The thread that will get me banned- Lensman/GFY Adult.com Shaving/Ethics Problems

[Ani D]

Since the mlin2 adult.com shaving thread two nights ago I have been unable to post or reply to threads. This coincided exactly as Lensman came to the board to defend his program.

Posts of mine were deleted from the "shaving" thread at the same time. This is OUTRAGEOUS. I am being censored for simply saying to miln2, "I like you." You all can verify this for yourself by viewing my post in quotes by Reak "Get to the point ?" and mlin2 "Nice to know.." Here is the link : http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...pagen umber=1
Before all you start calling me a nobody, ask yourself "Why Lensman would bother to silence a "nobody" like Ani D?" And then ask yourself, "Why does Lensman go to these lengths to silence not the person who made the allegations, but a bystander?"

Lensman - Why does a major player of your stature have to resort to trickery when you have legitimate proof of your innocence?

This is the type of clown/goon behavior that keeps me and MANY others from using any adult.com program. Clean your actions and the actions of your clowns/employees up and you'll reel in a lot more affiliates. Everytime you make an unethical/unfair move on this board or allow one of your employees to it reflects on your integrity in every area. If you are dishonest and underhanded in your administration of this board, it is hard to imagine that you wouldn't be dishonest and underhanded with your sponsor programs. I may be the only person here saying this, but EVERYONE thinks it. Take my advice and win potential affiliates. Don't take my advice, and continue to turn potential affiliates away. I know this board is targeted at 17 year-olds and the people who sell to them, but I think even average 17 year-old would like to know that you would administer this board ethically in exchange for the page views/revenue their posts bring you.

If you want me silenced - ban me. Don't hide behind this manipulation of turning off my ability to post. Let everyone see that you ban anyone who doesn't put their support behind you without question. Let it say, "So fucking Banned" by my name.

I don't know if you shave your affiliates, but I know you abuse your power here on this board. Anyone who blinds themself to this deserves what they get in regards to your sponsors.

Everyone else : You talk shit about how the adult industry has to change. That our industry has brought it's current woes upon itself. I don't expect your support personally, I dont even want it. But for the sake of our mutual financial interest I say to you : Let the change begin with YOU.


You don't like me, fine. But I don't deserve to be banned when other people are allowed to make threats of death, make threats of violence, threaten lawsuits, discredit/slander programs with no supporting evidence, post people's private personal information,post illegal photos, so forth and so on.

[psyko514]

Bullshit. You deleted those posts yourself.

[420]

We all know you were already banned under the nick 'anidifranco'.

[Evil1]

owh! good sig placement.. thank you

[Dveron]

Start your own fucking board

[Digipimp]

Who cares, it's his board he can do what he wants we all know that going in. It's not a democrazy, if you really want to say something he doesn't like there are about 40 billion other boards that you can try it on.

[Vox]

So fucking banned.

[Ani D]

Originally posted by 420
We all know you were already banned under the nick 'anidifranco'.

That's another thing, why was my login banned for simply saying I was leaving the board? I didn't read that in the rules.

If it is in the terms, that is fucking DUMB when other people do all this crazy shit on here. Another

[gornyhuy]

This ain't a democracy, or for that matter a government sponsored service to which you are entitled.

Don't like it? Fuck off.

[sixxxth_sense]

I dont mind a little DRAMA

[washiez]

You were banned and then came back under a different nick. You are fair game.

[SomeCreep]

summary?

[Ani D]

Originally posted by gornyhuy
This ain't a democracy, or for that matter a government sponsored service to which you are entitled.

Don't like it? Fuck off.

I don't expect democracy or feel entitled. I know I'm banning myself with this post. I'm not a mindless follower, therefore I know I'll be banned eventually.. I'm just speaking my mind NOW.

