Looking for a designer for Movie site - GoFuckYourself.com

Brujah · 02-24-2004, 05:44 AM

I'm looking for a designer that knows what will convert for a movie site. Of course, I have to like it myself too. Show me what you got.

Link me to a sample you've done. Don't show me your portfolio, just give me links to your best few in this thread. I'll check 'em out and contact a few designers.

Trax · 02-24-2004, 05:50 AM

no designer will be able to guarantee awesome conversions
you gotto tell em what you think convert your traffic

and there are many you can go with
webinc
envision
bluedesign
...

MCR · 02-24-2004, 05:50 AM

here is one of my old movie site designs :

http://www.sexmoviestoday.com/main.html

the webmaster of this site was converting and earning like crazy with this design in the past.

and i can make better one now too of course.

ICQ: 226467581

Brujah · 02-24-2004, 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Trax
no designer will be able to guarantee awesome conversions
you gotto tell em what you think convert your traffic

and there are many you can go with
webinc
envision
bluedesign
...

Were you a designer ? If not, give your opinion to someone who wants it.

CyberSan · 02-24-2004, 06:07 AM

Hello Brujah,

we have done some nice and well converting sites in the last months:

http://www.mygeisha.net
http://www.ultrasquirt.com
http://www.house-of-porn.com/index1.htm
http://www.bitchmedia.com/projects/p...www/index.html

Please contact me via ICQ to discuss you needs.

Thank you!

Trax · 02-24-2004, 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah

Were you a designer ? If not, give your opinion to someone who wants it.

are you retarded? must be
cuz otherwise you would know that what i posted is 100% correct

DanielJOOO · 02-24-2004, 06:14 AM

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kush2 · 02-24-2004, 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Trax
no designer will be able to guarantee awesome conversions
you gotto tell em what you think convert your traffic

and there are many you can go with
webinc
envision
bluedesign
...

Designers can guarantee whatever they want ;)

But I don't see any offering a 100% money-back garuntee if their gallery doesn't convert at 1:X amount of traffic.

Brujah · 02-24-2004, 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Trax

are you retarded? must be
cuz otherwise you would know that what i posted is 100% correct

I didn't ask for a conversion guarantee. I asked for a designer that knew something about designing a movie site that would convert. Why would you think that a designer would be clueless about conversions ?

Yes, I'm retarded. Keep thinking that and go away now. Let the grownups conduct some business.

Trax · 02-24-2004, 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah

I didn't ask for a conversion guarantee. I asked for a designer that knew something about designing a movie site that would convert. Why would you think that a designer would be clueless about conversions ?

Yes, I'm retarded. Keep thinking that and go away now. Let the grownups conduct some business.

wtf is your problem?
at what point did you feel offended by my original post lol?
you really gotto tell me that

i even listed 3 of the biggest ones, known for best converting designs

so calm the fuck down

kush2 · 02-24-2004, 06:22 AM

Well here's a suggestion....
Check out fletchxxx

Quiet, who is known for having one of the biggest pay movie sites around, has flown fletch's link in his sig for months saying that his galleries convert.

food for thought

If you go with fletch and his galleries make you alot of money then please paypal me [email protected] $500 ;)

graphicsbytia · 02-24-2004, 07:15 AM

katdaddy · 02-24-2004, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah
I'm looking for a designer that knows what will convert for a movie site. Of course, I have to like it myself too. Show me what you got.

Link me to a sample you've done. Don't show me your portfolio, just give me links to your best few in this thread. I'll check 'em out and contact a few designers.

interesting thread going here:

http://www.tanakadesigns.com/clients...ice/index.html
http://www.tanakadesigns.com/samples...girls/main.htm

Platinumpimp · 02-24-2004, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Trax

wtf is your problem?
at what point did you feel offended by my original post lol?
you really gotto tell me that

i even listed 3 of the biggest ones, known for best converting designs

so calm the fuck down

I have to agree with Trax, all he did was list the best known top studios.

