Who owns Xtremepay?

2 guys. Duane and Kevin.
JMan is the #3 guy. Not an owner - but right up there.

Brad, what is your job there? Affiliate rep? Promo guy?

I am the affiliate manager. I basically recruit new affiliates and manage the old ones.

right ok...

time to get my 2 cents in... Just because we are competitors and this is what we do..

Can you buy these things like XBOXES etc for affiliate because the affiliates are not getting credit for

phone orders? (the big number at top of all ur pages)

toll free fax number? (again at top of pages)

or the paypal orders? (seemings everything that goes through securenetsafe i very much doubt u are)...

Problem with this is I KNOW the % of orders ur affiliates lose because of this and its approaching 40% , many people use paypal, many many people.

Also what about exit sales and upsales?

Lets play on a level field, go to ur boss and actually design a program which will give your affiliates THEIR SALES.

Regarding gimmics like xboxes etc, yeah u guys love them we know that... u send us sales we can do all this and give out prizes etc, what I am interested in doing is your bottom line, the $$$ you take away at the end of the month...

And to predict the backlash, yes we take paypal, yes affiliates get commision, yes we also the ONLY pill site which pays YOU REBILLS.

No we do not take phone orders, we did for a 2 week period until we realized that surfers do NOT have a clue the site name they just left to get to yours, so theres NO way u can credit affiliates.

MensNiche aint perfect but my aim is to provide a program which is setup to benefit urself, WHY should i benefit too much from ur traffic to the scale of like 40% of ur traffic purchasing via NOT tracked payment methods - I shouldn't.

If u want an higher bottom u know where to come.

Much love.

What about Ruth and Rodney?

Darren, are you sure there's no way to track phone orders? can't you have something like a reference number unique to the affiliate and ask the surfer to enter it or whatever...

might be worth looking into...
:thumbsup

nice darren :thumbsup

We have 3 MGP's with a total traffic of around 150K (all of them growing nicely). If you think we can make money by having a text link on them then I am game. I however have my doubts but I am willing to give it a go.

I have never tried selling penis pills or anything like that before but if you think it would work then hit me up on ICQ and we'll try it out. You can put together an advert for me since you said you will do anything to get business. I'll put it up and see how it does.

Deal? 164643450

That's pretty weak. our affiliates earn 50% from the beginning. and our average sale is over 200.

just an example of one of our affiliates:

http://www.pillsmoney.com/images/acc384.JPG

also our 50% might mean over 65% with other programs.
We don't deduct refunded orders.
We don't deduct chargebacks.
We don't deduct voided orders.
We don't deduct processing fees.

:)

I could be missing the obvious but I don't see it mentioned in the linking codes in stats. Oh - and the Jo Lube link 404's.

oh yes there is a way, of course there is but before posting this i checked and they don't do it.

nice stats Steve, u do things right over there, keep it going! :)

and yeah same as above for mensniche :) we pay processing fee etc etc :)

GO on AIM

Correct me if I'm wrong...

teenjump=Brad-Wishing=Brad-Xtremepay

Why not just be Brad and change your sig instead of your name all the time?

I think tracking paypal orders are really important, i'm converting quite well with Mensniche and it probably helps.

I think mail orders and phone orders could be tracked easily, both with a special unique number given to the surfer to give out, either asked by the phone lady or printed for the mail order. Of course there would still be people who would forget it, but the extra sales couldn't hurt.

That said i do appreciate getting credits for upsells, nothing makes me happier than sending a surfer to penis-health and an hour later see the same surfer give me an extra $100 in commission at prosolution pills.

On the other hand, do-hickeys like x-boxes (i already got one from wishing.com Thanks Wishing!) are nice and make you feel appreciated. I don't think it's mandatory to have them, but it sure can make you feel appreciated.

Darren, looks like you beat me to it - programs like MensNiche is certainly the way to go if you're going to be promoting pill sites.
We may not be giving away Xboxes and PS2's yet, but with MensNiche your bottom line will be way higher than with competing programs.