[webair]

can you ask mlin2 how much he wants for cooldomains.com? =)

im not much for the drama, you choose where to send your traffic...it's sort of like the radio, if you don't like the songs...change the station

[Ani D]

By the way, did any of you wonder what happened to mlin2's thread last night "Lensman/Adult.com 70% Shave Off"

It was deleted, of course. We can't expect adult.com to present it's side and let it be judged. Noooo, they just delete any questions.

It suggests much to hide.

If they CAN prove their side of the story, resorting to that crap is PR-wise the wrong way to handle it.

[Digipimp]

Originally posted by webair
can you ask mlin2 how much he wants for cooldomains.com? =)

im not much for the drama, you choose where to send your traffic...it's sort of like the radio, if you don't like the songs...change the station

I can hijack it for you if you get me 1500mb and 150gig for $30 a month.

[Spunky]

Did you even read the thread by Mlin?.He was caught cheating and false accusations of shaving is Libel.I suggest you shouldn't chime in with your unproven slander.
You were banned before for a reason.
With all the webmasters who promote Adult.com why is Miln the only one complaining?I would assure you there would be many more.You will always get a bitter few who try to cheat the TOS and get caught.
The only clown here is you.

[webair]

Originally posted by Digipimp


I can hijack it for you if you get me 1500mb and 150gig for $30 a month.

done

[Ani D]

Originally posted by webair
can you ask mlin2 how much he wants for cooldomains.com? =)

im not much for the drama, you choose where to send your traffic...it's sort of like the radio, if you don't like the songs...change the station

I agree 100%. I don't send my traffic to his programs long before this. I see how he and his empoyees handle themselves on the boards..

[psyko514]

Originally posted by Ani D
By the way, did any of you wonder what happened to mlin2's thread last night "Lensman/Adult.com 70% Shave Off"

It was deleted, of course.

Wait, you mean this thread?
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=218645
Doesn't look deleted to me. Locked, but not deleted.

[Digipimp]

Originally posted by webair


done

I should try an expirement and see if the power of GFY can bring me that hosting account at that price, unless you want to give it to me first.

[Ani D]

Originally posted by spunky1
Did you even read the thread by Mlin?.He was caught cheating and false accusations of shaving is Libel.I suggest you shouldn't chime in with your unproven slander.
You were banned before for a reason.
With all the webmasters who promote Adult.com why is Miln the only one complaining?I would assure you there would be many more.You will always get a bitter few who try to cheat the TOS and get caught.
The only clown here is you.

I didn't chime in. I have no way to know one way or the other whether you guys shave except by your actions in other areas.

Yeah, I read the mlin2 posts, including the one that has been deleted. He PROVED that Lensman's excuse was a lie.

As for my previous banning, that was equally as fucked. I was banned for saying I'm stopping posting? What the fuck. I admit I did say I was leaving, but I did not in a million years except that was a ban-worthy offense.

[webair]

Originally posted by Digipimp


I should try an expirement and see if the power of GFY can bring me that hosting account at that price, unless you want to give it to me first.

icq

[Ani D]

Originally posted by psyko514


Wait, you mean this thread?
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=218645
Doesn't look deleted to me. Locked, but not deleted.

Wow, okay. I looked all over for that thread, but I must have missed it. I apologize for that. It was an honest mistake.

[Ani D]

Originally posted by spunky1
Did you even read the thread by Mlin?.He was caught cheating and false accusations of shaving is Libel.I suggest you shouldn't chime in with your unproven slander.
You were banned before for a reason.
With all the webmasters who promote Adult.com why is Miln the only one complaining?I would assure you there would be many more.You will always get a bitter few who try to cheat the TOS and get caught.
The only clown here is you.

Here spunky1

[Digipimp]

Originally posted by webair



icq

Done.

[Volantt]

I think your sig is not within the rules, you might want to change it.

V

[axelcat]

Originally posted by Volantt
I think your sig is not within the rules, you might want to change it.

V

Dude thats an awsome cat pic

[Ani D]

Originally posted by Volantt
I think your sig is not within the rules, you might want to change it.