Brujah · 02-24-2004, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Trax

wtf is your problem?
at what point did you feel offended by my original post lol?
you really gotto tell me that

i even listed 3 of the biggest ones, known for best converting designs

so calm the fuck down

I wasn't offended by your original post. It was just useless to me. I think there are a few designers who know a little bit about building a movie site that will convert. You didn't seem to think so. I want to hear from designers who DO know about putting together a movie site. I want to see a sample URL of the movie sites like I asked. I don't want a list of designers. I don't want a list of someone's view of who the top designers are. I just wanted to hear from designers looking for business that feel they know about designing a movie site, and who would list a few sample URLs in this thread. I don't want to go back and forth in email with one. I don't want to tell a designer how to convert my traffic. I don't want to waste time looking through their portfolio, especially the ones who have 100+ sites in their portfolio. Hope that makes sense. Thanks for the post anyway tho I guess.

Brujah · 02-24-2004, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kush2
Well here's a suggestion....
Check out fletchxxx

Quiet, who is known for having one of the biggest pay movie sites around, has flown fletch's link in his sig for months saying that his galleries convert.

food for thought

If you go with fletch and his galleries make you alot of money then please paypal me [email protected] $500 ;)

Will do. Thanks.

Brujah · 02-24-2004, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by graphicsbytia

Interesting, but I'll pass.

Next.

Trax · 02-24-2004, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PlatinumPimp

I have to agree with Trax, all he did was list the best known top studios.

thanks

Pipecrew · 02-24-2004, 07:56 AM

Roald · 02-24-2004, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pipecrew
..

You serious?

Trax · 02-24-2004, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah

I wasn't offended by your original post. It was just useless to me. I think there are a few designers who know a little bit about building a movie site that will convert. You didn't seem to think so. I want to hear from designers who DO know about putting together a movie site. I want to see a sample URL of the movie sites like I asked. I don't want a list of designers. I don't want a list of someone's view of who the top designers are. I just wanted to hear from designers looking for business that feel they know about designing a movie site, and who would list a few sample URLs in this thread. I don't want to go back and forth in email with one. I don't want to tell a designer how to convert my traffic. I don't want to waste time looking through their portfolio, especially the ones who have 100+ sites in their portfolio. Hope that makes sense. Thanks for the post anyway tho I guess.

it makes sense yes
and i got it like that
still i think you cannot let any designer ... best designer in the world or not work without instructions
but if you think differently ... fine

i listed the best 3
you wont find any better designers than those
http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/
http://www.webinc.com/
http://www.envisionextadult.com/

Brujah · 02-24-2004, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Trax

it makes sense yes
and i got it like that
still i think you cannot let any designer ... best designer in the world or not work without instructions
but if you think differently ... fine

i listed the best 3
you wont find any better designers than those
http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/
http://www.webinc.com/
http://www.envisionextadult.com/

I've worked with webinc and they were great to deal with. I've written TWICE to Envision with no reply, and I won't bother again with them. If Bluedesign has time and posts here, I'll check them out too.

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Nysus · 02-24-2004, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kush2

Designers can guarantee whatever they want ;)

But I don't see any offering a 100% money-back garuntee if their gallery doesn't convert at 1:X amount of traffic.

Not money-back guarantees, but I know certain individuals (perhaps companies as well) will re-do designs or galleries until you've at least made your money back. This can be a huge burden on them considering the traffic you send to them could be 50th round CJ traffic.

Cheers,
Matt

Nysus · 02-24-2004, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Yoni
http://mylesbianstory.pornaccess.com/
http://assmasters.pornaccess.com/
http://backstage.janswebring.com/

Those look great, kudos.

Cheers,
Matt

Brujah · 02-25-2004, 09:41 AM

Great stuff. Will be contacting a few of you today after I get something finalized with the video guys.

Ironhorse · 02-25-2004, 09:59 AM

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http://www.sexymojo.com/design/sampl...fulllengthxxx/
http://www.sexymojo.com/design/sampl...ach/index.html
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xxxoutsourcing · 02-25-2004, 10:11 AM

see sig

okny · 02-25-2004, 10:13 AM

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Yoni · 02-25-2004, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nysus

Those look great, kudos.

Cheers,
Matt

Thanks Matt.

graphicsbytia · 02-25-2004, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah

Interesting, but I'll pass.

Next.

