Hrm... So is it that the movies were straight up stolen? Or is it that middle men and adult legal never told the producer how many sites the content could end up on?

I guess what I am asking is whether the problem is in people just stealing movies and putting them in the site or if it is that they buy one licence to a movie and make a shitload of AVS site and spread them out on a shit load of domains?

Or is it both?

Yep already heard about this a few days ago.

We got your back Jules!:thumbsup

"cutting edge of legal misadventure"

I got your cutting edge right here pal!:ak47:

Sock it to em'!

jules jordan:thumbsup

no - in this case - it's just outright theft. Jules Jordan nor Evil Angel do any licensing of any kind.

the AVS thing is another issue.

Thanks for the answer!

Personally I don't get the problem with AVS that you mention, if you licence it for your site and your selling your 1 site deluxepass (which is a large bunch of sites) then you give your affilates some content to promote it whats wrong with that, its the same as a paysite owner running an affialte program with a bunch of sites and giving out free promo content. As far as it goes, the licences are for unlimited domain licences, some are brought direct from RedlightD who know exactly whats going on. If they know whats going on and know about deluxepass then others will surely know, they are the best series that Adultlegal have.

And yes AB is so guilty of copyright infringement in this case, I remember Rami's movie archive 6 months ago had some of Jules Joran Flesh hunter movies in it, they were in the same site as some cleanly unlicenced "Girls gone wild" movies. Serious copyright infringement these AB people are just nuts. They have that much money and don't go 100% legit. They will certainly get hit hard by this lawsuit cause they are so guilty.

Copyright movie infringement needs to stop in this industry and this is a good step in the right direction, good luck Jules.

You don't 'get the problem' because you don't want to get it.

Why do you think web companies come to me and other people selling custom content and pay alot of money for exclusive movies and photos? One of the reasons is so they can LEGALLY give their affiliates that content to promote their websites. Get real here son.

Do you honestly think that when you license content from Paul Markham, AMA Content, MatrixContent and a hundred others that YOU have been granted the right to GIVE that content away to affiliates to use to promote your and in an AVS systems case, the affiliates' sites? No - EVERY web content license includes language to cover that. IF you want to use the content in ANY other way you must go to the content provider and negotiate with them and PAY them what they want for that usage. Why do you think you don't see ALL the AVS systems giving away all this free content? Because they all know they have no right to do what AB and DP do. And as for AdultLegal, they let it happen - a broker doesn't give a shit about anything but making a sale.

As for Redlight District, I spoke to Dion Giarussi a year ago, he had NO idea, had NEVER been informed by anybody what an AVS is, how his content was being used - I showed him hundreds of AVS sites belonging to AB and DP, sites not owned by AB and DP, but by affiliates totally built around Redlight content. There are hundreds of people who are very lucky Dion is not of the same mindset as Jules Jordan.

Don't talk about what you don't know about - http://www.redlightrevenue.com - go to the bottom of the page -
I am familiar with Redlight and consider them friends.

It's possible that Redlight has given some people the okay on certain extended uses, I know they are contacted alot by people - I don't speak about what I don't know about. I do know I told them that the usage DP and others have undertaken with the content is worth at least the raw cost of producing an exclusive video. I have a new customer who now buys exclusive videos from me because 1)he wants to be able to do what he wants with his content 2) the Redlight content gets so overexposed so quickly it doesn't convert.

Redlight hasn't seen a fraction of what that content is worth. And you know it. And AdultLegal knows it. And AdultBouncer knows it. And DeluxePass knows it.

Seems to me Dion doesn't seem to give too much of a shit. This guy is losing millions the way AL enforces his license.

Also now Zero Tolerance license their movies via AL so their stuff too will be all over 5.000+ websites in around 6-8 weeks.

Someone bump this thread with the outcome of the case when it is brought to resolution.

50 lawsuits :glugglug

And Adult Check thought they could tell a judge it was not their concern that they were making money from stolen content. These guys are idiots who think they are on the Internet and it's all free, public domain or they do not have to contol their affiliates, even after they are told of the infringement.