V

Hm, What are the rules again?

Edit : Thanks.

[Volantt]

Originally posted by axelcat


Dude thats an awsome cat pic

Hey takes care of the people who don't pay up...

V

[Spunky]

Originally posted by Volantt


Hey takes care of the people who don't pay up...

V

He's hunting dogs

[arial]

Oh the drama.

[Ani D]

Locked Thread Here Read It Before You Post
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=218645

[pink_in_the_middle]

Originally posted by Ani D
Locked Thread Here Read It Before You Post
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=218645

Thats very interesting I must say...

[Spunky]

Originally posted by Ani D
Locked Thread Here Read It Before You Post
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=218645

Please..A drowning man grasps at anything to try to save himself.
Again..Why is he the only one claiming this propaganda?
You would see this board filled with threads if this was the case.
Whatever ...A lawyer would look at it and basically tell you there isn't enough substantial proof to base a claim.
I have promoted Adult.com for a long time and haven't had a problem. This is a dead issue and getting old.

[pink_in_the_middle]

Originally posted by spunky1

Please..A drowning man grasps at anything to try to save himself.
Again..Why is he the only one claiming this propaganda?
You would see this board filled with threads if this was the case.

I think maybe alot of the webmasters here DO think it and won't say anything cause they see what happens to those who do

Originally posted by spunky1

Please..A drowning man grasps at anything to try to save himself.
Again..Why is he the only one claiming this propaganda?
You would see this board filled with threads if this was the case.
Whatever ...A lawyer would look at it and basically tell you there isn't enough substantial proof to base a claim.
I have promoted Adult.com for a long time and haven't had a problem. This is a dead issue and getting old.

Ya, it was pretty clear what the problem was in the other thread that Lensman posted.

He was loading their pay per sign up program in a frame, so shit wasn't tracking right. And loading a pay per sign up program in a frame is basically cheating since you are fucking up their exit consoles.

What a way to piss away free money. I can't believe someone would fuck up such a good thing by posting that crap.

How often do you get written permission from a company to use a typo domain that generates you thousands of dollars per month for doing sweet dick all?

[Wizzo]

Get off the crack pipe..... I'm wayyy to drunk to read this shit, but two programs that don't shave are Epiccash and adult.com...

[sickkittens]

Originally posted by Wizzo
Get off the crack pipe..... I'm wayyy to drunk to read this shit, but two programs that don't shave are Epiccash and adult.com...

Another spam.

[Spunky]

Originally posted by pink_in_the_middle


I think maybe alot of the webmasters here DO think it and won't say anything cause they see what happens to those who do

This is GFY...no way in hell would that happen..where have you been?

[Ani D]

Originally posted by spunky1

Please..A drowning man grasps at anything to try to save himself.
Again..Why is he the only one claiming this propaganda?
You would see this board filled with threads if this was the case.
Whatever ...A lawyer would look at it and basically tell you there isn't enough substantial proof to base a claim.
I have promoted Adult.com for a long time and haven't had a problem. This is a dead issue and getting old.

It's no claim. I saw Lensman's posts that night, I saw my own posts, I saw mlin2's posts. I also say Lensman's posts deleted, my posts deleted, and some of mlin2's posts deleted. The fact that the thread is locked means nothing to you?

Your adult.com experience is totally valid. I ask you spunky1 to answer me this : Why isn't mlin2's experience just as valid?

[pink_in_the_middle]

Originally posted by spunky1

This is GFY...no way in hell would that happen..where have you been?

tr.v. bi·ased, or bi·assed bi·as·ing, or bi·as·sing bi·as·es or bi·as·ses
To influence in a particular, typically unfair direction; prejudice.

[Ani D]

Originally posted by Wizzo
Get off the crack pipe..... I'm wayyy to drunk to read this shit, but two programs that don't shave are Epiccash and adult.com...