I wasn't offering you anything hon.. just rolling my eyes at yet another one of "those" clients

Brujah · 02-25-2004, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by graphicsbytia

I wasn't offering you anything hon.. just rolling my eyes at yet another one of "those" clients

what kind of client would that be ?

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graphicsbytia · 02-25-2004, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah

what kind of client would that be ?

distasteful, irritating, don't know what they want, but inwilling to take offered suggestions with graciousness.. should I go on?

jasmine · 02-25-2004, 04:53 PM

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Thanks

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theS2O · 02-25-2004, 08:59 PM

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Brujah · 02-27-2004, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by graphicsbytia

distasteful, irritating, don't know what they want, but inwilling to take offered suggestions with graciousness.. should I go on?

you mean your designs are shit and you aren't able to compete with those who know how ? are you one of "those" designers ?

distasteful, irritating and don't know what I want ? i posted what I wanted, and was specific about what I didn't want. unwilling to take offered suggestions with graciousness ? where's this at ? did you mean unable to accept the idea that a designer doesn't know a little about doing a movie site that would convert ?

graphicsbytia · 02-27-2004, 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah

you mean your designs are shit and you aren't able to compete with those who know how ? are you one of "those" designers ?

distasteful, irritating and don't know what I want ? i posted what I wanted, and was specific about what I didn't want. unwilling to take offered suggestions with graciousness ? where's this at ? did you mean unable to accept the idea that a designer doesn't know a little about doing a movie site that would convert ?

point proved

Brujah · 02-27-2004, 04:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by graphicsbytia

point proved

Turf · 02-27-2004, 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by graphicsbytia

point proved

sorry but i must be blind cuz i dont think you proven squad dingus... but you are making your business look like a 2 dime store... great job

Trax · 02-27-2004, 05:11 AM

someone ring the Round 2 - bell

Brujah · 02-27-2004, 05:15 AM

Ok c'mon, does it really matter ? I don't know why tia felt the need to post nothing except that I was one of "those" clients. Maybe I am, who cares. Maybe she was sticking up for Trax cause I was rude and misunderstood his intention. Who knows? Anyway, I'm going to buy what I want, and maybe I'll be a little difficult to work with. I don't know. So far, I've worked with lots of designers and no one has seemed to have minded. No need to keep arguing about it. I'm sure she doesn't need my money and I probably wouldn't have wanted to work with her anyway. No big loss.

graphicsbytia · 02-27-2004, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah
Ok c'mon, does it really matter ? I don't know why tia felt the need to post nothing except that I was one of "those" clients. Maybe I am, who cares. Maybe she was sticking up for Trax cause I was rude and misunderstood his intention. Who knows? Anyway, I'm going to buy what I want, and maybe I'll be a little difficult to work with. I don't know. So far, I've worked with lots of designers and no one has seemed to have minded. No need to keep arguing about it. I'm sure she doesn't need my money and I probably wouldn't have wanted to work with her anyway. No big loss.

Here's what I'm talking about Brujah

quote:
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Originally posted by Trax
no designer will be able to guarantee awesome conversions
you gotto tell em what you think convert your traffic

and there are many you can go with
webinc
envision
bluedesign
...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Were you a designer ? If not, give your opinion to someone who wants it.

You are very rude and obnoxious for someone who's looking for help with something

then you go on to post this:

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Trax

wtf is your problem?
at what point did you feel offended by my original post lol?
you really gotto tell me that

i even listed 3 of the biggest ones, known for best converting designs

so calm the fuck down
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I wasn't offended by your original post. It was just useless to me. I think there are a few designers who know a little bit about building a movie site that will convert. You didn't seem to think so. I want to hear from designers who DO know about putting together a movie site. I want to see a sample URL of the movie sites like I asked. I don't want a list of designers. I don't want a list of someone's view of who the top designers are. I just wanted to hear from designers looking for business that feel they know about designing a movie site, and who would list a few sample URLs in this thread. I don't want to go back and forth in email with one. I don't want to tell a designer how to convert my traffic. I don't want to waste time looking through their portfolio, especially the ones who have 100+ sites in their portfolio. Hope that makes sense. Thanks for the post anyway tho I guess.