Like Darren said, credit for cross sales and upsales will boost your profit margins through the roof. The reason we're not giving away the big ticket prizes is because on average we're paying you so much more per surfer than any other program.

With no way to track telephone sales and fax orders at this point, the only way to go is to track ALL traffic coming in - whether it be from direct referrals or be it a visitor that comes back 6 months down the road - with our IP tracking and cookie tracking systems you will get not only the credit for this sale, but you'll get credit for the upsale, credit for the cross sale and rebills.

There's no other company matching the offer we have at this time - and as the slogan says "your bottom line will be higher with us".

Hit me up on ICQ when you want to start earning serious money instead of the meagre amounts that our competitors are offering!

ICQ: 310-539-245

Sure the Xboxes make you feel good...but how many times have you seen credit for an upsell like that $100 you got for a ProSolution sale? More times than the cost of that Xbox no doubt. With MensNiche - it's like a free Xbox every 2 or 3 times you get an upsell.

A half a dozen upsells and you could buy an Xbox and have $400 to spend on games too.

I realise the do-hickeys make you feel appreciated, but wouldn't you rather spend the money the way you want? If I'm wrong, let me know, and I'll get on twisting Darren's arm to give away some Xboxes :winkwink:

Should work well on your dome - don't forget though to buy the little lady some anti-glare glasses :Graucho

That's probably the best quote I've read on this board ever.

Damn, too bad I have no traffic. Oh well.

I wish I could bring myself to sling pills that don't work so I could take some shots in this thread.

I love drama.

Hi Dildozer,

Thanks for the sales. A Pleasure to send you an xbox or whatever you need :)
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Darren,

Well said on the post above. Even know we compete a little in the same field, I gotta say you run a first class operation, you always take care of your affiliates and convert like gold :)

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On the other hand, do-hickeys like x-boxes (i already got one from wishing.com Thanks Wishing!) are nice and make you feel appreciated. I don't think it's mandatory to have them, but it sure can make you feel appreciated.

Stocktrader,

you could aways try pushing the patches :)

Peace

Todd

Never thought about patches. I know what pills cost to manufacture and they are "dirt" cheap. Pun intended. :1orglaugh

yeah wishing.com mucho respecto to you guys we work well with you and love working with u, long may this continue! :)

just to calrify on one point BEN made and Dildozer made... regarding stuff like Xboxes they sure can be cute.... and ben is working on a nifty little promotion for all of you know... but as usual it will be different and it won't be a one time thanks! :)

Dildozer ur right about phone orders, they can be tracked... my point was they ARE NOT with XtremePay.. :)

theres a point there mate, we pay quite a bit extra for our pills because we are interested in quality and the surfer returning and we also give them everything they need so in the case of penis enhancement they get what they want - gains...

Stocktrader... can u hit me up soon as well.. im interested in having u on board.

Darren, I used to sell supplements to pharmacies for a company here in town. Not only did he sell nationwide he was in every major pharmacy warehouse such as McKesson (sp). He is a multimillionaire just selling them wholesale to stores that couldn't move the products at the time. ;) His stuff is manufactured in one of the best labs in the U.S. and I guarantee you for what it is it was quality ingredients etc. Even still, the only real cost was the bottle they came in.

I'll hit you up, on ICQ in a sec but I'm wondering what you meant by "on board".

Edit: Your ICQ wasn't online. Mine is 209235248.

I'm still not quite clear on how you jumped from one pill company to another. Also, why should I send you my traffic instead of these other companies?

I stopped by your booth briefly the other day. I JUST missed you. It was loud in there and I don't talk real loud, so I'm not going to fault the guy I was talking to, but I wasn't real impressed with the answers I was getting.