This is a thread for people who take the time to read before they post. You aren't welcome here.

[Ani D]

This is for you worthless pieces of shit who can't be bothered to know what they are talking about :


Mlin2
Spam me with dialer programs


Registered: Sep 2003
Location:
Posts: 195


Claim: Adult.com shaves enormous amount of our sign ups.



Background: We were promoting AmateurPages.com - site of adult.com by
redirecting type-in traffic using frame redirection that the domain name
registrar - enom.com provides from many domain names including uncensored.com,
uhoh.com, grils.com, amatuerpages.com(with adult.com?s permission) and other
domains to AmateurPages.com



We started promoting them in July 2003. At that time, the subscription price was
$29.95 per sign up.

Adult.com was offering a 71% revenue share from all sign ups
you generate.

Statistics including tracking and payment processing were being
handled by a third party ? iBill.com.

Our traffic, according to
screenshots was
generating an average of 5-7 sign ups a day (see yourself for an exact number).



On October 2003, adult.com has lowered the subscription price for
AmateurPages.com 3 times from $29.95 to $9.95.

They changed the affiliate program as well from 71% revenue share to $25 pay per
sign up.

They took over the statistics tracking and from that point all sales were being
tracked by adult.com.

We were sending the same amount and quality traffic from the same traffic domain
names but our conversion ratio dropped several times.



Since the price was lowered 3 times, conversion should have risen. Even if we
assume that the surfer didn't react positively on the price drop, how could
it react negatively that conversion dropped several times? Even then, lets
assume further that surfer reacted negatively, which is not any realistic,
why would adult.com keep the $9.95 price if it converted 3-4 times worse when
they could have changed the price back at any time? I believe the price drop
didn't have a bad impact on conversion ratios but the problem was that Lensman
was now deflating the number of sales webmasters generate.



Findings: When this analysis was posted on the
board, Lensman showed up deleted post(s) and making 3 statements:



Quote 1


Originally posted by Lensman



It does look like your traffic from 1-5 to 1-7 has a problem, I'm not sure if
our engineers fucked something up while we all were in Vegas. Or maybe it's a
fluke.



Regarding your shaving accusation, you are totally full of shit.



The stats from August are from a different processor and a different period.
They are from trails and rebills, and your second stats are non-trials and a
very limited time period.



Your are cordially invited to visit our offices and look at our systems and
code, we have nothing to hide.



And it's pretty low to do this shit, if it's even real, Miln.



Quoting Lensman's post.

1. "It does look like your traffic from 1-5 to 1-7 has a problem, I'm not
sure if our engineers fucked something up while we all were in Vegas. Or maybe
it's a fluke." - Lensman admits that the claim is true - the stats are
unrealistic. Making several assumptions of flukes or a possible screw up on
their part.


2. "And it's pretty low to do this shit, if it's even real, Miln." -
Admits that it's pretty low reveal shaving sponsors even if they are real and
probably not low to shave your own affiliates.









Quote 2



Originally posted by Lensman

I just checked, and Miln2 is a fake character created by another webmaster
here.



^ First bullshit Lensman tries to pull to dilute our claim of
shaving. He has our name and our company name in his system as we are one of his
affiliates. I'm not a fake character, he knows I've been promoting
AmateurPages.com from June and sent 1000s of sign ups to that site. He has our
company name, address and phone number.





One day later he comes with another post.

Quote 3







Originally posted by Lensman

I just got off the phone with our head programmer. Here's the deal:



Mlin's the one that has the missspell of AmateurPages.



His site is down right now, but here is the Google Cache:




http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cach...atuerpages.com/[/url]



The page will be blank, but view source.



Look at the page, he is started opening

http://regular1.amateurpages.com/?w=AP59551 INSIDE A FRAMESET.



The master domain is amatuerpages.com, not amateurpages.com. THEREFORE OUR JOIN
COOKIES will not read his traffic.



