how much should a TGP w/ 100k daily make? - GoFuckYourself.com

sickkittens · 01-01-2004, 07:00 PM

assuming all of the galleries are yours?

Juicy D. Links · 01-01-2004, 07:01 PM

5 dollars

- Jesus Christ - · 01-01-2004, 07:01 PM

$2 - $100

depending on the nich.... angle of the sun.... windspeed.... Traffic sources... ECT.

Pete · 01-01-2004, 07:01 PM

$9.95

JamesK · 01-01-2004, 07:02 PM

depends.

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Pete · 01-01-2004, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
$2 - $100

depending on the nich.... angle of the sun.... windspeed.... Traffic sources... ECT.

Not so much the angle of the sun but with extensive testing I have found that windspeed plays a crucial role in sales.

Brad Xtremepay · 01-01-2004, 07:05 PM

Depends... compltely depends.

sickkittens · 01-01-2004, 07:05 PM

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JamesK · 01-01-2004, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sickkittens
GFY is a valuable resource!

No. We actually all lied. Now you're gonna buy a 100k tgp and make 50 cents a day.

Quotealex · 01-01-2004, 07:13 PM

You could also lose money daily on a 100K TGP.

69pornlinks · 01-01-2004, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sickkittens
GFY is a valuable resource!

This is true

JamesK · 01-01-2004, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Alex from Montreal
You could also lose money daily on a 100K TGP.

Yeah, but that'd be hard. Unless it's a thumb tgp.

SomeCreep · 01-01-2004, 08:19 PM

That depends entirely on the quality of traffic. If it was 100K uniques all search engine traffic, you'd make a lot more than 100K uniques from CJ trades.

Brad Xtremepay · 01-01-2004, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SomeCreep
That depends entirely on the quality of traffic. If it was 100K uniques all search engine traffic, you'd make a lot more than 100K uniques from CJ trades.

Absolutely true. Also if it is thumb or text etc.
You will lose money on a pure thumb tgp fed on CJ traffic. ;)

$5 submissions · 01-01-2004, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SomeCreep
That depends entirely on the quality of traffic. If it was 100K uniques all search engine traffic, you'd make a lot more than 100K uniques from CJ trades.

True. Quality not necessarily quantity.

sandman! · 01-01-2004, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brad Xtremepay

Absolutely true. Also if it is thumb or text etc.
You will lose money on a pure thumb tgp fed on CJ traffic. ;)

You will never loose $$ on a 100k a day tgp.
There is allways something you can make $$$ from.

pussyluver · 01-01-2004, 09:01 PM

As some have pointed out, you can loose money on a 100K/per day TGP. Depends on the galleries, sponsors and the traffic of course. Is it niche, which niche.

I'd skip the thumbs, tried that. Think some must of done better with it. Shemp did thumbs. Well does both. If ya think about the elite of the elite, they're text for the most part.

If you're average, maybe you rake in $2K/month. If you're aggresive in some way, more (maybe way more). At a 100K visitors a month, you should be able to sell some gallery spots and banner space. The flip side, you could make $500. Takes a crystal ball to answer that one I think.

Have you ever read a thread where someone makes to thehun with no conversions. Just all bandwidth.

I look at a TGP as a traffic generator more than a source of revenue. Yep, I need the $ too. Only a few will make to the TGP elite status and make serious money at it.
Still TGP is an important part of the marketing mix right now.

Matt 26z · 01-01-2004, 10:35 PM

10k, 25k, 100k, 200k... Traffic numbers don't mean anything these days without more details, and even then it's very hard to say.

Take that 100k TGP and cut off all trades for a month or two. What do you have left? If you are the Hun, you still have 100% of your traffic. If you are some of these other TGP's, you have almost nothing left.

Point is, a TGP that relies on trades to get traffic through their site rests their income in the hands of other webmasters. ANYTHING can happen depending on who these webmasters are, who they do business with, and who those people do business with. Someone introduces shit traffic into the trading circle and everyone suffers.

Take two TGP's that are identical and feed the exact amount of traffic into them. One TGP gets trades from one group of TGP's, and the other TGP from a different group of TGP's.

The end result could be two very different bottom lines.

I personally think trading traffic is for the birds, and I opt to build over the long term for myself only.

sickkittens · 01-01-2004, 10:37 PM

more details:

your hosted galleries.
thumbs.
70% CJ, 20%bookmark, 10% SE

10k
25k
50k
100k
250k

extreme · 01-01-2004, 10:40 PM

found it to have a very close connection to what google queries I get hits for ... :]

Theo · 01-01-2004, 10:41 PM

only $2k?

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pussyluver · 01-01-2004, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sickkittens
more details:

your hosted galleries.
thumbs.
70% CJ, 20%bookmark, 10% SE

10k
25k
50k
100k
250k

Got me, think its still crystal ball stuf. Like Matt said, who ya trading with. SE traffic same thing. Different keywords bring different results. Someone searching for a narrow niche is more likely to convert.

The more ya do right, the better your chances, the more of a niche the better too.

I get the 2K$ as typical from my experience with my own TGPs and what others have said in other threads here and on other boards.

