To die for what? Freedom isn't free or some other bullshit catch-phrase just doesn't cut it with people who have a 3 digit IQ. My son isn't going to die for Dick Cheney's stock portfolio and Paul Wolfowitz's nutjob vision of America taking over the world.

Move to Iraq then.....I hear housing is going at a discounted price these days.

You wil never change my mind Rich....

That is the difference I believe in one thng and you in another...

See that is what makes America so great. You can have different opinions and still state them without the fear of being killed....

Try that in the middle east.....

"Freedom isn't free", isn't a catchphrase moron, it's the truth.

Answer my chemotherapy question. Your previous dodge doesn't cut it. Explain why its not a valid analogy.


Oh, so ok to have different opinions, as long as you have the right different opinions? How nice of you. All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others, eh?

If you can accept that "brainwashing" is possible you must accept the fact that it is possible that you are the one that is brainwashed. After all, if you were brainwashed how could you tell? It practically goes without saying that you'd be brainwashed to think that other people are really the ones who are brainwashed. Creates a bit of a logical problem doesn't it?

Personally I find anyone who mentions brainwashing as frequently as a born-again-Christian mentions Jesus rather pathetic. It seems to illustrate a fundamental inability to accept dissent, which is a very sad and dangerous thing.

Been reading too many conspiracy theories lately? :)

Well I say 670 soldiers are ALOT when they are fighting a lie!

Bush said saddam had nukes and thats why he wanted to go in there in the first place...

They found 0 nukes = they went in there for no reason what so ever!

They started soemthing I dont see them finish and alot of people died without any reason.

And I say I think if the cowboy bush takes his troops out of there and let the UN take over the iraq people will be much more willing to cooperate.

They are not ready for the american style and eat burger and drink coke.

ah, UN peace force with no US troops
that usually doesn't out good at all - ask the people in Bosnia

Well I think the people of iraq got less hate for the europeans.

I think after the american forces attaced a moske a few days back the fucked up bad.

I think they need to leave now and kind of play "bad cop leave" good coop enters if ya know what I mean.

I highly doubt that much sleep was lost by Americans fearing Saddam was going to attack them directly. However after ten years of sanctions, inspections, game-playing, run-arounds, rhetoric, etc. Iraq had become a pariah. This contributed to the instability in the Middle East.

Unfortunately, a significant portion of the energy needs of the US
come from the Middle East. Instability could threaten that supply of engery, which in turn would ripple out to affect the economy and jobs.

That threat of instablity, particularly since the first gulf war, has kept a sizable US military presence in the region. The removal of that military presence (particularly from Saudi Arabia) is one of Osama bin Laden's stated goals. Hence Iraq's connection to terrorism.

Don't forget Rwanda.

OK, guys with machine guns are holding up in a Mosque. Killing US troops.

We should not shoot at them because they are in a Mosque?

I'm not saying I dont want my friends the hell out of that lousy shithole. I dont give a rat's ass about Iraq, or anywhere else in the Middle East. I didn't want US troops in Bosnia, either. Not a big fan of being the cop of the World.

But they are there, so let them do what they are trained to do.

UN troops shooting at guys in a Mosque wont be popular either. So why not be happy the US will take the heat, instead of bashing on them?

One of the italian hostages where killed tonight :(

We would not have any heat in the first place if not bush walked into iraq for no reason.

But I just heard on the news the support for bush are decreasing so I pray he will be gone soon.

Maby Kerr will be less of a world cop.

Kerry will just conduct himself like the pussy he is.

fuck all sympathizers.

Well maby he will listen to people?

Is that bad?

Bush aint nothing but a puppet doing whatever his advicers tell him to do himself.

Only thing is that maby Kerr´s advicers are less haters ;)

Is that right?

Ever hear of Alan Berg?

that guy was murdered by skinheads

it's not like the town stormed his radio staion and burned him for his views

You keep talking about sympathizers... sympathizers of what? WTF are you blabbing about?

Yeah that's exactly the way you guys were talking a year ago, and that's exactly the way it was (and still is) sold to the American public. :helpme

No one cared about the "red flag in the form of a mushroom cloud" statement, everyone was talking about stability in the area. Do you ever listen to yourself? You'll never accept that you were completely and totally fooled, but it's not complicated to the rest of the world.

Want to know how I can tell it's you that's brainwashed and not me?

Iraq wasn't a threat, Bush told you he was.
Saudi Arabia is a threat, Bush never mentions them.
Saudi's attack America.
Bush MOVES US TROOPS OUT OF SAUDIA ARAIBA.
The terrorist camps we should be worried about are left alone.
You're fucking fearless leader is doing business with the people who attacked you and has for years.
He flies the Bin Ladens out of the country days after 9/11 when no one else could fly.
He told everyone Saddam was related to terrorists and 9/11 and was going to sell them nukes, and invaded them.
It's a year later, all the facts are out in the open, and you're still sitting here looking around for ANY possible reason that you could have been right by supporting Bush.

What simple minded people don't understand is that there isn't two sides to every issue. I know you've been taught to think of politics as a ball game, well wake the fuck up, it's not. You're wrong about this, and if you'd try to use common sense you'd get it. There's a wrong path for the world to be on, and this is it.

Bush is wrong about nearly everything.
He's been in power for 4 years and has ruined your economy, made the world hate you, made you more vulnerable to terrorists, you or any other sheep can't name a single God damn thing he's done right, yet you're sitting there BITCHING ABOUT A FUCKING STUPID CANCER METAPHOR.

