Ibill and CCbill conversion rates - GoFuckYourself.com

maxxxxx · 09-14-2003, 03:36 AM

Just wondering about the experiences of other webmasters promoting sites using these two billing companies. I'm an affiliate for a set of websites that are offering both options, and I have affiliate accounts for both. On my sites I have spread the affiliate codes randomly, with the following result:

The Ibill affiliate code gives me a conversion rate of 1:185
The CCBill affiliate code so fas has 0:3350 !

This makes me wonder what's the amount of credit cards that CCBill is refusing for "security reasons". Or are they shaving that badly??

09-14-2003, 03:41 AM

CCBill is an awesome company with great conversion rates. The question lies in which programs you are using, how the traffic is sent and whether or not the content is overused. If you are having problems converting, contact the company you are advertising for and ask them for some suggestions.

NetRodent · 09-14-2003, 03:45 AM

If the programs offer both options, switch the iBill links with the CCBill links to see how you do then.

In our own experience iBill does about 10-15% better than CCBill.

maxxxxx · 09-14-2003, 03:45 AM

Yes, I actually have to say that I like CCBill a lot, never had problems with them. Now just wondering a bit though. This is not a question of how the traffic is sent or of overused content. As I said, the links are spread randomly, so why does IBill give me far better conversions?

Calvinguy · 09-14-2003, 05:22 AM

I use both processors on my sites and have better conversions with IBill

spooky181 · 09-14-2003, 05:22 AM

The moment I switched from CCbill to Verotel my C/R jumped through the rooof. No more scrub a dub dub.

Spooky

Calvinguy · 09-14-2003, 05:31 AM

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Originally posted by spooky181
The moment I switched from CCbill to Verotel my C/R jumped through the rooof. No more scrub a dub dub.

Spooky

Probably also your (C)hargeback/R(atio) ...

spooky181 · 09-14-2003, 05:37 AM

What's a chargeback??

Spooky

okdesign · 09-14-2003, 06:39 AM

ccbill sponsors are converting great for me

scooby doo as scooby does · 09-14-2003, 07:03 AM

Love CCBill, but gotta admit, I am getting way more declines than ever with them. Scrub is set really high I think.

plexer · 09-14-2003, 09:09 AM

Hay maxxxxx, Hit me up ICQ when you get a chance. Got some questions for yaaa..

Thanks...

ICQ: 276658259

Cindyff · 09-14-2003, 09:32 AM

Same here CCbill and Epoch have high scrub rates but at least no CBs

Cindy xx

DatingGold · 09-14-2003, 01:23 PM

I think CCbill scrubs harder than ibill..

which could be good or bad depending on your CB rate

Anna_O · 09-14-2003, 01:27 PM

CCBill sites have been really bad converters for us since early August... Until then convertions were great.

maxxxxx · 09-14-2003, 01:46 PM

Same here. August was bad, but in September conversion rates for all my CCBill sites have been a joke. Pretty bad one though...

Que? · 09-14-2003, 01:48 PM

Sometime in august the ccbill conversions took a bit of a dive....

Anna_O · 09-14-2003, 02:05 PM

Total conversions for CCBill sponsors in september: 1:1074

Total in July: 1:599

Smurfette · 09-14-2003, 02:13 PM

I like CCBill but I've also been noticing the same thing, CCBill conversions are way down

corvette · 09-14-2003, 02:30 PM

worth checking out, can somebody icq me the specific sponsor ids or sponsor names and your affiliate id?

45471840

jeroman · 09-14-2003, 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by corvett
worth checking out, can somebody icq me the specific sponsor ids or sponsor names and your affiliate id?

45471840

Yes please let us all know if you have changed your security
settings after the latest VISA/MC shit.

Facts please, we will understand, come on now...

corvette · 09-14-2003, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jeroman

Yes please let us all know if you have changed your security
settings after the latest VISA/MC shit.

Facts please, we will understand, come on now...

i can look at it, no problem

icq me with the program id and your affiliate id

rpet · 09-14-2003, 05:20 PM

I use to use ibill back in the day. It seems like my conversion ratios where better. I use ccbill now , and chargebacks are literally like non-exsistant. With both processors check returns where crazy so i stopped taking checks period!! I am tempted to switch to ibill for a few weeks just to see how it looks however I am having remember having nightmares dealing with their tech support, customer service, and their cmi interface... so I think I will stick with ccbill, I never have any problems and they are usually more than helpfull...

