuberance".
2. Decreases in communications/shipping costs have made offshoring more cost effective.
3. Rising commody prices in part due to China's booming economy
4. Various accounting scandals shook invester confidence

As for being unable to name a single thing he's done right, I can name two:
1. Invaded Afghanistan
2. Invaded Iraq


I only keep bringing it up because you keep dodging it. If you're so "enlightened" and the answer is so "obvious" why not just answer the question? The fact that you haven't would seem to imply that you can't.


Not at all. You've just been brainwashed to think that way.

:winkwink:

Try opening any news magazine... the economist, the new yorker, the atlantic, fucking even time or newsweek. Try anything besides 24 hour TV news networks and talk radio, and you may get some concept of the real world.

Good call. :1orglaugh

When you pay off your mortgage and car loans maybe your boss will let you out of the office during the afternoon to play squash like the big boys do. Shaving and not paying people who can't speak English can't be THAT hard.

still living in your deluded world?
comparing you leaving your one room apartment to me leaving my office is a bit childish.
Its also typical of an anon punk like yourself to talk about shaving.

Only thieves are anon, punk.:1orglaugh

You can tell us that there were several Al Qaeda operatives in Iraq with the support of Saddam before the U.S. invasion, yet you have a sudden lapse in memory and can't tel us WHO they were? How very Nixonian of you.

As for Abu Nidal:"The Abu Nidal Organization?named for its leader, a veteran Palestinian terrorist known by the nom de guerre Abu Nidal" He wasn't Al Qaeda!!

But the bottom line here is even after your hero Bush admitted there were NO ties between Saddam and Al Qaeda..you are proposing that there were? Yet you cannot give any specifics on your assumptions?

You fail logic 101!!

Um, yeah. those things are filled with the bullshit you spew.
how about you link to the article in any of them where they prove you right:

don't hate me because you're nothing, hate your self for it. :1orglaugh

Wow. Wow.

Are you completely unable to pick up sarcasm? I was laying it on pretty god damn thick. Obviously "middle east stability" was not and is still not the way Bush and co sold the war to you OR to other nations. Are you just some kid who started paying attention to the world last week or something?

What do you consider "most of the rest of the world"? If you think Australia, the UK, and Spain are "most of the rest of the world", well then, I don't even know what to say to that's so ridiculous. Not many nations fell for Bush's WMD lie, most had common sense and took a little more state in Hans Blitz that Colon Powell. Our 100 year old Prime Minster looked baby Bush in the eyes and told him to go fuck himself, and sent more troops to fight the real terrorists in Afghanistan.

You're so ass backwards I don't even know where to begin. Bush lied, you eat it up, and now you're saying is was Saddam and his administration on TV every day shouting about WMD? Shit maybe I should start watching Fox news, it sounds excellent.



The question is, why is the US on friendly terms with the Saudi's? The Saudi royal family has been proven to fund terrorism, if you don't know that then it's time to turn off clear channel. Bush wants troops in every nation in the world besides the one that perpetrated 9/11, yeah that makes great sense. Also don't forget that we 've always been at war with Eastasia. Eurasia has always been our ally.


No, the ones in Saudi Arabia that are still educating children to hate America. Please, turn off the TV and pick up a book or magazine.

Geez, I can't imagine where you heard that. Let me guess which one you're leaning towards believing... the one that contradicts the evidence but supports your party.


God dammit son, if you're going to do nothing but regurgitate CNN doublespeak, at least keep it to a minimum so I don't waste any more of my time explaining to you how you're a moron. At least 12dicks knows his place and doesn't try to actually say he's right about this. He just insults people to make himself feel like a big man, something the mustache doesn't cut it you know.

I know you're just going to go away, turn on the TV and think I'm wrong, maybe post something like "you are" or "you're talking about yourself" as you guys seem so fond of doing. Sad.