That's how I know you're brainwashed.

Nothing will ever change in your mind, unless CNN tells you to change it. For example, compare your reasons for the war a year ago compared to your reasons today. Now compare your support of Bush then to now. You're not a very complicated person, any guy who shoots porn one day and then votes Aschroft in the next clearly doesn't have the equipment required for independent thought. Nothing personal, I hope that works out for you.



Unfortunately, you don't know you what you're supporting, and what you "believe in" is leading the entire world down a terrible path. Read the neocon report and tell me if you agree with their warpath. Anyone trying to debate a war who can't take the time to read 90 pages their government wrote about taking over the world is a waste of my time. So, basically, that covers everyone on this board who supports Bush.

Tell that to Muslims on 9/12.

The retards are in FULL BLOOM today.

Hey..look in the mirror..THAT is the internet assclown!
If a dumb newbie like yourself had ATTEMPTED to read the thread and the posts in questions (knowing that reading and comprehending are challenging for people like yourself), you would have seen that the WHOLE point was that only ONE person was GIVEN as opposed to "several" that kingie had been alledging. DUH DUH DUH dumbfuck.

Go back to your lemonade stand and continue making your chump change. You're gonna need it for the gum ball machine!

He lives in a world of pride and is willing to lose more lives for that sake.

Baaaah

He is realy perfect example for dumbass i realy can't image that he still thinking that he fight against the terror

I cannot remember the names of the other one or two that were linked to Iraq...as I do not necessarily committ to memory...everything that is input into my mind. Maybe someone else can remember.

But here is a name of a major terrorist that...as far as I know is not an al qaeda member...that was succored by Saddam and in fact he died in Iraq...in August of 2002.

Abu Nidal..."whose group has been blamed for attacks in more than 20 countries that have killed hundreds."

I am not here to educate the uncomprehending...from here on out if you care to be educated do the work yourself.

I will name two things that he has done that I compeletly approve of. His declaration of war on global terrorism. His doctrine of pre-emption. "DONE WELL" is subjective.

:Graucho :Graucho You just realised that he's the worst president ever?

what must be even nicer is to struggle all day at a meaningless dayjob and then get online at night and explain how the successful people in this business aren't as smart as you.:1orglaugh

That's what soldiers are for.. to die.. so all you fuckers that sit at your computers all day on your fat asses don't have to live in fear.. of terrorist attacks and high gas prices. (never mind the trillions of debt)

They are not an invincible army, there will be casulties, it's about sacrificing their lives for yours and the country's goals. (the govt tells us of the threats on our lives)

"Bring the boys back home" - Roger Waters.

Hitler did the same with his people...did that make what he did the right thing?

Some things that you spew never cease to amaze me....

Do you have IDIOT tattooed on your forehead? If not, send me your paypal addy so I can send you money to get that done...

This way everyone will know what they are surrounded by.

I'll send Rich the same donation too.

Funny, two Repubs come in with lame smart ass comments, but none even begin to address the points/questions laid out on the last page. Do I need to repeat myself, or are you guys only capable or reading and responding to one line insults?

Day job 12clicks? Things are looking pretty sad for you when you have to pull out that one before 10 am. :1orglaugh

:(

"Great point Rich, yes I've read the do-cu-ment, and..."

Not to mention, the 87 billion dollar question has yet to be even approached with more than, as expected, dribble about the war on terror making you feel safter. Come on guys, 12dlicks you're genius right? Shouldn't be too fucking hard to name one God damn thing Bush has done well. How about I'll make it even easier for you... he doesn't have to have done anything well, just name one thing he hasn't absolutely FUCKED UP.

I'm actually going into the military as an officer ...I don't have children, but if I did, YES I would let my sons or daughters go and fight for their country.
I have a 17 year old brother who wants to go, and eight of his friends have signed up!
Right now, I have both female and male friends there and they are glad they are there!
So hell yeah, I would send my children and myself there!

...and yet, you can't explain why. Army of One commercials to inciting? How is going to invade Iraq fighting for your country? You're fighting for the neo cons, at least PLEASE READ THE FUCKING REPORT I LINKED TO BEFORE WATCHING YOUR BROTHER GO OFF TO WAR.

You really are ignorant! I'm actually not going to waste my time fighting with u...do your reasearch...why do people join the military? Ass, I am married to a military man, I know what the military is about, and I am waiting to finish medical school to go in as an officer. So before u rant about bull shit commericals know ur facts....If my brother goes into the military it's how own choice, he wont go until he graduates from college and finishes ROTC....so stop reading in between lines ...I said he wanted to go didn't say he was...do u need reading lessons?

Looking in the mirror shows the Internet? you're obviously very clued in, tell me is it hard to type with the abrasions on your knuckles caused by them dragging when you walk?

dumb newbie eh? I guess that was a reference to my post count, wow sorry I can't be like yourself and sit here arguing with people on the Internet all day! you're obviously a captain of industry!

The ONE person argument is completely lame, the fact is the person he told you about is one of the major players in world terrorism, and is leading a lot of the attacks in Iraq right now, he is not alone in this, however CNN/Media world wide do not keep track of every guy with a AK-47 and an agenda against the United States, but you can be sure there is more than one person linked to terrorism fighting in Iraq.