APIC was finding stolen stuff on AVS sites all the time. People stelaing members from legitimate sites and effecting every ones income.

Well done Jules, bankrupt them.

Also rewmeber the way AC dealt with their sponsors, just stealing the rebill money. This is the way these people think.

I am careful never to speak on behalf of Dion or Redlight. I know how much their content is worth and how bad they've been raped by asswipes. That's all I ever tell them, that their stuff is gold and they should be sharing in the millions of dollars their content has brought AB and DP and others - not penny ante $186 dollar web licenses which they only receive a portion of.

I've spoken to ZeroTolerance. They know what's going on I hope. What they do is up to them.

Very smart Mutt. I saw AB ads on the front for 3 years at avn. maybe the last month or two havn't had. I never mention that. I respect the studio companies and seeing that everyday on the front page of avn was like a slap in the face.

RLD make millions with their offline business, I don't understand why they're blind to the fact they're losing out on the other part of the pie. Also I recall one of their guys posting on a forum some 3-4 months ago saying that they then ceased licensing any new titles. Good idea but it seems that never happend though.

If RLD and Zero Tolerance stopped all their web licensing and no substitutes came along, that's what would be interesting to watch. These ridiculous little lawsuits do no harm.

I've talked to alot of webmasters and web companies - they say they'd be happy to pay substantially more for Redlight content if it was controlled and not so overexposed via the AVS systems.

AB's problems with copyright issues are well documented. Look at the thread re weblegal and AB.

Hopefully this will settle... most lawsuits settle.

*bump*


:thumbsup

Just wanted to give everyone an update. Titan Media (gay adult studio) has also filed suit against adultbouncer.com.

We are preparing for war against these guys and wont be stopped until they are held accountable to the fullest extent of the law, we are gathering more and more evidence daily. Hopefully this case will put a dent in the huge problem of internet copyright infringement on the internet.
:ak47:

funny to find you posting here in a lawsuit thread you thieven scammer ! :321GFY this is freakfish in case anybody did not know....

Glad to see you going after the infringers Jules Jordan , I hope somebody starts to catch the thieving bastards in the industry a lot more!!!:thumbsup

Who is Jules Jordan?

Great going Jules.







Do you play poker at all by chance?

http://www.julesjordan.com/page2.php?node=biography.php ...? He's elite.

One of Top 5 directors in adult

Excellent. Good luck to you guys !!

thanks for the support guys, I will surely keep you updated.....

go for the jugular Jules! :thumbsup


Bouncer and DeluxePass get most of the negative attention when it comes to stolen content but there's another AVS which I'm beginning to realize is probably just as bad when it comes to profiting off stolen content - ProAdult.


u shot Teagan yet Jules?

Dion is a true player. He created nothing into something and Red Light will be here 5 years from now with the likes of hustler, vivid, adam&eve, pornstar2pac productions and more.....:thumbsup

thanks for the update
very interesting

Dion is retired. His brother runs RLD now. But i bet he'll be back on top sometime in the near future.

Jules Jordan makes the best porn out there! So I support him :)

GO GET THEM!!

Last i heard was that AB bought RLD from a comapny named KTel (SP?) located in ontario.

RLD Settled with AB and both of them are suing Ktel. I'm not saying AB is in the right as they have plenty of stolen content.

I wonder what the settlement was

... they'll settle over an undisclosed amount. case closed.

Hey Jules, I tried emailing your web guys 2-3 times in the past for your affiliate program info. are you going to come out with it? I got your kinda traffic...the good kind.

huh?

Hey guys, i'm pleased to announce that we have a court date set of: February 1, 2005. We are moving full steam ahead and will be smooth sailing :thumbsup

good luck, should be interesting . . . . what court location?

Hi Mutt obviously there is something wrong with my ICQ. I´m typing like hell but seems that you didn´t get my messages.