One.
Rpet

ryph · 09-14-2003, 05:40 PM

I'm preety sure maxcash use ccbill. I usually do preety descent with them, but this month is seriously off.

Replaced a few of their ads today since they weren't showing any sign of coming around this month.

stocktrader23 · 09-14-2003, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by corvett

i can look at it, no problem

icq me with the program id and your affiliate id

I mentioned this several times before and you told me that the scrub isn't adjusted like that.

My conversions went from 1:60 to zip in a week. I pulled my ppc se ads because of it.

CC · 09-14-2003, 06:06 PM

We use both CCBill and iBill. CCbill definitely has lower conversions, but we continue to use them because we think they are a good, solid (as solid as possible) company and we don't want to put all of our eggs into 1 scary iBill basket.

corvette · 09-14-2003, 06:19 PM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23

I mentioned this several times before and you told me that the scrub isn't adjusted like that.

My conversions went from 1:60 to zip in a week. I pulled my ppc se ads because of it.

stocktrader23, if I had specific program information, then I could check it out to see if there anything strange with that program. Maybe the owner changed their signup page or their custom setup recently, I don?t know?I want to check the stats of the account to see if there is anything peculiar over the past few months?

Globally, we are not seeing anything strange or unexpected

As far as scrub goes, we scrub credit cards to prevent risky transactions from going through, and imo, it works very well in the reduction of chargebacks. We are all on the same team here; we all want good transactions to come through our system.

But like I said, if anybody sends me the info, I will be happy to look at it?I still don?t have anything in front of me

PerfectionGirls · 09-14-2003, 06:37 PM

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worth checking out, can somebody icq me the specific sponsor ids or sponsor names and your affiliate id?

Hey.. its not a specific program... it seems ot be acrossed the board. We have about 25 ccbill sponsors as well as our own paysites. We are getting about 50% of our confirmation emails coming back as declines. I times past we might get one or two declines a week. The funny thing is... I can get 30 decline emails a day and when I check the "Decline" stats in the ccbill admin it shows just a couple.

Its not due to our chargeback ratio.. ours is well under the 1% The trend has been that a good week or day is followed be a slower day. Once our sales reach a certain mark above our daily avarage the next week or day is folllowed by a day that balances our avarage back out. Its a trend that we have followed now for about three months and it seems to be holding true. There has been growth, but not at the rate our traffic and sites have increased.

We are on the phone all day, everyday with webmasters. The people in this thread are not the only one experiencing this intense scrubbing. We understand why you have to do it of course.... but its got to the point where it is very noticable.

We understand that you might need some checks and balances, but I also think it is important that you let your webmasters in on them. Help us understand.

corvette · 09-14-2003, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PerfectionGirls

Hey.. its not a specific program... it seems to be acrossed the board. We have about 25 ccbill sponsors as well as our own paysites. We are getting about 50% of our confirmation emails coming back as declines. I times past we might get one or two declines a week. The funny thing is... I can get 30 decline emails a day and when I check the "Decline" stats in the ccbill admin it shows just a couple.

Its not due to our chargeback ratio.. ours is well under the 1% The trend has been that a good week or day is followed be a slower day. Once our sales reach a certain mark above our daily avarage the next week or day is folllowed by a day that balances our avarage back out. Its a trend that we have followed now for about three months and it seems to be holding true. There has been growth, but not at the rate our traffic and sites have increased.

We are on the phone all day, everyday with webmasters. The people in this thread are not the only one experiencing this intense scrubbing. We understand why you have to do it of course.... but its got to the point where it is very noticable.

We understand that you might need some checks and balances, but I also think it is important that you let your webmasters in on them. Help us understand.

Jeff, icq me with an example. I can run reports on all sorts of things

Matt_WildCash · 09-14-2003, 06:51 PM

We have also noticed your great day, bad day, great day average day, bad day great day. One day we do twice the signups of the day before with the same traffic, next day we do half those signups. We have talked about it and we really think it has to do with scurbbing. Certainly noticeable. We don't use ccbill, we use epoch though

slapass · 09-14-2003, 06:58 PM

my ccbill sponsors are all sucking and I pulled lots of them.
I did not know maxcash used them. Any other big sponsor use ccbill?

