You disagree because you are not an American and do not understand the American psychic. Remember you are the one that could not understand why Americans get so upset about the desecration of the Flag...and rave about being patriotic. Of course when I say "Americans" I am referring to the majority not the entire population.

Joe,

Why is it you claim to so easily see the propaganda of others but not that on yourself? Muslim countries bailed out on a number of agreements and proposed agreements with the US in the 1950's. Only in 1967 did the US become a strong military supporter of Israel. The number one exporters of weapons to Israel prior to that were France and the USSR. The Soviets supplied Israel in 1948. The French and British fought with Israel in 1956.

In fact, Muslim countries ditched on the US under the influences and promises of the Soviet Union and Nasser long before US military support of Israel.

What your claiming is just propaganda started by Nasser. It filled the radio airwaves in the Middle East. It has continued as a popular view to this day.

You are missing the point anyway.

I'm not talking about fighting or being prepared to die for something. I am talking about someone who actively WANTS to die for Allah. This is different territory altogether.

Would love to continue but it's late here and I'm tired and am going to bed.

Later all.

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I am not missing your point. My point is...if they keep attacking the US and specifically if they were to detonate a nuke in a US city...we will actively oblige those that WANT to die (and many that do not want to die) on a massive scale...and in turn will be more than willing to sacrifice our own lives if need be.

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i really don't know any american extremists that would dress up in c4 and ball bearings and march into muslim countries in the name of our people.

these fanatics are methodical and worst of all they don't give a fuck. that is definately not the personality type you want to be fucking with.

no matter how sophisticated we as a people become, their low-tech, run-planes-into-buildings, human-bomb mentality will win in its simplicity. i think our strategy against these people needs to change or we aren't going to win.

Enlighten us with the "strategy" you would employ?

Would we really want to deal with the aftermath of a suitcase nuke scenario? Wouldn't it be much better to prevent it in the first place? To prevent such a scenario I think some questions would need to be asked? Where would such a nuke be likely to come from? How would it be likely to get into the hands of someone who would use it against the US? How can you prevent this nuke coming from this place and getting into the hands of these people? I think what you would end up with is a list of countries that you could call hmm... an "axis of evil" we'll say and plans for dealing with each one.

Prevention is much better than cure!

thats 50 folks!

Instead of bombing runs, we should be airlifting "pornographic propaganda".

Just drop about a million little flyers that had some nudie pics and tried to convince them that their radical bullshit isn't worth it!

Although they are promised hundreds of virgins if they die as a martyr so we might need to do something more persuasive!

Before Sept. 11th, no American would have believed it would be possible to hijack 4 planes and coordinate such an attack. As far fetched as a suitcase bomb or some form of Bio terrorist attack WILL happen at some point.

I agree, being proactive about it makes us look like assholes, but we might just be saving our own asses. Too bad you can't prove a negative.

just a back to basics approach. we are using all these advanced technologies - using a rocket launcher to kill a fly.

i saw this video of an a10 in afghanistan dropping like 50k worth of bombs chasing after one person. it doesn't seem incredibly effective.

these people don't give a fuck about dying - we need to find out what they do give a fuck about and target that.

People are pretty much the same everywhere. It's the neighbors, circumstances, frames of reference and other accidents of birth that change.

You're the second person today to say we should
bomb heaven

I agree that being proactive is a better policy than being reactive.

Actually these threats came from al Qaeda and warned of events that would make 911 seem small. Osama had also issued a similar warning 3 weeks before 911.

Oh, I wondered why your ass pic in another thread looked familiar..

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