She's already got them. Mr Sheen does it wonders.

bottom line penis pills are a scam.

yes, I am an entertainer, watch me entertaining existing extrempay affiliates by offering a woooooping $10 more for every sale they make with us ... it will happen and they already start contacting me. kiss your mailers bye bye.

... so why is bradextrempays our best client then ??

thats good stuff mate, i see ur point, even with top quality produce like we get made its only $3 per a bot more expensive for example so u are correct... my point was not all pill sellers do this, reason we do is cuz we are here for the long term, we want customers to return and affiliates to get them re-sales.

I don't have to ICQ u now but will contact u in next 48 hours or so.

Dazza!

Fucking threadjackers. Amazing you guys. Totally classless.

First of all, we DO track phone orders. Affiliate ID is the "transfer number" when they call in they dial an extension, which for example for me would be "7032" We input that # and the affiliate is credited. Same with FAX.

Second, we don't bullshit average sale or conversion ratios. We don't need to lie to get affiliate traffic. I can say with confidence what we sell and I can show any affiliate that proof. We don't hide anything.

Sly: Sorry about the booth. I can answer any questions you have. We had a couple guys there who don't know the details on the program. Were kind of like the boobie chicks... paid to be there to do a task. ;)

The xbox business and bonuses. Everyone knows it is good PR on the boards. But affiliates that send decent sales don't need them.

As for the payout % - again if you can push volume I will keep increasing you.

As for jumping companies, it was my decision to leave wishing. I got a better job offer at another company. I was working remote, but now I work in their office.
Besides who could give up the opportunity to work with JMan? :)

Why work with us? Because I don't care how much you need or what you need. I won't stop until you're happy with your bottom line $.
Whatever it takes to keep you happy. A personal level of affiliate support. I mean look how much I am online. I am ALWAYS here to answer questions.

hey tipsy - yes we don't have it in the link codes yet. We are setting it up manually for the moment. Ill get ahold of you tomorrow with the link code.
As for Jo- thanks, I am fixing this.

firslty brad u lowered the level when it comes to "class" , mensniche, wishing.com , pillsmoney and many more have co-existed on this board helping affiliates make money...

So dont accuse us of threadjacking when for example u have done it tons and tons of times eg:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...t=thread jack

Oh and NOT having class, how can you talk?? Ditching the company that taught you your trade and gave you the chance at the first opportunity that you could?? The guys at wishing.com and webinc?? Very classy and loyal.

Next...

Lets NOT tell fibs yeah built into your graphics of all sites is the phone numbers DIRECT to your office NO affiliate ID in site... same with the fax number:

Lets take a look hey:

Follow this affiliate LINK: http://www.securenetsafe.com/index.p...05&pr=3&ba=406

And lets look at the top of your penis enlargement site...

http://www.200sexpositions.com/opt.jpg

I see ur quickly changing sites here taking fax numbers etc off as well....


OK now talk to me about PAYPAL SALES , 20% or orders go through PAYPAL are they being tracked for affiliates???

What about exit/upsales/cross sales???

Before getting on ur high horse about what u can do for affiliates learn some class urself.

Oh and can u tell me whos better wishing or xtremepay or u moving to another company next week?

Wishing taught me nothing, to be honest. Yes todd is a nice guy blah blah. However i came in with experience, and came out knowing their product names. Nothing more. So let's not get stuck here.

Ive been working .coms for 3.5 years now. I learned everything I know in mainstream - and from small personal projects. As well as friends in adult.

As far as the phone #s go, as we talked about on ICQ we are fixing the graphics. Right now our customer support girls know how to get the affiliate ID from the address bar from the customer on the line.

As with every program there are glitches. But we are working out the bugs that come up to us. If we are notified of anything we make sure we fix it. Especially if it is a big concern.

As for the personal stabs - wishing picked me up damn cheap. I was a board whore nothing more. I didn't even have access to an admin panel of any kind. It was shabby. They knew I was cheap as hell and would not be there forever. I was making enough $ to sleep - I had to go to my parents every weekend to eat.
When given another opportunity I took it. JMan knew that I know my stuff and they gave me an offer I could NOT refuse. back into an office and decent pay. Not to mention sending their affiliate manager to vegas, one of the biggest shows of the year.