That's cheating. He gets the exit traffic, not us. That's not the deal.



HE TRYS TO SCAM US, then when our system does the right thing, he calls us
shavers!



Mlin2, you've just fucked yourself.





1. "Look at the page, he is started opening

http://regular1.amateurpages.com/?w=AP59551 INSIDE A FRAMESET." < Second
bullshit Lensman tries to make. If you check the
source of
google cache for amatuerpages.com you will not find any frame set. You will
find one frame - frame traffic redirection that points to our AmateurPages.com
affiliate link.





2. "The master domain is amatuerpages.com, not amateurpages.com. THEREFORE
OUR JOIN COOKIES will not read his traffic." <The Third Bullshit
Lensman tries to make. If that was the case, how come for over 3 month their
system was recording our sales including the
screenshotted sales
for January 2004 ? It also recorded hundreds of our sales from Oct 2003 to Dec
2003.





3. "That's cheating. He gets the exit traffic, not us. That's not the deal."
< The Forth Bullshit Lensman tries to make. If you know html, or copy
and past the
source of
google cache for amatuerpages.com into your HTML editor, you will see that
there is one frame and all traffic goes to AmateurPages.com affiliate program,
therefore it's not possible to affect exit traffic in any way. Moreover the
redirection is being done trough eNom.com, there is no hosted page on the
domain.



4. "HE TRYS TO SCAM US, then when our system does the right thing, he
calls us shavers!" < The Fifth Bullshit Lensman tries to make. As you
can see above,
source of
google cache for amatuerpages.com showes no FRAMESET as Lensman claims and
no exit traffic could have been possibly manipulated therefore no one scammed
them. He thinks that "their system does the right thing" which is an
obvious shaving.



Q. Why Lensman will try to make so many bullshits ?

A. He tries to hide his scam, otherwise he wouldn't bother.



Q. Until what time will adult.com resolve on
Thieves.com?

A. Until they show the real stats and pay us all the difference they have stolen
from us.



Q. I have some information to add to this story. How do I proceed?

A. If you have hard evidence of adult.com's illegal activities, contact us,
we'll cover the cost of the lawsuit and all corresponding expenses.

[Spunky]

Originally posted by Ani D


It's no claim. I saw Lensman's posts that night, I saw my own posts, I saw mlin2's posts. I also say Lensman's posts deleted, my posts deleted, and some of mlin2's posts deleted. The fact that the thread is locked means nothing to you?

Your adult.com experience is totally valid. I ask you spunky1 to answer me this : Why isn't mlin2's experience just as valid?

All Sponsors have haters..some are cheaters,some break the rules,some people get banned from GFY.We are talking about $200 bucks .. If he was serious ,he would have a lawyer serving papers instead of crying to get attention.

[pink_in_the_middle]

Ani D pay no mind to spunky1, He speaks fluent ass

[Spunky]

Originally posted by pink_in_the_middle
Ani D pay no mind to spunky1, He speaks fluent ass

Blow me

[Ani D]

Originally posted by spunky1

All Sponsors have haters..some are cheaters,some break the rules,people get banned from GFY.We are talking about $200 bucks .. If he was serious ,he would have a lawyer serving papers instead of crying to get attention.

He said he was going to. I have yet to see a GFY lawsuit threat come to fruition, but who knows. I don't think this guy is someone to fuck over lightly.

If he does sue, his posts here and Lensman's LAME excuses will bolster his claim. If he means to sue, he made a brilliant move by coming here. A judge won't have the biases you have, he might actually care about credibility.

[Ani D]

Originally posted by pink_in_the_middle
Ani D pay no mind to spunky1, He speaks fluent ass

Oh man, I needed that.

[Amputate Your Head]

anidifranco, I thought you said a while ago you were leaving GFY.... and I also thought Lensman showed you the door. So the only question left is, who left the door open?

goodbye (again) skidmark.