LiLi · 09-14-2003, 07:24 PM

2 month ago trafficcash was my 1st sponsor ( i was on the 27th webmasters top) with a conversion ratio 1:50 / 1:60 well since they turn from ibill to ccbill the ratio its a joke ... 1:500 / 1:600 ... obviusly i have droped their links...

what programs are actually using ibill with trials around 2$? im looking to try new things...

CashGordon · 09-14-2003, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LiLi
2 month ago trafficcash was my 1st sponsor ( i was on the 27th webmasters top) with a conversion ratio 1:50 / 1:60 well since they turn from ibill to ccbill the ratio its a joke ... 1:500 / 1:600 ... obviusly i have droped their links...

what programs are actually using ibill with trials around 2$? im looking to try new things...

We do

chowda · 09-14-2003, 07:37 PM

i did better with ibill. but that could be me.

plexer · 09-14-2003, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chowda

i did better with ibill. but that could be me.

That's a great way to put it!

09-14-2003, 03:36 AM	#1
maxxxxx Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 646	Ibill and CCbill conversion rates Just wondering about the experiences of other webmasters promoting sites using these two billing companies. I'm an affiliate for a set of websites that are offering both options, and I have affiliate accounts for both. On my sites I have spread the affiliate codes randomly, with the following result: The Ibill affiliate code gives me a conversion rate of 1:185 The CCBill affiliate code so fas has 0:3350 ! This makes me wonder what's the amount of credit cards that CCBill is refusing for "security reasons". Or are they shaving that badly?? __________________ **Teen Harbour** - Home of Little Caprice ------------------------------------------------------------------- In a perfect world... spammers would get caught, go to jail, and share a cell with many men who have enlarged their penisses, taken Viagra and are looking for a new relationship.

09-14-2003, 03:45 AM	#3
NetRodent Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: In the walls of your house. Posts: 3,985	If the programs offer both options, switch the iBill links with the CCBill links to see how you do then. In our own experience iBill does about 10-15% better than CCBill. __________________ "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." --H.L. Mencken

09-14-2003, 03:45 AM	#4
maxxxxx Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 646	Yes, I actually have to say that I like CCBill a lot, never had problems with them. Now just wondering a bit though. This is not a question of how the traffic is sent or of overused content. As I said, the links are spread randomly, so why does IBill give me far better conversions? __________________ **Teen Harbour** - Home of Little Caprice ------------------------------------------------------------------- In a perfect world... spammers would get caught, go to jail, and share a cell with many men who have enlarged their penisses, taken Viagra and are looking for a new relationship.

09-14-2003, 06:39 AM	#9
okdesign ICQ 278367136 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 24,773	ccbill sponsors are converting great for me __________________ Webmasters, Come here for SUPER BIG TITS Highest Conversions, Highest Retention!

09-14-2003, 07:03 AM	#10
scooby doo as scooby does Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: A deep dark place. Posts: 314	Love CCBill, but gotta admit, I am getting way more declines than ever with them. Scrub is set really high I think. __________________ In 1904, Charles Newman-Berry connected two abacus's together using specially enhanced GrapeVine thus inventing the first Internet connection. NEWMAN-BERRY CASH Paying webmaster since 1904

09-14-2003, 03:41 AM	#2
shermo Guest Posts: n/a	CCBill is an awesome company with great conversion rates. The question lies in which programs you are using, how the traffic is sent and whether or not the content is overused. If you are having problems converting, contact the company you are advertising for and ask them for some suggestions.

09-14-2003, 05:22 AM	#5
Calvinguy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: European Union Posts: 1,752	I use both processors on my sites and have better conversions with IBill

09-14-2003, 05:22 AM	#6
spooky181 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: back of beyond Posts: 2,951	The moment I switched from CCbill to Verotel my C/R jumped through the rooof. No more scrub a dub dub. Spooky

09-14-2003, 05:37 AM	#8
spooky181 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: back of beyond Posts: 2,951	What's a chargeback?? Spooky

09-14-2003, 09:09 AM	#11
plexer Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NJ/AZ Posts: 1,339	Hay maxxxxx, Hit me up ICQ when you get a chance. Got some questions for yaaa.. Thanks... ICQ: 276658259 __________________ I'M FREEEEE!!!!