I do think that 250K visitors is going to be more than 2.5 times the profit unless you really work at screwing it up.

You could go out and buy that traffic for awhile to see how it feels and how you do? That might be a very good investment..

Choker has a list of traffic borkers: http://www.findtrades.com/accounts/i...action=brokers

You could try any amount per day. I'd say the absolute min to prove anything would be 10K/day - more would be better. I'd also try differnt brokers. Each has a different mix of traffic and varies day to day.

Don't think I've helped much. Good luck on your way to 100K or 250K.

Brad Xtremepay · 01-01-2004, 10:59 PM

Sick: If you have a 100k TGP and want some help getting it profitable.. hit me up. I'd be willing to give you a hand.

the Shemp · 01-01-2004, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sickkittens
assuming all of the galleries are yours?

thats a bad assumption for long term profitability, unless you're SleazyDream.

Jarmusch · 01-01-2004, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Matt 26z
I personally think trading traffic is for the birds, and I opt to build over the long term for myself only.

Couldn't agree more.

pussyluver · 01-01-2004, 11:09 PM

Hi Shemp, I think I proved your point. I have a number of TGPs and two databases. One is all my own stuff. There are a ton of reasons to have others posting. SEO, A wide selection of porn and style etc.

Somehow, I think if Sleazy where in the thread he'd call one of us an idiot though. LOL

pussyluver · 01-01-2004, 11:10 PM

forgot the most important point - productivity is way higher when you add others to the mix

slapass · 01-01-2004, 11:11 PM

10k a day of SE traffic is worth more then $2k/month.

the Shemp · 01-01-2004, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pussyluver
Hi Shemp, I think I proved your point. I have a number of TGPs and two databases. One is all my own stuff. There are a ton of reasons to have others posting. SEO, A wide selection of porn and style etc.

Somehow, I think if Sleazy where in the thread he'd call one of us an idiot though. LOL

The food banks are full of exTGPers that were millionaires in their own mind. Give the surfers some variety, put your own stuff in good spots, but dont rely 100% on hosted galleries

pussyluver · 01-01-2004, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by slapass
10k a day of SE traffic is worth more then $2k/month.

hard to get 10K per month of SE adult traffic unless you own a big keyword. That prolly means rolling the dice on refer bombs and cloaker etc.. Means risking a ban or penality by google I think. It certainly violates their TOS.

Other than that, I won't argue that 10K keyword visits should equal more than $2k

sickkittens · 01-01-2004, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by the Shemp

The food banks are full of exTGPers that were millionaires in their own mind. Give the surfers some variety, put your own stuff in good spots, but dont rely 100% on hosted galleries

Is it wise to make just the "favorite galleries" as the owners?

sickkittens · 01-01-2004, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pussyluver

hard to get 10K per month of SE adult traffic unless you own a big keyword. That prolly means rolling the dice on refer bombs and cloaker etc.. Means risking a ban or penality by google I think. It certainly violates their TOS.

Other than that, I won't argue that 10K keyword visits should equal more than $2k

But w/ 10k SE traffic a day would be wise to send it to something other than a TGP? Like a FPA or directly to a sponsor?

SomeCreep · 01-01-2004, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by the Shemp

The food banks are full of exTGPers that were millionaires in their own mind. Give the surfers some variety, put your own stuff in good spots, but dont rely 100% on hosted galleries

I agree, but how is it TGPs like JJJ's pornno.com are still able to keep surfers coming back with 100% hosted galleries? Do you think pornno.com is a TGP surviving off pure trades? (He's still in sextrackers top 10)

the Shemp · 01-01-2004, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sickkittens

Is it wise to make just the "favorite galleries" as the owners?

are the owners galleries sponsor hosted galleries, or actually your very own galleries from a site that you own?

pussyluver · 01-01-2004, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sickkittens

But w/ 10k SE traffic a day would be wise to send it to something other than a TGP? Like a FPA or directly to a sponsor?

How would you get the 10K SE traffic with just a redirect or FPA? Not gonna happen.

TGPs can earn SE traffic with multiple pages each supporting a different phrase. It's easier to get a higher Google PR rating with a TGP than something behind an adult check like a pay site. Always exceptions to the rule.

the Shemp · 01-01-2004, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SomeCreep

I agree, but how is it TGPs like JJJ's pornno.com are still able to keep surfers coming back with 100% hosted galleries? Do you think pornno.com is a TGP surviving off pure trades? (He's still in sextrackers top 10)

JJJ's site had 5 really solid years prior to the influx of the sponsor hosted galleries, plus he has strong trades and a reputation that no newbie will get in the short term.

Pornwolf · 01-01-2004, 11:52 PM

Hi Shemp, I think I proved your point. I have a number of TGPs and two databases. One is all my own stuff. There are a ton of reasons to have others posting. SEO, A wide selection of porn and style etc.