EVERY pill program has its negatives and positives. But to ruin our rep over a couple of sales a day not credited to affiliates... now THAT would be stupid.
When we get a sale come in with no affiliate ID, we research it to make sure it didn't come from an affiliate. (referral URL is tracked on the click etc)

I won't argue this anymore. But if any AFFILIATES are concerned about anything on our site I will address those concerns without a doubt.

brad i dont know ur sales volume but not counting "a couple of sales a day" would imply to me u don't know ur stuff.

Paypal & lost phone / fax orders is 30-40% OF SALES....

Losing a couple sales a day is ok for the affiliates then?? so a couple of $100 commision sales lost a day due to this is just fine?? now we know where the gimmicks are coming from :)

Regarding the telephone operator asking the person who is trying to purchase the product on the phone to look at their computer and find an affiliate ID is just a joke, i know from doing support that surfers are generally not the brightest, lets not kid ourselves u tell ur affiliate u track sales and ONLY now are u trying to change things on the site...

OH and paypal sales??? not being tracked AT ALL? agreed?


And i agree, show some professionalism and sell ur program on the qualities it as and i will do the same to mine.

Oh and just because ur a board whore doesn't mean the network u are working for is the best...

Xtremepay people are good folks! We got to spend a good deal of time with Brad in Vegas and he sat at our table at the V Bar. Good guys and great product!

Also.. you know it will bea fun group if Jman is involved.


By the way.... threadjacking is so last week. :1orglaugh

damn my english is poor.

excellent, sat at ur table and must be good, a personal recomendation from PerfectionGirls... quick i must go signup, Hows perfectiongirls going anyhow?? a lot of threads on GFY about u lately i see.

Brad,

We weren't so cheap when you needed a job.. As with everything in this industry "board whores" come and go. Duane and company don't have a real good rep in this industry some in my opinion they won't last that long anyways.

I think Darren made some valid points about your program, don't you agree?

I can only speak for my company, but on wishing.com we have no toll free #'s listed, no paypal payments, no exit consoles, etc.

We run it just like we run our 15 adult toy stores online, no links to anywhere else on the site.. With products you need to keep the traffic you have..

Ok, back to your rumblings, we are listening :)

´Hit me up on ICQ.. My sites is yours....

Jeff,

I don't think you posting right now is helping brad's cause out at all.

No offence, but you are so last week :)

I agree Todd, as I said you guys helped me out when I needed work. And in the email I wrote you I explained all of that in GREAT detail. But we know what happened that night. We can keep that one quiet. I haven't told anyone about it.

Darren made VERY good points. And as for the paypal sales I HONESTLY can't say if we do or not simply because I don't know. So I will find out and get back to you guys on that.

As for phone orders, every graphic and text will be changed to include the affiliate ID tomorrow. But as I say the amount of sales that go through without an affiliate ID are VERY low.

It's all good you guys. I'm not taking the offensivly at all. More than anything constructive critisism. Good time to see what people think. :)

Brad,

you don't have to keep anything quiet.

I wasn't pissed you moved on, I was dissapointed that it was with someone in the same industry / product line.

Old news, I have been around too long to hold grudges.

Well I'm glad everything is good to an extent Todd. I still hold you in high regard.

I honestly feel that the xboxes, cash bonuses, whatever can be thrown in the trash.

Does your site convert better than 1:20 on targeted traffic? If you could show a big player stats with 500 sales at that ratio, you get their attention.

Then show them their traffic doing that well, you get a new, productive affiliate.

Glitz, glam, and giveaways mean nothing to people who can send real sales. It boils down to the cash per hit sent to your program for most. If you can add an extra $1 per hit then people start to listen.

But what do I know, I don't even have any websites.