Brujah, you've got headache written all over your posts.. and I gotta tell you something.. your attitude sucks .. coming in here with money in your hand thinking it gives you the right to treat people like crap, I mean.. who the hell do you think you are?.. I pity the person who agrees to work for you

Seb From Holland · 02-27-2004, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah
I'm looking for a designer that knows what will convert for a movie site. Of course, I have to like it myself too. Show me what you got.

Link me to a sample you've done. Don't show me your portfolio, just give me links to your best few in this thread. I'll check 'em out and contact a few designers.

Brujah,

My most recent movie paysite design is this one: link. It depends on what your budget is, because this site was quite pricy. But you get a Website that is not only designed properly, but also thinks thru the head of the surfer, not the webmaster, which is probably one of the most important things.

If you want a designer to think like a surfer, have close contact with you during the process of the design and are willing to pay a bit more then contact me.

info [at] digitalevolution [dot] nl

Seb.

Brujah · 02-27-2004, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by graphicsbytia
Brujah, you've got headache written all over your posts.. and I gotta tell you something.. your attitude sucks .. coming in here with money in your hand thinking it gives you the right to treat people like crap, I mean.. who the hell do you think you are?.. I pity the person who agrees to work for you

You sound like the girl working at the ice cream counter, convincing me how I should buy strawberry even though I want chocolate and I'm not interested in debating how much better strawberry is.

I placed the ad by posting. You don't like it, don't read the fucking thread. If my attitude is too crude for your sensibility, put me on ignore. If you think I'm treating people like crap, you might as well look for a nicer place to post because I'm nowhere near as mean or rude as most people here.

graphicsbytia · 02-27-2004, 09:43 AM

I'm not going anywhere Brujah, and I don't have anyone on my ignore list.. no need for it

I'm tired of seeing people like you come in here and abuse people, and I'm tired of the attitude I see toward designers especially... And it's not just you.. I've seen plenty of others do it here.. and I'll probably say something everytime I see it happening.

If I thought you had a shred of niceness in you.. I'd apologize for making you an example.. but I won't hold my breath on that one.

02-24-2004, 05:44 AM	#1
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Looking for a designer for Movie site I'm looking for a designer that knows what will convert for a movie site. Of course, I have to like it myself too. Show me what you got. Link me to a sample you've done. Don't show me your portfolio, just give me links to your best few in this thread. I'll check 'em out and contact a few designers. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

02-24-2004, 05:50 AM	#3
MCR Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: mgpbuilders.com Posts: 473	here is one of my old movie site designs : http://www.sexmoviestoday.com/main.html the webmaster of this site was converting and earning like crazy with this design in the past. and i can make better one now too of course. ICQ: 226467581 __________________ :: MGPBuilders.com :: Need stable 50k & 100k & 150k & 200k & 250k+ TGP or MGP site(s) built? Hit me up on icq for your orders or getting more info about our service: 226467581 Last edited by MCR; 02-24-2004 at 05:57 AM..

02-24-2004, 06:22 AM	#11
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02-25-2004, 09:41 AM	#26
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02-24-2004, 05:50 AM	#2
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	no designer will be able to guarantee awesome conversions you gotto tell em what you think convert your traffic and there are many you can go with webinc envision bluedesign ...

02-24-2004, 06:07 AM	#5
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02-27-2004, 05:15 AM	#43
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Ok c'mon, does it really matter ? I don't know why tia felt the need to post nothing except that I was one of "those" clients. Maybe I am, who cares. Maybe she was sticking up for Trax cause I was rude and misunderstood his intention. Who knows? Anyway, I'm going to buy what I want, and maybe I'll be a little difficult to work with. I don't know. So far, I've worked with lots of designers and no one has seemed to have minded. No need to keep arguing about it. I'm sure she doesn't need my money and I probably wouldn't have wanted to work with her anyway. No big loss. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

02-27-2004, 09:43 AM	#47
graphicsbytia Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tennessee Posts: 2,618	I'm not going anywhere Brujah, and I don't have anyone on my ignore list.. no need for it I'm tired of seeing people like you come in here and abuse people, and I'm tired of the attitude I see toward designers especially... And it's not just you.. I've seen plenty of others do it here.. and I'll probably say something everytime I see it happening. If I thought you had a shred of niceness in you.. I'd apologize for making you an example.. but I won't hold my breath on that one.