Somehow, I think if Sleazy where in the thread he'd call one of us an idiot though. LOL

pussyluver · 01-01-2004, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SomeCreep

I agree, but how is it TGPs like JJJ's pornno.com are still able to keep surfers coming back with 100% hosted galleries? Do you think pornno.com is a TGP surviving off pure trades? (He's still in sextrackers top 10)

JJJ has been around for awhile and I THINK the rules are different if you've been doing this since the 90s. Would thehun make it if he started today? Better put, would thehun look the same with the same biz plan?

I think JJJ has tons of bookmark traffic. I don't know for sure how he does it.

I think many of the hosted galleries get worn out fast. Plus, not all of them are that great!!

Sure would like to hear what JJJ has to say about it.

the Shemp · 01-01-2004, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pornwolf
Hi Shemp, I think I proved your point. I have a number of TGPs and two databases. One is all my own stuff. There are a ton of reasons to have others posting. SEO, A wide selection of porn and style etc.

Somehow, I think if Sleazy where in the thread he'd call one of us an idiot though. LOL

i swear i read this before somewhere??

pussyluver · 01-01-2004, 11:56 PM

Maybe pornworf was trying quote me?

pussyluver · 01-02-2004, 12:01 AM

seems like there is a set of Elite TGPs - PK, Elephant, Shemp, thehun, JJJ, Tommy's, World and so on. They support each other for the most part. Appears hard to break in to those real big numbers.

Can anyone name a TGP that really competes with the legends that started after say 2000?

Pornwolf · 01-02-2004, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pussyluver
Maybe pornworf was trying quote me?

No, this is a quote.

pussyluver · 01-02-2004, 12:02 AM

89.com - don't remember seeing them around early on? Maybe I just missed them?

Some have faded it seems - pure-xtc for example

Pornwolf · 01-02-2004, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pussyluver
seems like there is a set of Elite TGPs - PK, Elephant, Shemp, thehun, JJJ, Tommy's, World and so on. They support each other for the most part. Appears hard to break in to those real big numbers.

Can anyone name a TGP that really competes with the legends that started after say 2000?

The big man, Sleazydream.

pussyluver · 01-02-2004, 12:05 AM

He's an exception to everything - has done well for sure - sells every pixel on his site I'd bet. Plus ya gotta pay him to wear your free T-Shirt

beemk · 01-02-2004, 12:46 AM

depends on too many different things

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pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	As some have pointed out, you can loose money on a 100K/per day TGP. Depends on the galleries, sponsors and the traffic of course. Is it niche, which niche. I'd skip the thumbs, tried that. Think some must of done better with it. Shemp did thumbs. Well does both. If ya think about the elite of the elite, they're text for the most part. If you're average, maybe you rake in $2K/month. If you're aggresive in some way, more (maybe way more). At a 100K visitors a month, you should be able to sell some gallery spots and banner space. The flip side, you could make $500. Takes a crystal ball to answer that one I think. Have you ever read a thread where someone makes to thehun with no conversions. Just all bandwidth. I look at a TGP as a traffic generator more than a source of revenue. Yep, I need the $ too. Only a few will make to the TGP elite status and make serious money at it. Still TGP is an important part of the marketing mix right now.

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Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	10k, 25k, 100k, 200k... Traffic numbers don't mean anything these days without more details, and even then it's very hard to say. Take that 100k TGP and cut off all trades for a month or two. What do you have left? If you are the Hun, you still have 100% of your traffic. If you are some of these other TGP's, you have almost nothing left. Point is, a TGP that relies on trades to get traffic through their site rests their income in the hands of other webmasters. ANYTHING can happen depending on who these webmasters are, who they do business with, and who those people do business with. Someone introduces shit traffic into the trading circle and everyone suffers. Take two TGP's that are identical and feed the exact amount of traffic into them. One TGP gets trades from one group of TGP's, and the other TGP from a different group of TGP's. The end result could be two very different bottom lines. I personally think trading traffic is for the birds, and I opt to build over the long term for myself only.

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pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	Hi Shemp, I think I proved your point. I have a number of TGPs and two databases. One is all my own stuff. There are a ton of reasons to have others posting. SEO, A wide selection of porn and style etc. Somehow, I think if Sleazy where in the thread he'd call one of us an idiot though. LOL

01-01-2004, 11:10 PM	#31
pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	forgot the most important point - productivity is way higher when you add others to the mix

01-01-2004, 11:11 PM	#32
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,625	10k a day of SE traffic is worth more then $2k/month.

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pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	Maybe pornworf was trying quote me?

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pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	seems like there is a set of Elite TGPs - PK, Elephant, Shemp, thehun, JJJ, Tommy's, World and so on. They support each other for the most part. Appears hard to break in to those real big numbers. Can anyone name a TGP that really competes with the legends that started after say 2000?

01-02-2004, 12:02 AM	#47
pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	89.com - don't remember seeing them around early on? Maybe I just missed them? Some have faded it seems - pure-xtc for example

01-02-2004, 12:05 AM	#49
pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	He's an exception to everything - has done well for sure - sells every pixel on his site I'd bet. Plus ya gotta pay him to wear your free T-Shirt

01-02-2004, 12:46 AM	#50
beemk CLICK HERE Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 20,829	depends on too many different things __________________ I host with Vacares