09-14-2003, 09:32 AM	#12
Cindyff Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California Posts: 1,187	Same here CCbill and Epoch have high scrub rates but at least no CBs Cindy xx

09-14-2003, 01:23 PM	#13
DatingGold $6 PER EMAIL JOiN Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: California Posts: 13,185	I think CCbill scrubs harder than ibill.. which could be good or bad depending on your CB rate __________________ 9 Years of SOLID payouts and conversions! ADULT DATING - $100 PPS LIVE CAMS - $214 PPS WWW.DATINGGOLD.COM ICQ: 27442303

09-14-2003, 01:27 PM	#14
Anna_O Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 5,773	CCBill sites have been really bad converters for us since early August... Until then convertions were great. __________________ Fetish by Anna Paysite - Nylons Bondage Latex Lesbians Glamour Annas Dungeon - 70k / day Fetish TGP ICQ 246797915

09-14-2003, 01:46 PM	#15
maxxxxx Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 646	Same here. August was bad, but in September conversion rates for all my CCBill sites have been a joke. Pretty bad one though... __________________ **Teen Harbour** - Home of Little Caprice ------------------------------------------------------------------- In a perfect world... spammers would get caught, go to jail, and share a cell with many men who have enlarged their penisses, taken Viagra and are looking for a new relationship.

09-14-2003, 01:48 PM	#16
Que? Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 340	Sometime in august the ccbill conversions took a bit of a dive.... __________________ Send ccia out to deep space:<br> Donate to <a href="http://www.impai.org/">IMPA</a>

09-14-2003, 02:05 PM	#17
Anna_O Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 5,773	Total conversions for CCBill sponsors in september: 1:1074 Total in July: 1:599 __________________ Fetish by Anna Paysite - Nylons Bondage Latex Lesbians Glamour Annas Dungeon - 70k / day Fetish TGP ICQ 246797915

09-14-2003, 02:13 PM	#18
Smurfette Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: A little place on the ROCK! Posts: 542	I like CCBill but I've also been noticing the same thing, CCBill conversions are way down

09-14-2003, 02:30 PM	#19
corvette Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: scottsdale Posts: 7,880	worth checking out, can somebody icq me the specific sponsor ids or sponsor names and your affiliate id? 45471840 __________________ If you need a good company for check writing services, then check out checkissuing, and for webhosting, check out Phoenix NAP

09-14-2003, 05:20 PM	#22
rpet Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: New York Posts: 537	I use to use ibill back in the day. It seems like my conversion ratios where better. I use ccbill now , and chargebacks are literally like non-exsistant. With both processors check returns where crazy so i stopped taking checks period!! I am tempted to switch to ibill for a few weeks just to see how it looks however I am having remember having nightmares dealing with their tech support, customer service, and their cmi interface... so I think I will stick with ccbill, I never have any problems and they are usually more than helpfull... One. Rpet __________________ sig too big

09-14-2003, 05:40 PM	#23
ryph Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 1,215	I'm preety sure maxcash use ccbill. I usually do preety descent with them, but this month is seriously off. Replaced a few of their ads today since they weren't showing any sign of coming around this month.

09-14-2003, 06:06 PM	#25
CC Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,690	We use both CCBill and iBill. CCbill definitely has lower conversions, but we continue to use them because we think they are a good, solid (as solid as possible) company and we don't want to put all of our eggs into 1 scary iBill basket.

09-14-2003, 06:51 PM	#29
Matt_WildCash Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,699	We have also noticed your great day, bad day, great day average day, bad day great day. One day we do twice the signups of the day before with the same traffic, next day we do half those signups. We have talked about it and we really think it has to do with scurbbing. Certainly noticeable. We don't use ccbill, we use epoch though

09-14-2003, 06:58 PM	#30
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,625	my ccbill sponsors are all sucking and I pulled lots of them. I did not know maxcash used them. Any other big sponsor use ccbill?

09-14-2003, 07:24 PM	#31
LiLi Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 223	2 month ago trafficcash was my 1st sponsor ( i was on the 27th webmasters top) with a conversion ratio 1:50 / 1:60 well since they turn from ibill to ccbill the ratio its a joke ... 1:500 / 1:600 ... obviusly i have droped their links... what programs are actually using ibill with trials around 2$? im looking to try new things... Last edited by LiLi; 09-14-2003 at 07:26 PM..

09-14-2003, 07:37 PM	#33
chowda Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Gooch city Posts: 9,527	i did better with ibill. but that could be me. __________________ Someone finds you... 2007 PS: Nationalnet is the best host I've ever had. And i tried alot of them.